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Posted 28 October 2019 - 08:02 AM

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Did anyone get the memo from mother nature???  I think we are all getting a taste of what is to come right now.  While we close out the remaining last few days of a rather cold month of October, will this pattern continue into November???  The signs from nature and the signals in the model world are all pointing towards a cold month of November.  Is Winter knocking on our doorstep??  How many more winter storms will we see this month???  An early disruption of the Polar Vortex???  So many things to consider and discuss.

 

 

Let's begin....

 

First off, the trends in the CFSv2 are noteworthy and its establishing a North American Vortex that seems to be a dominating pattern over the entire Northern Hemisphere.  IMO, this is going to be a common theme over the coming weeks and months ahead.

 

 

 

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Temp trends...

 

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Precip trends...while they are rather dry, I don't necessarily believe this to be an accurate portrayal of what will transpire.

 

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After looking into the data, it is producing some convincing evidence the we open up the first couple weeks on an active and very cold (against norms) note.  There are a couple storm systems on my calendar that I'm watching that may very well end up becoming large winter storms (11th-15th) & during Thanksgiving week.  Who's fired up and ready for Winter???

 

 


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Posted 28 October 2019 - 09:58 AM

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I'm fired up starting Thanksgiving week until March.


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Posted 28 October 2019 - 10:12 AM

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I'm with Niko. Starting mid-month and on, let's GO!
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Posted 28 October 2019 - 10:47 AM

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Did see something around Thanksgiving. One of the few times I really want a pass on something. We travel through open Kansas and Nebraska. So any snow could easily go white out. Also one year had a nasty ice storm. That was a blast.
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Posted 28 October 2019 - 11:17 AM

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Did see something around Thanksgiving. One of the few times I really want a pass on something. We travel through open Kansas and Nebraska. So any snow could easily go white out. Also one year had a nasty ice storm. That was a blast.

 

Makes it a memorable "adventure". At least that's what we say..


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Posted 28 October 2019 - 11:22 AM

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I'm fired up starting Thanksgiving week until March.

 

CPC saying "get ready for some more winds with your Novembrr chill"  :)

 

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Posted 28 October 2019 - 12:24 PM

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CPC saying "get ready for some more winds with your Novembrr chill"  :)

 

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That should knock down all of the remaining leaves by that point of time.



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Posted 28 October 2019 - 12:40 PM

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That should knock down all of the remaining leaves by that point of time.

 

Point I was making is that I can't remember a stretch in any season with so many wind events/windy storms (aka strong storms) in all my years in the Mitt. One per autumn is kinda traditional, but even that's not a given. We're about to see our 4th, and it's not even November, the month of yore for windstorms on the GL's. I'm not sure how to assess this tbh? Either we're going to burn up a great thing before winter, or we've got a ton of fireworks to look forward to this winter.  :o


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Posted 28 October 2019 - 01:07 PM

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CFS definitely missed Texas precip.

We've received rain through the month and it's coming in as I write this the 28th.
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Posted 28 October 2019 - 01:22 PM

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Looks like after the strong low passes (Halloween storm), it stays cold:

 

Conditions will stay on the cooler side right through the upcoming
weekend. By Friday, the strong low will be continuing to move away
from the area allowing cold air to funnel across the region.
Westerly winds will once again be gusty on Friday before diminishing
overnight into Saturday morning. Another longwave trough will drop
down over the area this weekend, which will keep temperatures below
normal for the beginning of November. There also remains slight
chances for precipitation during this time period, however, most
areas look to remain dry.



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Posted 28 October 2019 - 07:25 PM

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I'm ready to ride!   :lol:

 

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Posted 29 October 2019 - 02:25 AM

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How many times have we seen maps like these in recent years that resemble the Maunder Minimum temp reconstruction maps???  Check out the extremely close resemblance with the maps below and especially the 00z GEFS temp departures as we open up the first 1-2 weeks of Novembrrrrr...#climate  #solarmin

 

 

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Posted 29 October 2019 - 03:31 AM

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Hey Tom- do you have a source for the "Annual Temp Change" map? Just curious as I would like to share it also on social media.
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Posted 29 October 2019 - 03:35 AM

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Hey Tom- do you have a source for the "Annual Temp Change" map? Just curious as I would like to share it also on social media.
Thanks!

I just google "Maunder Minimum Temp Reconstruction Map"...a ton of maps pop up...welcome


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Posted 29 October 2019 - 03:46 AM

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The models are starting to agree on multiple disruptions of the Polar Vortex as we enter into November.  The first of which, is currently beginning to take shape across Eurasia as seen in the 10mb animation below....

 

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The 00z GFS op run last night is showing it to continue through the end of October...

 

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Then another potentially even more robust disruption starts back up around the 10th/11th or so...will this be a re-ocurring theme???  Or is an early disruption on the table, one which is very rare before January.  It's been my pre-season idea so lets see how it all unfolds.  

 

 

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Posted 29 October 2019 - 04:02 AM

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Gfs showing a big storm next Thursday - Saturday. Definitely agree Tom feels like a big switch just got flicked.
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Posted 29 October 2019 - 04:02 AM

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Did anyone see the Euro Weeklies run last night???  I borrowed this off of Wx Bell's site and it looks like our Sub Forum is in for an interesting ride in November....

 

 

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Posted 29 October 2019 - 04:05 AM

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Gfs showing a big storm next Thursday - Saturday. Definitely agree Tom feels like a big switch just got flicked.

IMHO, we are about to see something truly "Special & Spectacular" and likely Historic as we flip the calendar into November.  I'm speechless right now based on the data that is consistently coming in.  Wild times ahead my friend!


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Posted 29 October 2019 - 04:15 AM

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IMHO, we are about to see something truly "Special & Spectacular" and likely Historic as we flip the calendar into November. I'm speechless right now based on the data that is consistently coming in. Wild times ahead my friend!

I'll take me some wild times. Interested to see how much this solar cycle is fueling this. Also interesting that while solar activity is weak we keep getting these coronal holes forming and giving quick burst of energy.
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Posted 29 October 2019 - 04:18 AM

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I'll take me some wild times. Interested to see how much this solar cycle is fueling this. Also interesting that while solar activity is week we keep getting these coronal holes forming and giving quick burst of energy.

Without a doubt Low Solar is having an impact this year and likely next year.  Let's get through this year's very Long Winter first....which will likely again hold strong into April.


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Posted 29 October 2019 - 04:20 AM

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Without a doubt Low Solar is having an impact this year and likely next year. Let's get through this coming very Long winter....likely again holding strong into April.

Had an Uncle post up one of those old wise tales a couple of weeks ago. Cut open three seeds all three showed "shovels."
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Posted 29 October 2019 - 04:22 AM

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Did anyone see the Euro Weeklies run last night???  I borrowed this off of Wx Bell's site and it looks like our Sub Forum is in for an interesting ride in November....

 

Granted, that's 46 days taking us well into Dec, but certainly as a gauge of whether it looks winter-like versus non-winter-like, I think we see hand writing on the wall..


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Posted 29 October 2019 - 07:26 AM

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November enters in on a cold note. My forecast shows 30s for highs/20s for lows and numerous snowshowers, especially 2nd wk of the month. I just hope it does not jack up December.



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Posted 29 October 2019 - 08:09 AM

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Well...we jammed spring, summer, and fall into 6 months!

6th shortest streak on record between 1 inch or more snowfalls at Madison this year...April 27th to October 28th.
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Posted 29 October 2019 - 08:47 AM

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November enters in on a cold note. My forecast shows 30s for highs/20s for lows and numerous snowshowers, especially 2nd wk of the month. I just hope it does not jack up December.

 

We keep seeing flash-backs of last season in a surprising number of ways so it's a bit unsettling. Lack of the monster SER will hopefully work to dispel my concerns as we go forward.



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Posted 29 October 2019 - 08:48 AM

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Here ya go Tom (from the OFA article)

 

The periodical actually used the word "snow-verload" to describe the conditions we can expect in the coming months.

 

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Posted 29 October 2019 - 09:01 AM

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Tom's bigger ticket storm looking like a November classic for NMI. It's truly beautiful up there when they get these..

 

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Posted 29 October 2019 - 09:07 AM

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We keep seeing flash-backs of last season in a surprising number of ways so it's a bit unsettling. Lack of the monster SER will hopefully work to dispel my concerns as we go forward.

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Posted 29 October 2019 - 12:36 PM

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Did anyone see the Euro Weeklies run last night???  I borrowed this off of Wx Bell's site and it looks like our Sub Forum is in for an interesting ride in November....

 

What am I missing?  For the month of November and nearly half of December I would think this shows closer to average snowfall totals for most of the area on this map than anything else?  



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Posted 29 October 2019 - 12:39 PM

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What am I missing? For the month of November and nearly half of December I would think this shows closer to average snowfall totals for most of the area on this map than anything else?


It just illustrates an average mean snowfall outlook. I just use this as guidance that is suggesting a nice storm track through our Sub. Not necessarily diving into the numbers so much.
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Posted 29 October 2019 - 12:39 PM

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Looks like December here, not the end of October. Wow!

"Wednesday
Showers. High near 49. North wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New precipitation amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.
Wednesday Night
A chance of rain showers before 1am, then a slight chance of drizzle or freezing drizzle between 1am and 4am, then a slight chance of snow and freezing drizzle after 4am. Cloudy, with a low around 30. Northwest wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%.
Thursday
A 10 percent chance of light snow before 7am. Partly sunny, with a high near 41. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph.
Thursday Night
Mostly clear, with a low around 26. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph becoming south after midnight.
Friday
Sunny, with a high near 53. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.
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Clear, with a low around 28. Southwest wind around 5 mph becoming northwest after midnight."

It's not much but I'll take it.
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Posted 29 October 2019 - 03:31 PM

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Hang in there, Okla. It’s comin’!!
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Posted 29 October 2019 - 06:25 PM

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Hang in there, Okla. It’s comin’!!

:) It wont be too long till snow is flying there.


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Posted 29 October 2019 - 07:27 PM

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November could turn out to be a very chilly month w temps much BN.


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 02:53 AM

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I enjoy seeing nature line up on specific calendar dates and something really interesting happens over North America once we enter November.  As we open up the month, look up near the Archipelago on the 1st as we see a piece of the Vortex slide into North America which translates into the North American Vortex and takes over the entire pattern.  My goodness, this is about as pretty as it gets if you want to flood our continent with brutal arctic air.

 

 

I'm starting to see the GEFS getting wetter towards Week 2 of this month across the Plains and I fully expect this to fill in across the MW region.  With cold air entrenched and a pattern favorable towards producing more storminess, expect to see more wintry systems as Winter's barrage shall continue.

 

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 02:56 AM

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I enjoy seeing nature line up on specific calendar dates and something really interesting happens over North America once we enter November.  As we open up the month, look up near the Archipelago on the 1st as we see a piece of the Vortex slide into North America which translates into the North American Vortex and takes over the entire pattern.  My goodness, this is about as pretty as it gets if you want to flood our continent with brutal arctic air.

 

 

I'm starting to see the GEFS getting wetter towards Week 2 of this month across the Plains and I fully expect this to fill in across the MW region.  With cold air entrenched and a pattern favorable towards producing more storminess, expect to see more wintry systems as Winter's barrage shall continue.

 

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The CMC is picking up on exactly what your saying.  Early Nov. artic invasion.

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 04:27 AM

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06Z GFS looks very active in the long term.  Wouldn't it be something if we just have a good old fashioned long winter that started in October and just continues.


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 05:34 AM

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Tom,

I'm curious. It's been a long time since North Texas saw snow.

Do you think it will sink far enough south to give DFW some of the white stuff?
I haven't been optimistic, but the cold air runs are indicating a lot of cold sinking south.
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Posted 30 October 2019 - 05:51 AM

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Hang in there, Okla. It’s comin’!!


I'm starting to get pretty excited. I'm pretty sure there will be snow on the ground by late November here. I don't see much of a way to avoid it, which is highly unusual given the last 4 years.
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Posted 30 October 2019 - 05:52 AM

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Tom,

I'm curious. It's been a long time since North Texas saw snow.

Do you think it will sink far enough south to give DFW some of the white stuff?
I haven't been optimistic, but the cold air runs are indicating a lot of cold sinking south.

 

Not Tom obviously, but POW Wx saying after a 5 yr snow-less stretch for DFW, you may see as much as 6" this winter. A bunch of dustings, or all in one storm who knows? 


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 05:58 AM

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Thanks for the update Jaster!

Wouldn't that be something?! It's been a long time. I recall deep snow in 2008-2009 winter here. Then it dried up. I'm hoping we don't start seeing it only every 10 yrs as I may have to travel to see snow.
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Posted 30 October 2019 - 06:01 AM

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I'm starting to get pretty excited. I'm pretty sure there will be snow on the ground by late November here. I don't see much of a way to avoid it, which is highly unusual given the last 4 years.

 

With 1917 playing out around CO, what does your historical data tell you for that year wrt early snows in your area? 



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Posted 30 October 2019 - 06:23 AM

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With 1917 playing out around CO, what does your historical data tell you for that year wrt early snows in your area?


It was really limited to north of here until later into December. The temps actually looked pretty nonchalant all the way through November.

Historic is a pretty good word. Never anything like this so early. Not even 1917 or 1911.
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Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:12 AM

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Next week features high in the 30s and lows in the low 20s for mby. Brrrrrrrr.


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 11:57 AM

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12Z Euro with very cold weather and storminess in the center of the nation next Thursday-Saturday, Nov. 7-9.


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 12:10 PM

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12Z Euro with very cold weather and storminess in the center of the nation next Thursday-Saturday, Nov. 7-9.

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 12:13 PM

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Well lets do it all over again next week and start some storm tracking.  It can be frustrating, but it pulls me in every time.


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 12:17 PM

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Well lets do it all over again next week and start some storm tracking.  It can be frustrating, but it pulls me in every time.

I think it's my favorite hobby lol.


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 12:59 PM

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Well lets do it all over again next week and start some storm tracking.  It can be frustrating, but it pulls me in every time.

No kidding. I remember just 3-4 days ago when both the major models for multiple runs were showing eastern Nebraska getting 10-15" of snow and instead, I don't think I crossed 1/2" total between both events. :rolleyes:



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Posted 30 October 2019 - 01:27 PM

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No kidding. I remember just 3-4 days ago when both the major models for multiple runs were showing eastern Nebraska getting 10-15" of snow and instead, I don't think I crossed 1/2" total between both events. :rolleyes:


That’s the frustrating part when it shows a big one. Hopefully the pattern stays active for us.
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