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Posted 07 April 2019 - 12:40 PM

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What is your least favorite winter?

I would say 2012-2013. I don’t remember a single event in that year that was actually noteworthy. This latest winter is also up there with how annoying and bait-and-switching it was, imagine getting screwed over twice to areas just north and south. So yeah, 2012-2013 for being boring, and 2018-2019 for being the unluckiest winter.

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Posted 07 April 2019 - 01:28 PM

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It would be 2017-2018. Huge fires all December, the biggest one being the Thomas Fire, and only one major storm in early January, which helped to finally put out the fires, but caused deadly mudslides in the same area. The hills never got green and it was so warm that fall leaves were still on the trees in mid February. A cold snap in late February finally helped to get rid of the leaves, but also caused a very late spring bloom (new leaves did not start growing until the middle of April).

 

For some areas, such as Orange County, it was the driest winter on record.


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Posted 07 April 2019 - 01:39 PM

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Excellent question.  There are a few that come to mind.

 

1980-81 - A horrific winter for nearly all lowland locations and there was no apparent reason for it from an ENSO perspective or any other negative factor we know of.

 

1991-92 - Would hands down be the worst if it weren't for the impressive October cold wave.  Even with that it was probably the worst I've seen.

 

1999-2000 - A putrid La Nina winter at least for the Puget Sound region.

 

2002-03 - Horrendous except for the October / early November cold snap and a little bit of snow in March.


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Winter 2019-20 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 

Coldest Low = 28

Lows 32 or below = 14

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 


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Posted 07 April 2019 - 02:21 PM

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2014-15 would have to go on the list somewhere.  Pretty dreadful just about everywhere in the West.

 

I second MML's choice of 2017-18 for So Cal.  2006-07 was pretty dreadful too.  You'd have to go back to 1983-84 to find anything comparable. 2000-01 was super dry but not as warm as these examples.

 

I'd say that most of the worst winters of the last century have occurred in the last decade.


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Posted 07 April 2019 - 03:14 PM

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What is your least favorite winter?

I would say 2012-2013. I don’t remember a single event in that year that was actually noteworthy. This latest winter is also up there with how annoying and bait-and-switching it was, imagine getting screwed over twice to areas just north and south. So yeah, 2012-2013 for being boring, and 2018-2019 for being the unluckiest winter.

 

02-03. Senior year of high school. Total dud.


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Springfield, Oregon cold season 19-20 Stats:

Coldest high: 46 (Nov 6)
Coldest low: 23 (Oct 31)
Days with below freezing temps: 13
Total snowfall: 0.0"

Last accumulating snowfall (grass): February 27, 2019
Last accumulating snowfall (roads): February 27, 2019
Last sub-freezing high: Jan 13, 2017 (31)
Last White Christmas: 1990

Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

 

Personal Stats:

Last accumulating snowfall (grass): February 27, 2019

Last accumulating snowfall (roads): February 27, 2019
Last sub-freezing high: Jan 13, 2017 (31)
Last White Christmas: 2008

Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 20.7"

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Posted 07 April 2019 - 03:15 PM

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02-03. Senior year of high school. Total dud.

 

Can't find any significant events that year either. Though 2003-2004 was great for some just a year after.


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Posted 07 April 2019 - 05:46 PM

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2011/12. Nickeled and dimed our way to 2.5” of snow in a sea of hot, dry west winds. And the summer that followed..fuuuck.

2012/13 was almost as bad, but hurricane Sandy and the late March/April snows made it interesting.
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Posted 07 April 2019 - 07:42 PM

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2014-15. Hated on many levels.

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Posted 07 April 2019 - 07:59 PM

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2014-2015 was pretty bad. I’m shocked to see 18-19 being mentioned in the PNW. Just sour grapes for missing out I guess. Certainly doesn’t deserve it by the numbers.

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Posted 07 April 2019 - 08:02 PM

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2014-2015 was pretty bad. I’m shocked to see 18-19 being mentioned in the PNW. Just sour grapes for missing out I guess. Certainly doesn’t deserve it by the numbers.


Yeah that seems pretty silly.

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 10:27 AM

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Yeah that seems pretty silly.


Just a matter of opinion is all. More I think about it, more I hate it.

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 11:08 AM

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Just a matter of opinion is all. More I think about it, more I hate it.


Seems logical.

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 11:23 AM

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Seems logical.


It’s more the fact that it was so close. 2014-2015 never even came close to giving us anything after November, there was little hope. And it gave me like 5 windstorms. This winter was very taunting with how everything went around us.

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 11:26 AM

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It’s more the fact that it was so close. 2014-2015 never even came close to giving us anything after November, there was little hope. And it gave me like 5 windstorms. This winter was very taunting with how everything went around us.


I had snow and cold that didn’t go around us.

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 11:32 AM

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Not as well familiar with the lowlands south of Washington this winter season, but I can say most of the stretch of the higher elevations had a solid one this time.

 

And averaging out the last roughly 4 winters is pretty decent in many areas. For me, '17-'18 was not that great for K-Falls. But everything before and after that one was good stuff.


Weather Data for Klamath Falls, OR

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Snowfall (with % of seasonal average)

 

2010-2011 - 58.20" (161%)
2011-2012 - 49.00" (136%)
2012-2013 - 16.70" (46%)
2013-2014 - 9.05" (25%)
2014-2015 - 2.90" (8%)
2015-2016 - 54.45" (151%)
2016-2017 - 63.00" (175%)
2017-2018 - 18.10" (50%)
 
2018-2019 - 52.30" (145%)
 
Nov '18 - 00.20" (5%)
Dec '18 - 05.80" (58%)
Jan '19 - 09.50(80%)
Feb '19 - 27.50" (306%)
Mar '19 - 09.00" (360%)
Apr '19 - 0.30" (30%)
 
2019 Thunderstorms: 14
04/02, 04/19, 05/28, 05/31, 06/01
06/12, 06/28, 07/14, 08/09, 08/10
08/28, 09/05, 09/15, 09/16
Hailstorms: 05/28 (1/4")
Severe Wind: 0
 
Top 5 Daily Snows: 12.40" (01/03/2017), 8.20" (11/23/2010), 7.50" (12/13/2015), 6.60" (02/07/2017), 6.20" (03/10/2019)
Honorable Mention: 6.00" (03/20/2012), 6.00" (02/28/2012), 5.70" (12/14/2016), 5.50" (01/18/2012)
Max Depths: 21.00" (01/07/2017), 18.00" (12/24/2015), 11.00" (11/23/2010), 9.50" (02/27/2019), 9.00" (02/28/2012)
 
T'storm Days: 14 (2019), 16 (2018), 11 (2017), 12 (2016), 20 (2015), 21 (2014), 16 (2013), 2 (2012), 12 (2011) / 1980-2015 Avg = 12 T'storm Days
Severe T'storms: 5 (08/10/2019), (08/08/2017), (07/24/2017), (01/19/2016), (08/05/2012) 
"Almost" Severe: 2 (08/10/2017), (05/04/2016)
Vicinity Severe T'storms (close enough to hear, with official severe reports)
(06/26/2017), (08/05/2016), (07/09/2015), (07/05/2015), (06/09/2015), (08/05/2014), (08/04/2014), (08/22/2013), (08/12/2013), (09/12/2011), (09/04/2011)

 


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Posted 08 April 2019 - 11:38 AM

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I had snow and cold that didn’t go around us.


That’s because you’re near the Columbia Gorge. I live in one of the worst spots in the entire PNW east of the Coast Range crest for snow and interesting weather in general.
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No rain here until Hour 258.

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 11:40 AM

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I had snow and cold that didn’t go around us.


Can you really compare what we got to what other lowland areas in the PNW received?

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 11:41 AM

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Can you really compare what we got to what other lowland areas in the PNW received?


February 9th. PDX got 5” of snow. Washington County failed as per typical by being west of the cold front entirely.
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Posted 08 April 2019 - 11:42 AM

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Can you really compare what we got to what other lowland areas in the PNW received?


So what. No idea how that makes it the worst winter ever. Seems ridiculously whiny considering how many actual bad ones we have seen compared to that.

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 12:36 PM

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So what. No idea how that makes it the worst winter ever. Seems ridiculously whiny considering how many actual bad ones we have seen compared to that.


It’s not the worst, it’s my least favorite. Big difference there. This one was infuriatingly slighting. So much potential completely squandered, reduced to the few weak snow events we ended up with. Compared to what models were showing mere days before it was incredible how unlucky this one was.
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"The way I look at it, as long as you make it out of a battle alive, you're one step closer to fulfilling your dream."

 

-Seifer Almasy (VIII)


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Posted 08 April 2019 - 01:07 PM

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Oh, I think I see.  You're drawing a distinction between the worst winter statistically, and the winter that made you feel the worst relative to expectations.

 

For me, that would have to be 2015-16 in SoCal.  Raging Niño had visions of 1968-69, 1972-73, and 1997-98 dancing in my head, and it turned out to be yet another desiccated blowtorch in a whole series of them.


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Posted 08 April 2019 - 03:39 PM

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Oh, I think I see.  You're drawing a distinction between the worst winter statistically, and the winter that made you feel the worst relative to expectations.

 

For me, that would have to be 2015-16 in SoCal.  Raging Niño had visions of 1968-69, 1972-73, and 1997-98 dancing in my head, and it turned out to be yet another desiccated blowtorch in a whole series of them.

 

Would be nice to have one of the first 2 of those Ninos as an analog for 19-20, but we are now due for a dud winter and we have just had a 1 in 50 chance snow event in Feb so I highly doubt we get one of those.


Springfield, Oregon cold season 19-20 Stats:

Coldest high: 46 (Nov 6)
Coldest low: 23 (Oct 31)
Days with below freezing temps: 13
Total snowfall: 0.0"

Last accumulating snowfall (grass): February 27, 2019
Last accumulating snowfall (roads): February 27, 2019
Last sub-freezing high: Jan 13, 2017 (31)
Last White Christmas: 1990

Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

 

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Last accumulating snowfall (grass): February 27, 2019

Last accumulating snowfall (roads): February 27, 2019
Last sub-freezing high: Jan 13, 2017 (31)
Last White Christmas: 2008

Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 20.7"

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 03:57 PM

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Okay. I'm going to make a more calm response to this thread. 2018-19 was not a very good winter in Eastern Washington County, but it was far from the worst the area has ever had.

 

The worst might be 1976-77. Very little precipitation throughout the entire winter and it kickstarted one of the worst droughts in Portland history. Just cold and dry, probably with low humidity and east winds, for most of that winter. January and March were too cold as well. There wasn't much in the way of snow either.


No rain here until Hour 258.

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 04:42 PM

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2018-19 is definitely on the list from a backyard perspective. Almost completely missing 12"+ lowland events by less than 100 miles to the north and south (and by 20 miles to the east in the case of 2/9) is a pretty unprecedented stroke of bad luck for this area.

 

2007-08 and 1996-97 are similar in that the weather was objectively wintrier than some but subjectively was pretty hard to stomach.


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Posted 10 April 2019 - 05:18 PM

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2018-19 is definitely on the list from a backyard perspective. Almost completely missing 12"+ lowland events by less than 100 miles to the north and south (and by 20 miles to the east in the case of 2/9) is a pretty unprecedented stroke of bad luck for this area.

2007-08 and 1996-97 are similar in that the weather was objectively wintrier than some but subjectively was pretty hard to stomach.


2018-2019 was a special kind of sadistic for PDX. Hopefully people don’t complain if PDX gets absolutely buried next year.

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 05:19 PM

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2018-2019 was a special kind of sadistic for PDX. Hopefully people don’t complain if PDX gets absolutely buried next year.


You done more than enough complaining for everyone around PDX this last winter, no need for the continuous lecture.

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 07:59 PM

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2018-19 is definitely on the list from a backyard perspective. Almost completely missing 12"+ lowland events by less than 100 miles to the north and south (and by 20 miles to the east in the case of 2/9) is a pretty unprecedented stroke of bad luck for this area.

 

2007-08 and 1996-97 are similar in that the weather was objectively wintrier than some but subjectively was pretty hard to stomach.

 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"
2012-13: 16.75"
2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

 

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1991-92 without a doubt. But 2014-15, 2004-05, 2002-03 are definitely in the mix. 


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Snowfall                                  Precip

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"
2012-13: 16.75"
2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

 

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Tim was worried about you. 

 

I'm always worried about Tim  :P



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Posted 11 April 2019 - 03:06 PM

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You done more than enough complaining for everyone around PDX this last winter, no need for the continuous lecture.

 

If my lecture makes sure that no one north of PDX (or even south) will be mad next year, so be it.


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Posted 11 April 2019 - 10:47 PM

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2001-02, 2006-07, 2013-14, 2017-18. All were very, pathetically dry winters here in Southern California with persistent high pressure and very little actual rain. All four of them also placed somewhere very high on the region's lists for driest winter on record (for most Southern California locations, 2006-07 was the driest in recorded history).

 

2015-16 was very disappointing as Eujunga pointed out. It was the first strong El Nino to completely flop for Southern California (at least since 1950), whereas the big El Nino winters of 1972-73, 1982-83, and 1997-98 were all historic. 


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2019-2020 Season Total: 0.06" (as of 10/15/19)

 

2018-2019 Season Total: 15.84"

2017-2018 Season Total: 4.63"

2016-2017 Season Total: 15.18"

2015-2016 Season Total: 8.12"

 

California Water Year/Rainy Season measuring period runs from July 1 to June 30.
 

 

 


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Posted 13 April 2019 - 10:17 AM

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1991-92 without a doubt. But 2014-15, 2004-05, 2002-03 are definitely in the mix. 

 

1991-92 was horrendous.  It blew my mind after that amazing October we had.  Back then El Nino wasn't as well understood as it is now.


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Winter 2019-20 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 

Coldest Low = 28

Lows 32 or below = 14

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 


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Posted 13 April 2019 - 10:20 AM

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2001-02, 2006-07, 2013-14, 2017-18. All were very, pathetically dry winters here in Southern California with persistent high pressure and very little actual rain. All four of them also placed somewhere very high on the region's lists for driest winter on record (for most Southern California locations, 2006-07 was the driest in recorded history).

 

2015-16 was very disappointing as Eujunga pointed out. It was the first strong El Nino to completely flop for Southern California (at least since 1950), whereas the big El Nino winters of 1972-73, 1982-83, and 1997-98 were all historic. 

 

1972-73 was really a freak strong El Nino for the north.  Major cold and snow in the NW, almost no snow in the NE.  The results in CA were more in line with expectations from a major Nino.


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Winter 2019-20 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 

Coldest Low = 28

Lows 32 or below = 14

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 


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Posted 13 April 2019 - 08:08 PM

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1972-73 was really a freak strong El Nino for the north. Major cold and snow in the NW, almost no snow in the NE. The results in CA were more in line with expectations from a major Nino.


Yeah, 1972/73 was a weird winter here. Plenty of cold, but the storm track sucked donkey balls.

Ended up with a trace of snow at DCA. Glad I wasn’t alive for that catastrophe.
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Posted 13 April 2019 - 10:34 PM

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Yeah, 1972/73 was a weird winter here. Plenty of cold, but the storm track sucked donkey balls.

Ended up with a trace of snow at DCA. Glad I wasn’t alive for that catastrophe.

 

Yeah...I think NYC had like 3.7" or some ridiculous number like that.


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Winter 2019-20 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 

Coldest Low = 28

Lows 32 or below = 14

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 


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TigerWoodsLibido

Posted 14 April 2019 - 12:32 AM

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72 had a nice snowstorm and very cold temps for the valley in early Dec.  Very strange Nino winter.


Springfield, Oregon cold season 19-20 Stats:

Coldest high: 46 (Nov 6)
Coldest low: 23 (Oct 31)
Days with below freezing temps: 13
Total snowfall: 0.0"

Last accumulating snowfall (grass): February 27, 2019
Last accumulating snowfall (roads): February 27, 2019
Last sub-freezing high: Jan 13, 2017 (31)
Last White Christmas: 1990

Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

 

Personal Stats:

Last accumulating snowfall (grass): February 27, 2019

Last accumulating snowfall (roads): February 27, 2019
Last sub-freezing high: Jan 13, 2017 (31)
Last White Christmas: 2008

Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 20.7"

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#37
snow_wizard

Posted 20 April 2019 - 05:40 PM

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72 had a nice snowstorm and very cold temps for the valley in early Dec.  Very strange Nino winter.

 

Jan 1973 had some cold and snow up this way also.  Not sure about down there.


Death To Warm Anomalies!

 

Winter 2019-20 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 

Coldest Low = 28

Lows 32 or below = 14

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 


#38
Black Hole

Posted 01 May 2019 - 12:58 PM

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2014/2015 was awful in Utah as well. Probably the worst winter in my mind given the utter hopelessness for pretty much the entirety of the winter. 


Winter 2018/2019

Nov 24: 3.3", 30: 1" (4.3") ::: Dec 2: 4.6", 3: .8", 5: .3", 12: 2.3", 21: .6", 24: 1.4", 25: 1.5", 26: 2.7", 27: 1.5", 30: .8" (16.5") ::: Jan 6: 2.7", 16: 1.1", 18: 1", 21: 5.6", 23: .4" (10.8") ::: Feb 5: 3.7", 6: 4.3", 7: 2.0", 10: 4.5", 15: 3.4", 19: 2.8" (20.7") ::: Mar 2: 3.0", 3: 2.3", 8: 3.2", 13: 6.0", 14: 1.1", 28: 1.2", 29: 3.9" (20.7") ::: April 10: .3", 12: 3" (3.3")

Total: 76.3"

 

Winter 2017/2018

Dec 4: 3.2", 16: 0.9", 20: 2.1", 23: 1.5", 25: 4.6" (12.3") ::: Jan 6: 1.5", 20: 10.8", 25: 1.5" (13.8") ::: Feb 19: 8.6", 20: 2.4", 23: 7.1", 25: .5" (18.6") ::: Mar 4: 13", 15: 1.8", 17: 5.3", 25: 4.2" (24.3") ::: April 12: 1", 17: 1.3" (2.3")

Total: 69.3"

Winter 2016/17 Snow:
Nov 17: 3.2", 23: 1.6", 28: 9.2" (14) ::: Dec 1: .5", 16: 2.5", 25: 13" (16) ::: Jan 2: 5", 3: 2.4", 4: 7.7", 12: 1", 19: 1.2", 21: 13", 23: 6", 24: 1", 25: 3.7", 26: 2.5" (43.5)  ::: Feb 11: .5", 23: 6.5", 27: 4.5" (13.5) ::: Mar 5: 5.5" (5.5) ::: Apr 8: 2", 9: 1.8" (3.8) ::: May 17: 1" (1)

Total: 96.3"


#39
erik1974

Posted 29 May 2019 - 05:45 AM

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      For me it would be Winter 2001-02 in the Southern California mountains.  Driest winter at San Diego AP, as they only recorded only 3.02 inches of rain.  There have been drier years for LA/Orange County that followed this one(2006-07, 2017-18). There have been longer drought periods statewide(2014-2018), but no other drought period can match the amount of bark beetle devastation that occurred during this time.  Areas such as Julian and Lake Arrowhead were absolutely ravaged to be sure.  Palomar Mountain had a massive die-off of White Firs near the Observatory.  I even saw areas of Anza Borrego where Pinyons and even Junipers were dying in good numbers, as well as mesquite die-offs in the Borrego Valley!  These conditions would lead to the devastating 2003 Firestorms.  


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