Guest CulverJosh Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 As long as someone here doesn't admit to socks with sandals. I may have to call you out on that crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Cooler and wetter California sounds best. Portland is also very warm for its latitude - as mentioned in the comparison to Tennessee and Massachusetts. We’re at the same latitude as Central Maine!I like warmer and drier Alaska. We are fairly mild for our latitude. Largest body of water in the world to our west helps with that. But we are nowhere near as insanely mild of parts of coastal Western Europe, where the Gulf Stream brings average temps comparable to our region well north of 50N. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 I was going to say. The whole Pacific Coast of North America is known for being mild compared to inland areas. We are like a cooler and wetter version of California...or a warmer and drier version of Southeast Alaska. I am not sure what Phil was talking about. Our climate is the definition of mild. Generally warm winters and relatively cool summers. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 I am not sure what Phil was talking about. Our climate is the definition of mild. Generally warm winters and relatively cool summers.Semantics, but I wouldn’t call our winters warm. SoCal, Phoenix, Florida etc have legitimately warm winters. Ours are pretty cool and wet. But definitely not frigid like many inland areas at our latitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaraptor Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 I like warmer and drier Alaska.We are fairly mild for our latitude. Largest body of water in the world to our west helps with that. But we are nowhere near as insanely mild of parts of coastal Western Europe, where the Gulf Stream brings average temps comparable to our region well north of 50N.Portland is similar to France at its latitude, not of course counting the Med parts. Generally it’s compared to SW France and Northern Spain, particularly the Basque Country. However, Norway wins over SE Alaska easily. It’s not even a contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Semantics, but I wouldn’t call our winters warm. SoCal, Phoenix, Florida etc have legitimately warm winters. Ours are pretty cool and wet. But definitely not frigid like many inland areas at our latitude. Yeah... warm is too extreme of a word. Mild is better but that would be redundant. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Yeah... warm is too extreme of a word. Mild is better but that would be redundant.You don’t usually have an issue with redundancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 You don’t usually have an issue with redundancy. Well whatever... some 52/42 type days with rain would be nice. Should not be that hard in March. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Some interesting changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 EURO snow maps yet or is it too early? Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 I like warmer and drier Alaska. We are fairly mild for our latitude. Largest body of water in the world to our west helps with that. But we are nowhere near as insanely mild of parts of coastal Western Europe, where the Gulf Stream brings average temps comparable to our region well north of 50N. Yeah...I really hate this being called a Mediterranean climate, but I'm sure Phil hates his being called sub tropical also. The classifications need more categories. During our cold phases this climate isn't really THAT mild anyway. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Some interesting changes. 90AFA5BA-D93C-4FD5-8D08-49E96A9B2599.png The warm bubble is suffering some serious hits. Decent chance we go back into a fairly chilly pattern after whatever warmth we get. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 EURO snow maps yet or is it too early? Here you go... another ECMWF snow map that assumes 36 degree slop is accumulating snow. <_> Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 00Z ECMWF is having no part of any rain next weekend. Just 60s/40s type days with sunshine and dry weather. And accounting for its cool bias... Monday will be in the low 70s. And it now shows 40s and some low 50s east of the mountains in the basin... instead of low 30s like it was showing on previous runs. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Finally down to freezing tonight. It took a bit longer, but the fall has been very steady all evening. Monday will be the 15th consecutive freezing low temperature and something like 37 consecutive 35 or lower. Just ridiculous for late winter / early spring. My average temperature for the first third of March is 36.9 with average low 27.3. Nice numbers! 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Finally down to freezing tonight. It took a bit longer, but the fall has been very steady all evening. Monday will be the 15th consecutive freezing low temperature and something like 37 consecutive 35 or lower. Just ridiculous for late winter / early spring. My average temperature for the first third of March is 36.9 with average low 27.3. Nice numbers!`38 here... and there is a little wind out there now. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 The ECMWF is watering the warmth down too. I actually hope we get a couple of solidly warm days for contrast. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 The ECMWF is watering the warmth down too. I actually hope we get a couple of solidly warm days for contrast. It is not really any different than previous runs. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 ECMWF shows 68 at SEA on Monday and Tuesday... which means 71 or 72. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 It is not really any different than previous runs. Heights aren't quite as high/ridge not as amplified. Some runs the past few days had 500mb heights above 576dm for much of the region early next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 At least the 00Z EURO shows the ridge breaking down at day 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Heights aren't quite as high/ridge not as amplified. Some runs the past few days had 500mb heights above 576dm for much of the region early next week. Surface temps are about the same. Next Sunday is actually warmer than the 12Z run. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Surface temps are about the same. Next Sunday is actually warmer than the 12Z run.If the trend toward lower heights continues those will change as well. I don’t see what was wrong with him mentioning it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 At least the 00Z EURO shows the ridge breaking down at day 10. A band of light rain moving in during the afternoon on day 10 from Eugene to Bellingham with temps near 60. Sounds delightful. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 A band of light rain moving in during the afternoon on day 10 from Eugene to Bellingham with temps near 60. Sounds delightful.Nice dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 I was going to say. The whole Pacific Coast of North America is known for being mild compared to inland areas. We are like a cooler and wetter version of California...or a warmer and drier version of Southeast Alaska.That’s not my definition of mild. I’ll just leave it at this. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RsW1RjsgUgM/Wc2KM8HrLcI/AAAAAAAAFlQ/4IXNbhg6M6Mke_7FaBH7FpjqzXjBUACtQCK4BGAYYCw/s1600/MaxCategory.jpg Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 That’s not my definition of mild. I’ll just leave it at this. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RsW1RjsgUgM/Wc2KM8HrLcI/AAAAAAAAFlQ/4IXNbhg6M6Mke_7FaBH7FpjqzXjBUACtQCK4BGAYYCw/s1600/MaxCategory.jpgMild means no extremes. That is our normal weather here. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 I like warmer and drier Alaska. We are fairly mild for our latitude. Largest body of water in the world to our west helps with that. But we are nowhere near as insanely mild of parts of coastal Western Europe, where the Gulf Stream brings average temps comparable to our region well north of 50N.FWIW, it’s not the Gulf Stream that’s responsible for that warmth. It’s actually modification of the NATL wavetrain by the sharp thermal gradient between the deep pool of frigid, dry air over NE-Canada/Greenland and the warm, moist mild air over the Gulf/western-quadrant of the NATL subtropical anticyclone. If the Gulf Stream shut down completely, Europe would barely cool at all, contrary to popular mythology. Those cool events were a result of abrupt changes to subtropical atmospheric circulation that displaced the Canadian cold pool over the NATL (possible a super -NAO pattern). Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 That map is also misleading. We can easily have highs in the 50s from October into May. Its no wonder its the most common high. A place like Minnesota is way colder for half the year and then jumps to really warm for 4 months or so. They might have 70s as the most common high... but 20s might be second most common. They have a wide range... we have a much more narrow range. We are the bland mild salsa most of the time. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Yeah...I really hate this being called a Mediterranean climate, but I'm sure Phil hates his being called sub tropical also. The classifications need more categories. During our cold phases this climate isn't really THAT mild anyway.That’s why I like the Trewartha classification system better than the Koppen one. This place is literally downright tropical during the summer months (85-95*F everyday, minus the occasional heatwave, with those towering tropical looking clouds every afternoon), but during the winter we’re just as “continental” as Illinois. Stupid system yet it’s still conventional for whatever reason. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 That map is also misleading. We can easily have highs in the 50s from October into May. Its no wonder its the most common high. A place like Minnesota is way colder for half the year and then jumps to really warm for 4 months or so. They might have 70s as the most common high... but 20s might be second most common. They have a wide range... we have a much more narrow range. We are the bland mild salsa most of the time. Something tells me that's your favorite flavor anyway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epiceast Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 That map is also misleading. We can easily have highs in the 50s from October into May. Its no wonder its the most common high. A place like Minnesota is way colder for half the year and then jumps to really warm for 4 months or so. They might have 70s as the most common high... but 20s might be second most common. They have a wide range... we have a much more narrow range. We are the bland mild salsa most of the time. Phil's map is a meme chart. It also shows that the east coast sucks for weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Phil's map is a meme chart. It also shows that the east coast sucks for weather.It sucks for many things, weather being just one of them. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Definitely slowed down here. I like the slowdown after peak season. Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherfan2012 Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 The 00z GFS has perhaps the strongest +NAO that is physically possible.Which is not surprising under developing +QBO during boreal spring following a midwinter SSW. And it’s also favorable for developing a more coherent El Niño in the low pass signal since it helps weaken the intraseasonal cycle. it explans in part why the East coast winter was also reather blend to wrong Qbo phase in a nino winter west qbo El nino winters tend to suck there.on the other hand East qbo El nino winters tend to be pretty awesome.the oppersite to La ninas really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 it explans in part why the East coast winter was also reather blend to wrong Qbo phase in a nino winter west qbo El nino winters tend to suck there.on the other hand East qbo El nino winters tend to be pretty awesome.the oppersite to La ninas really.Well, we’ve had above average snowfall so it could have been worse. It just came in million small events as opposed to a few big events like usual. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CulverJosh Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Definitely slowed down here. I like the slowdown after peak season.Yep. Now comes the pages of over-analysis of our climate vs others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Something tells me that's your favorite flavor anyway. Bad instincts Jesse... hot salsa all the way. Screw mild and medium! Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaraptor Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Yeah...I really hate this being called a Mediterranean climate, but I'm sure Phil hates his being called sub tropical also. The classifications need more categories. During our cold phases this climate isn't really THAT mild anyway.Cool Mediterranean makes sense, at least in Portland. Luckily Koppen makes this distinction. In the summer Portland can go 30-40+ days without rain, easily. That’s not something you see in oceanic climates. Grass turns brown and the valley turns gold. Oceanic climates are mostly green year round. We literally have a wildfire season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Temp up to 38 after a low of 31. Did not check DP but should be below freezing since the snow is crunchy hard this morning and no dripping. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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