TT-SEA Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 Nah, out there in the rain forest as well. Palmer had a stretch of 59/68 days without rain from July 30 to October 5 in 1993. Backloaded summer Yes... I said June and July were very wet and cool. The percentage was WAY less than 85% for a good part of meteorological summer. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 159 years ago yesterday was the mega solar storm known as the Carrington Event.http://www.spaceweather.com/Today we're the complete opposite with no sunspots. 136 day and counting with no sunspots this year. Then 2 years later was an epic, kick-a** winter. Quote "Avoiding unwanted weather is a key element of happiness." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 Yes... I said June and July were very wet and cool. The percentage was WAY less than 85% for a good part of meteorological summer. Doesn't matter, a bone dry and persistently sunny September will obviously still feel like a part of summer. I don't think people were downgrading the winter of 1985-86 because much of the action fell outside of meteorological winter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 Doesn't matter, a bone dry and persistently sunny September will obviously still feel like a part of summer. I don't think people were downgrading the winter of 1985-86 because much of the action fell outside of meteorological winter.No... the second part of September never feels like summer due to the sun angle. You cannot beat a warm and sunny June and July. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 No... the second part of September never feels like summer due to the sun angle. You cannot beat a warm and sunny June and July. The second half of June never feels like spring because of the sun angle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Coming back from Snoqualmie about 15 minutes ago... elk along highway right before you come into North Bend. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 The second half of June never feels like spring because of the sun angle.Sure as hell does when its frickin dark all day. We experienced it first hand for a week at the end of June. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Sure as hell does when its frickin dark all day. We experienced it first hand for a week at the end of June. The clouds are still wispy and the daylight is long. 54 degree rain at the end of June truly feels more summer like than 94 degree sun at the end of September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 The clouds are still wispy and the daylight is long. 54 degree rain at the end of June truly feels more summer like than 94 degree sun at the end of September.Wispy... sure! Cold rain and dark skies at the end of June feels like being robbed. Same weather as we have in January and February with twice as long daylight. Stupid. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherArchive Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Why is it even though we are a coastal climate we DON'T get much rain in the summer while places like Christchurch get scattered storms or even England can have "washout" summers ruining BBQ parties and sunbathing. We don't get these so called "washout" summers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherArchive Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Need some volcanic assistance for 1983 and 1993. And in June and July of those years... it was more like 20% of the days being warm and dry up here. 85% would be perfect. 20%... not so much. And 2010 had that lovely streak of 32 days in a row with rain in May and June. Miserable here. I would never complain about 85% of the days being warm and dry.Good for you as not everyone is like you not having asthma. Once the wildfires and smoke starts the fun is done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Good for you as not everyone is like you not having asthma. Once the wildfires and smoke starts the fun is done.Yep... I hate the smoke too. Although it was a permenant part of PNW summers for thousands of years until we started major fire supression about 80 years ago. We need a good rain once a week. Not rain for 80% of July like we had in 1993. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverIslandSouth Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Why is it even though we are a coastal climate we DON'T get much rain in the summer while places like Christchurch get scattered storms or even England can have "washout" summers ruining BBQ parties and sunbathing. We don't get these so called "washout" summers. The comparison with Western Europe is pretty interesting. Many PNW cities receive more annual precip than those in Western Europe but ours is heavily skewed toward the fall/winter while theirs is almost evenly distributed throughout the year. I think it has to do with the configuration of the continents and how that influences the Aleutian/Icelandic Low. The Iceland low stays around in the summer. I'm not expert, but I'm guessing the reason the Aleutian Low struggles so much in the summer here is a result of Alaska warming up reversing the north-south temperature gradient that feeds the expansion of the low into the GOA. In Europe the cold North Atlantic runs north of the continent so seasonality wouldn't have as much of an impact. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverIslandSouth Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Big runs coming up. I'm down for some November rain in September. With less people cheering on the perpetual drought state we may have a chance this time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 57 currently...Brrrr. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted September 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Pleasant 67F in the land of 90+ consecutive dry days? Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 57 currently...Brrrr.Just a week from now, average lows will have dropped into the 40’s here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Supercell Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Overall J-J-A temperature for my area wasn't entirely impressive. But summer 2018 may have been the driest one I've been through. Before 2018 I always had pretty heavy t'storms in August, ones that would just about flood out downtown. NOT this time. Even in 2017 when August had a +4.3 Mean in K-Falls, there was also a couple floods that month. http://i68.tinypic.com/28m1u9j.jpg http://i65.tinypic.com/2ymy3aw.jpg Quote Ashland, KY Weather '23-'24 Winter Snowfall - 5.50" First freeze: 11/1 (32) Minimum: 2 on 1/17 Measurable snows: 4 Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19) Thunders: 16 1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15 3/26, 3/30, 3/31, 4/2, 4/3, 4/8, Severe storms: 2 ------------------------------------------------------- [Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021] https://imgur.com/SuGTijl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 El Niño strikes early!https://q13fox.com/2018/09/03/19-rescued-at-washington-state-fair-when-ride-malfunctions-leaving-riders-stranded/ Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Pretty unpleasant how pleasant this weekend turned out considering how pleasantly possible unpleasantness seemed to previously be.Something tells me you drought fanatics will be pleasantly surprised as next week’s advertised unpleasantness pleasantly evaporates as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherArchive Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 The comparison with Western Europe is pretty interesting. Many PNW cities receive more annual precip than those in Western Europe but ours is heavily skewed toward the fall/winter while theirs is almost evenly distributed throughout the year. I think it has to do with the configuration of the continents and how that influences the Aleutian/Icelandic Low. The Iceland low stays around in the summer. I'm not expert, but I'm guessing the reason the Aleutian Low struggles so much in the summer here is a result of Alaska warming up reversing the north-south temperature gradient that feeds the expansion of the low into the GOA. In Europe the cold North Atlantic runs north of the continent so seasonality wouldn't have as much of an impact.so in the summer we have more of a south to north influence? is there any climate scenaroi (scenario) that would make an "Aleution Low" on steroids? would that make things more thundery if our summers were wetter or just depressing? it makes sense for the Iceland low to have more of an influence due to the configuration of the gulf stream going way north but you'd think their would be way more heat/humidity from Africa/Spain.etc. Britain gerts thunderstorms from Spanish Plumes mostly in the S,SE districts aka Kent and sometimes up the east coast. The best heat scenarios like the 70s drought come from Africa and can stay for quite a while like 76 where hose pipes were illegal with hose pipe police patrolling for illegal water violaters!http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/40358961/what-the-drought-of-1976-looked-like-as-this-years-heatwave-continues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 A nice dewy morning. 50 currently with mostly clear skies. Quote Mercer Island, 350 ft 2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21 2020-2021: 15.6" 2019-2020: ~10" 2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5" 2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Mode Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 41.9 this morning, coldest so far August/September. I love the large diurnal changes that come in September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 47. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 47. Probably close to your average low up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Dipped to 49 before the sun started getting higher. 6z GFS moisture through Day 10. Quote Mercer Island, 350 ft 2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21 2020-2021: 15.6" 2019-2020: ~10" 2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5" 2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Dipped to 49 before the sun started getting higher. 6z GFS moisture through Day 10. Not much rain even here until Monday on the 06Z GFS and then its pretty much a WA and BC event. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 The D10-15 EPS brings our friend back. Still plenty of cold to work with given the reduced OHC around the NE-Canadian waters this year. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 GFS has been much drier overall than the Euro. Including the 06z (which I never usually look at). I don't normally look at 06Z run either.. but had to check the details on the timing of that precip. The GFS has been way better than the ECMWF in terms of precip lately... the ECMWF has been over-promising rain for awhile now. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 I don't normally look at 06Z run either.. but had to check the details on the timing of that precip. The GFS has been way better than the ECMWF in terms of precip lately... the ECMWF has been over-promising rain for awhile now.The GFS’s skill scores (z500, global) are *by far* the worst of all the models since 8/25. It’s not even close..even the CMC is kicking its butt. It’s a terrible model that occasionally lucks into a win when boundary conditions evolve to mirror its convective biases. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 The GFS’s skill score (z500, global) are *by far* the worst of all the models since 8/25. It’s not even close..even the CMC is kicking its butt. The GFS has often been drier than the ECMWF for the PNW for some time. And its been correct. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 The GooFuS thinks it will be 104 degrees here today. Great model! Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 The GooFuS thinks it will be 104 degrees here today. Great model! Temperature output on the GFS has always been bad... way too extreme in both directions. That certainly does not mean everything is garbage. The GFS MOS should be used. It shows 93 at DCA today. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 The GFS has been way better than the ECMWF in terms of precip lately... the ECMWF has been over-promising rain for awhile now.It definitely has been. Although the operational GFS did recently cave to the Euro and EPS regarding the heatwave idea for next week. Hopefully a sign that the Euro is getting its together. That or the droughty pleasantness marches on unabated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Overall J-J-A temperature for my area wasn't entirely impressive. But summer 2018 may have been the driest one I've been through. Before 2018 I always had pretty heavy t'storms in August, ones that would just about flood out downtown. NOT this time. Even in 2017 when August had a +4.3 Mean in K-Falls, there was also a couple floods that month. http://i68.tinypic.com/28m1u9j.jpg http://i65.tinypic.com/2ymy3aw.jpgYet another warm, dry summer. Pretty nutty...that’s six in a row now, correct? FWIW, it’s becoming hard not to fault the persistent +PMM/northward-displaced Pacific ITCZ, at this point. Until this changes (hopefully sooner rather than later), the old analogs with more interhemispheric forcing probably aren’t viable to use for boreal summer. Let’s hope solar minimum (trend to -NAM/equatorward heating through the remaining years of this decade) can bump the system into another quasi-stable sequence of boundary state evolution. Because the ongoing mode of tropical seasonality was a hallmark of the Medieval Warm Period (South American cold tongue, meridionally-expanded WPAC warm pool, +NAO), and it coincided with some of the worst megadroughts of the entire late Holocene across western North America. No bueno. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 Yet another warm, dry summer. Pretty nutty...that’s six in a row now, correct? FWIW, it’s becoming hard not to fault the persistent +PMM/northward-displaced Pacific ITCZ, at this point. Until this changes (hopefully sooner rather than later), the old analogs with more interhemispheric forcing probably aren’t viable to use for boreal summer. Let’s hope solar minimum (trend to -NAM/equatorward heating through the remaining years of this decade) can bump the system into another quasi-stable sequence of boundary state evolution. Because the ongoing mode of tropical seasonality was a hallmark of the Medieval Warm Period (South American cold tongue, meridionally-expanded WPAC warm pool, +NAO), and it coincided with some of the worst megadroughts of the entire late Holocene across western North America. No bueno.Sounds pleasant. Don’t you go ruining my Holiday weekend with a megadrought cancel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard777 Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 That trough is digging for our weekend watering and Hurricane Norman riding the line keeping it neatI’m putting my money on the GFS for lighter precipitaion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 As recently as Sunday... the ECMWF was showing copious rain over WA for the weekend. The 00Z ECMWF backed way off in favor of keeping the main rain to the north and west. The 12Z GFS shows just scattered showers on Friday night into Saturday morning. The 12Z GFS does show a more organized front arriving Monday... which is actually faster than the 00Z run. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 12Z GFS shows some rain at times in WA on Monday and Tuesday and then it turns dry again for the rest of the work week. Looks like Oregon pretty much misses out on the Friday night system and the rain on Monday and Tuesday. Just too far south to get in on the action with the pattern shown. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 12Z GFS shows some rain at times in WA on Monday and Tuesday and then it turns dry again for the rest of the work week. Looks like Oregon pretty much misses out on the Friday night system and the rain on Monday and Tuesday. Just too far south to get in on the action with the pattern shown.Your voodoo shrine is working! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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