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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:01 AM

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Again... who cares about his detailed colors???

The screaming message there was dry out West and bitter cold east of the Rockies. Interpret it on your own.


The general public does not understand pattern recognition in fluid dynamics..they don't know what temperature anomalies should look like in a "trough"..or what a "trough" even is.

If the average Joe sees orange or white over his house, he won't be suspecting anomalous cold.

Only a politically motivated whack job can miss 200 square miles of cold.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:04 AM

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The general public does not understand pattern recognition in fluid dynamics..they don't know what temperature anomalies should look like in a "trough"..or what a "trough" even is.

If the average Joe sees orange or white over his house, he won't be suspecting anomalous cold.

 

 

Again... don't care how the average Joe interprets his maps.

 

Not using it for the purpose.    The pattern was correct.

 

And in fact... he should have painted more red out there.   SEA was almost +3 for that week with below average rainfall.    He must have a cold bias.   :lol:    



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:06 AM

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The general public does not understand pattern recognition in fluid dynamics..they don't know what temperature anomalies should look like in a "trough"..or what a "trough" even is.

If the average Joe sees orange or white over his house, he won't be suspecting anomalous cold.

Only a politically motivated whack job can miss 200 square miles of cold.

 

 

He also missed hundreds of square miles of warmth out here that week!

 

But he told me what I needed to know about the general pattern.



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:08 AM

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Here are how the anomalies have actually turned out in the United States since October 1. If that monthly EURO and NMME forecast had even come close to panning out, 85% of the country would be bright red.

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Let's not try to paint an awful forecast as a decent one just because its latest release is showing something you want to see, Tim. ;) Let's be intellectually honest here.


The NMME actually showed no cold anywhere over the lower-48 for the entire October-April period, and no cold anywhere on the globe for DJF.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:10 AM

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So Phil... what is your call for the West this summer?     Give me some analogs.



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:10 AM

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He also missed hundreds of square miles of warmth out here that week!

But he told me what I needed to know about the general pattern.


He had you painted in orange though. Colors/Visual aids mean a lot when preaching to the stupid. I can't believe you're denying Brett Anderson has a warm bias..I thought you'd be more objective about this..

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The general public does not understand pattern recognition in fluid dynamics..they don't know what temperature anomalies should look like in a "trough"..or what a "trough" even is.

If the average Joe sees orange or white over his house, he won't be suspecting anomalous cold.

Only a politically motivated whack job can miss 200 square miles of cold.

Are you sure you mean 200 square miles? That's a pretty tiny area when looking at a map of the entire north American land mass

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:14 AM

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He had you painted in orange though. Colors/Visual aids mean a lot when preaching to the stupid. I can't believe you're denying Brett Anderson has a warm bias..I thought you'd be more objective about this..

 

 

Don't care about his warm bias.    I really don't.

 

How many times do I have to say it... I use his maps to get a general idea of the pattern.    

 

His orange was for dry... not warm.    He uses red for warmth... blue for cold... orange for dry... and green for wet.    He did not show anything regarding the temperatures in the PNW during that week.   Only that it would be drier than normal.   He blew it!    It was warm that week!    And I don't care.     The pattern was correct.   I CAN INTERPRET THE REST ON MY OWN! 



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:14 AM

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So Phil... what is your call for the West this summer? Give me some analogs.


Warmer and drier than average, with a NPAC low developing and growing in strength as we move into a +AAM/-QBO/Niño/+SAO regime. An enhanced monsoon looks possible as increased moisture will exist in the EPAC as the Hadley Cells shift east with the Walker Cell. This will be fighting the solar forcing which will want to reduce the AAM and the MJO mean period frequency. So it's unlikely that a strong Niño is in the cards. Healthy moderate is possible though, especially if the Sun stays relatively active.

Where exactly the NPAC low sets up will determine a lot, though. If things shift too far east, it might be a muggy, wet, warm summer. Farther west, and it'd be drier .

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:14 AM

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I hope we have a wet cool summer. Followed by an early fall. 


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:17 AM

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Warmer and drier than average, with a NPAC low developing and growing in strength as we move into a +AAM/-QBO/Niño/+SAO regime. An enhanced monsoon looks possible as increased moisture will exist in the EPAC as the Hadley Cells shift east with the Walker Cell.

Where exactly the NPAC low sets up will determine a lot, though. If things shift too far east, it might be a muggy, wet, warm summer. Farther west, and it'd be drier .

 

 

Love it!

 

That is my general sense as well.

 

Don't care about anything else... just a ridgy summer in the West.    Truly don't care how Brett uses his colors.   Only that there seems to be a tendency for ridging in the West.



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:20 AM

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I hope we have a wet cool summer. Followed by an early fall. 

 

Why can't it just rain and be cloudy and murky all summer?     It would be so nice to just eliminate any sense of seasons out here and have it rain constantly.     Warm wet winters... cold wet summers.    Always within the 40-60 degree range with a cold rain!    



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:27 AM

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Love it!

That is my general sense as well.

Don't care about anything else... just a ridgy summer in the West. Truly don't care how Brett uses his colors. Only that there seems to be a tendency for ridging in the West.


It's a tough one though because we have the solar signal competing with the tropical signal..to criminally simplify it. I think the tropics will win out given solar forcing is in-between and chaotic, but the stratosphere suggests a good portion of the central/eastern US may see a cooler summer.

The 1960s are calling. I don't think it'll be this cold, but the possibility is there:

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:28 AM

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I hope we have a wet cool summer. Followed by an early fall. 

 

That wet better be from convection! Or else!!

 

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:30 AM

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It's a tough one though because we have the solar signal competing with the tropical signal..to criminally simplify it. I think the tropics will win out given solar forcing is in-between and chaotic, but the stratosphere suggests a good portion of the central/eastern US may see a cooler summer.

The 1960s are calling. I don't think it'll be this cold, but the possibility is there:

QwP0m1.jpg

 

 

When its cooler than normal east of the Rockies... the weather is usually nice out here.



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:32 AM

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:lol:
 
What a joke. I wish people would refrain before posting complete trash maps like those and peddling them as fact.
 
Our "very dry" February sure worked out! Same with our blowtorch December with seasonable to mild weather all winter across the northern tier. :lol:
 
Brett Anderson is a global warming alarmist hack.


I am glad I posted the "complete trash maps" it actually made for an interesting read this morning. Better than the who wants frost and who doesn't, who likes native plants in their yard and cloud tracking discussion of yesterday. I actually enjoyed reading some of the comments and some were very informative.

BTW Tim, your yard is gorgeous IMO. I wish more people took the time and pride to "manicure" their property in my area.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:32 AM

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Even when adding in some strong Niño years to account for the strong tropical forcings that will be present over the next several months, I still get the same cool signal over the US:

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:43 AM

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Even when adding in some strong Niño years to account for the strong tropical forcings that will be present over the next several months, I still get the same cool signal over the US:

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Love that "signal".   :)

 

I hope the rest of the country is cold all summer... because that means it will likely be warm out here.



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:46 AM

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BTW Tim, your yard is gorgeous IMO. I wish more people took the time and pride to "manicure" their property in my area.

 

 

Thanks... most of the credit goes to my wife.  

 

Biggest pet peeve I have about the PNW... some people really care about how their property looks but a huge percentage of the population does not care at all.   In Minnesota... even most modest homes are well maintained with manicured yards.    Its part of the culture there to take pride in your home and yard.    Its not about money... its about taking pride in ownership.   



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:55 AM

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A warm-ish summer (at least a good chunk of it) out here wouldn't surprise me at all. Niños tend to favor warm western summers. But anyone can admit the continent-spanning torch on those maps is pretty ridiculous.

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A warm-ish summer (at least a good chunk of it) out here wouldn't surprise me at all. Niños tend to favor warm western summers. But anyone can admit the continent-spanning torch on those maps is pretty ridiculous.


I totally agree that the coverage of above seasonal temps is likely way overdone. I did find it interesting that it seems to be showing the warm western summer and active monsoon season that others have been mentioning as a possibility.

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Thanks... most of the credit goes to my wife.  
 
Biggest pet peeve I have about the PNW... some people really care about how their property looks but a huge percentage of the population does not care at all.   In Minnesota... even most modest homes are well maintained with manicured yards.    Its part of the culture there to take pride in your home and yard.    Its not about money... its about taking pride in ownership.


It seems that my neighborhood has kind of gone downhill over the last 15 years or so, as far as property up keep. At my new house, I am the first person on the street to have mowed their lawn. The property, only 1/4 acre is mostly lawn in poor shape with a dozen or so overgrown un-pruned shrubs. Hopefully in the next couple years it will be the nicest on the street. My goal is to keep it simple and low maintenance but still make it interesting and colorful during the growing season.

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I totally agree that the coverage of above seasonal temps is likely way overdone. I did find it interesting that it seems to be showing the warm western summer and active monsoon season that others have been mentioning as a possibility.


Yeah, that is a fairly typical +ENSO outlook. I will take a warm summer with an active monsoon. Maybe it will be like 1985 where we have a hot June/July followed by dramatically cooler from August onward.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 08:42 AM

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One thing is certain, we are way overdue for a "classic" cool summer. It has been since at least 1999, maybe even 1993. 2010 and 2011 were on the cool side but nowhere near some of the biggies.

I think we will see one of those sometime in the next 3-4 years, once the current Niño fades and we go into a muti-year Nina with low solar activity and the -PDO regime continuing.
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Posted 10 April 2014 - 08:48 AM

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Starting to get a strong indication of a significantly wet period later next week.



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 08:53 AM

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I can tell you that missed-inversions are not the reason the ECMWF constantly runs way warm across the globe at the end of its monthly outlook. It rarely predicts cold anomalies anywhere after month 3.

..... Bogus radiative transfer physics and convective parameterizations are the reason it cannot forecast temperatures, which artificially perturbs the simulated global circulations towards its later months..in error of course..

 

 

There are others, even more basic.


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One thing is certain, we are way overdue for a "classic" cool summer. It has been since at least 1999, maybe even 1993. 2010 and 2011 were on the cool side but nowhere near some of the biggies.

I think we will see one of those sometime in the next 3-4 years, once the current Niño fades and we go into a muti-year Nina with low solar activity and the -PDO regime continuing.

 

 

Take out two very hot weeks from the summer of 2010 and it was a drizzly, marine layer mess up here.    

 

Even days that ended up looking decent in the record books... took FOREVER to clear up.    So many days that summer it was crappy and cold as hell into the early afternoon and then the sun would break out at 4 p.m. for a couple hours and make the day look much better statistically than it was living through it.   

 

Ultimately... those types of summers will eventually force us to move because they will continue to happen.   It was a hopeless depressing feeling waiting for a couple hours of sun breaks each day.   Not just me.   A few families around us moved away from the region entirely... directly as a result of that spring and summer.   My wife (who is more tolerant than me of bad weather) broke down crying a few times that year and that has never happened EVER over the weather.       



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 09:02 AM

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1993 and 1999 were back end summers.

 

In 1999... it turned pretty decent around July 5th.    From 7/5-10/24 it only rained 21 out of 112 days at my location.    

 

That means there was 91 out of 112 dry days... not bad.   Although it was never really warm... mostly in the 70s and low 80s

 

1993 was a horror show through July.    In fact July of 1993 was a complete nightmare.    Although that was a crazy summer all over the place... the flooding in the Midwest was epic and record smashing.    

 

August and September of 1993 were actually very nice though... so there was some semblance of summer that year for awhile.    



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 09:06 AM

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Only a politically motivated whack job can miss 200 square miles of cold.


… It's all a giant conspiracy then, huh "Phil".

Or have you meant as opposed to the "non" politically motivated whack jobs. ?
 
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Posted 10 April 2014 - 09:38 AM

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Strange configuration of warmer water in the ENSO region... seems centered unusually far north compared to a typical Nino.

 

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Strange configuration of warmer water in the ENSO region... seems centered unusually far north compared to a typical Nino.
http://www.ospo.noaa...t.4.10.2014.gif


I'm confused. What are you saying more specifically here Tim. ?

There doesn't appear to be anything, more "centered", anywhere on this map, apart from the NNE sitting gyre within the Northern Gulf of Alaska.
 
http://www.ospo.noaa.../anim_full.html


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I'm confused. What are you saying more specifically here Tim. ?

There doesn't appear to be anything, more "centered", anywhere on this map, apart from the NNE sitting gyre within the Northern Gulf of Alaska.
 
http://www.ospo.noaa.../anim_full.html

 

 

Here is what I think of as a normal Nino configuration in the ENSO region... warm water centered over the equator.

 

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The current configuration is different in the ENSO region... warmer water to the north of the equator and cooler to the south:

 

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 10:23 AM

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(.. routing to the main ENSO thread.)

http://theweatherfor...thread/?p=24818

 

.. Your posts both here above, copied in there in full. Along with my response to your post most recent here.


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 12:33 PM

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Here is what I think of as a normal Nino configuration in the ENSO region... warm water centered over the equator.

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The current configuration is different in the ENSO region... warmer water to the north of the equator and cooler to the south:

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Haha, almost looks like an SST sandwich at the equator. We've seen a temporary resurgence of the trade winds, and OHC is declining as a result.

Next week, a new round of WWBs is possible, though maybe not as strong as the last round which set off the giant KW.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 05:43 PM

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This April has been awesome so far. 


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This April has been awesome so far.


No doubt...lite frost this morning. Great view of Mt. Hood. Kids and dog soaking it in.

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Haha, almost looks like an SST sandwich at the equator. We've seen a temporary resurgence of the trade winds, and OHC is declining as a result.

Next week, a new round of WWBs is possible, though maybe not as strong as the last round which set off the giant KW.

 

We are obviously in a very crucial window right now regarding factors that are going to determine how strong this Nino gets.  No question the atmosphere has been unfavorable for the surfacing Kelvin wave to have any impact so far.


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Total Snowfall = 12.4"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 12

Total Hail = 0.3"

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 63

Highs 32 or below = 1

Lows 20 or below = 6

Highs 40 or below = 15

 

 


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 06:38 PM

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It's a tough one though because we have the solar signal competing with the tropical signal..to criminally simplify it. I think the tropics will win out given solar forcing is in-between and chaotic, but the stratosphere suggests a good portion of the central/eastern US may see a cooler summer.

The 1960s are calling. I don't think it'll be this cold, but the possibility is there:

 

 

 

The mid 1960s to early 1970s had some of our best El Nino winters on record here.  I would love to see something like 1968-69 or even 1965-66 or 1972-73.


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Winter 2018-19 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 12.4"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 12

Total Hail = 0.3"

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 63

Highs 32 or below = 1

Lows 20 or below = 6

Highs 40 or below = 15

 

 


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As some of you may have noticed I'm a mod now.  Be ready for me to crack the whip! :o


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Death To Warm Anomalies!

 

Winter 2018-19 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 12.4"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 12

Total Hail = 0.3"

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 63

Highs 32 or below = 1

Lows 20 or below = 6

Highs 40 or below = 15

 

 


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 08:09 PM

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The latest GFGS looks excellent for a crisp and dry weekend.  Saturday night looks like an absolute bet for frost in many places.


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Winter 2018-19 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 12.4"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 12

Total Hail = 0.3"

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 63

Highs 32 or below = 1

Lows 20 or below = 6

Highs 40 or below = 15

 

 


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 08:32 PM

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We are obviously in a very crucial window right now regarding factors that are going to determine how strong this Nino gets. No question the atmosphere has been unfavorable for the surfacing Kelvin wave to have any impact so far.


Yep the next 8 weeks will give us the reveal, so to speak..though in reality the system started preparing for this Niño response back in summer 2011, when I first predicted it.

Now that it's become obvious, people are hyping it up like nothing I've seen before.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 08:36 PM

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Yep the next 8 weeks will give us the reveal, so to speak..though in reality the system started preparing for this Niño response back in summer 2011, when I first predicted it.
Now that it's become obvious, people are hyping it up like nothing I've seen before.


Don't be so self absorbed.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 08:51 PM

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Don't be so self absorbed.

 

 

He has some right to brag about calling this potential El Nino assuming it really materializes...which I think it will at least to some extent.


Death To Warm Anomalies!

 

Winter 2018-19 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 12.4"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 12

Total Hail = 0.3"

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 63

Highs 32 or below = 1

Lows 20 or below = 6

Highs 40 or below = 15

 

 


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 09:04 PM

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Don't be so self absorbed.


Sorry. I guess that came off the wrong way.

I'm not the only one who predicted it. My colleagues were on the same page.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 09:34 PM

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Don't be so self absorbed.

 
.. a "good" try. But you should perhaps also have thought to mention his colleges.
 

He has some right to brag about calling this potential El Nino assuming it really materializes...which I think it will at least to some extent.

 
Kind of mixing a few different tenses here Jim. ? .. Maybe if you were to have begun with the main more prepositional phase, "Assuming it materializes, ... 

 

But then again, maybe so should "Phil" have. 


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 09:36 PM

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Sorry. I guess that came off the wrong way.

I'm not the only one who predicted it. My colleagues were on the same page.

 

How is the debate going between you and your wife for where you will move...Central WA vs the Coast?  I would bet dollars to donuts she would be much happier in Central WA.  I don't think anyone who hasn't seen the WA Coast in the winter could possibly understand how bleak it is.


Death To Warm Anomalies!

 

Winter 2018-19 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 12.4"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 12

Total Hail = 0.3"

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 63

Highs 32 or below = 1

Lows 20 or below = 6

Highs 40 or below = 15

 

 


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 10:01 PM

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How is the debate going between you and your wife for where you will move...Central WA vs the Coast? I would bet dollars to donuts she would be much happier in Central WA. I don't think anyone who hasn't seen the WA Coast in the winter could possibly understand how bleak it is.

She says she's tired of the mountains, and given that we've been living on a ridge for 17 years, I promised her she'd have final say next time we moved. Regretting it now, but I did prohibit SoCal and the OR/CA coasts..so at least I won't be suicidal if I end up on the coast.

I'm going to do my best to sway her toward Park City UT or Chelan, WA. Beautiful areas.

The reason we're moving is mostly climate and economy-related. We want to get away from the humid summers, and cloudy, snowy winters.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 10:03 PM

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Reading the last five pages hahaha

Who cares who said what first in the models? I just don't get it... Why does Jesse always gotta pick a fight about the dumbest stuff? If you don't like someone's post just ingore it. But seeing him whine about models and someone else saying this first or not liking rain or what not has gotten so sick the last 6 months or less I've been a member and I don't even like coming on here reading him complain 24/7. Eventurally he has to be called out. Stop picking fights. We all love weather just some of us like different things and look at it in a different prespective.
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2013/2014 Winter season
Coldest Low: 14 F December 7th
Coldest High: 27.3 F December 7th
Coldest Wind chill: 5 F December 7th
Lowest Dew Point: -2.2 F December 6th
Days below freezing: 5
Total Snowfall: 11 inches
Most snowfall in a Day: 8 inches
Days With Snow: 3

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 10:15 PM

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.. The discussion does get a tad particular here in this thread at times. And with this, it's also sometimes difficult to find to appreciate just where the value is in whatever exchange. But there's usually some I've found, in even the most obscure bandying back and forth of whatever idea.
 
The one comment that I would have, relative to yours here above "Weather101", is that it would, be nice some times, to see more connection to a more academic evaluationeven appreciationof whatever idea. This as opposed to different themes appearing at times to be being just more thrashed around. 
 
Quite a bit of the time I've found, here where perusing through the different main monthly thread/s connected to the PNW, that what I would call "conversation" more, suffices for "discussion". 


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 06:06 AM

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Beautiful morning out here. Clear with a low of 39.

 

Had a 63/39 spread yesterday.