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Better hope it doesn’t decide to relax for December like it normally does.

If the 3 week rules apply over the BSR, it won't relax. I haven't saw any indicators it would relax at all, which goes against even my own assessment that it would relax. Add in a stratwarming event plus a CP Niño developing, cool waters off Baja, warm NE PAC, a tendency to go -NAO, and you're basically writing out the winter.

Will be interesting to watch the pattern over the next 5 days. Especially the Bering Sea low area to see how long that persists.

 

These cold waves have been coming one-after-another since the first week of October.

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I don't know.  GRR says NO big storms the next couple weeks, a couple clippers with rain/snow.  NW flow, but nothing like NOV of 2014.  they say accumulations are unlikely.  

Hopefully, it changes.

Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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GRR has a "kitchen sink" day for wx here:

 

Occasional Showers, Some Downpours with Small Hail or Snow Pellets and Perhaps a Lightning Strike

 

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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Yeah, Euro brings my first legit snow chance Thursday..hmm

 

attachicon.gif20191102 0zEuro for 11-7 3pm.PNG

I like the way that solid snow is right in mby. Awesome! :)

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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CMC putting together a much stronger and colder Thursday system.

gem_mslp_pcpn_frzn_us_21.png

Impressive! :D

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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Get your bags packed and get going amigo!  :P  (watch it happen)

:huh: :wacko:

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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Better hope it doesn’t decide to relax for December like it normally does.

Exactly, that is what I fear of.

Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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November’s around my area of Central Nebraska are usually pretty boring. Lots of up and down temps but never really that snowy. Three particular November blizzards or large snowstorms happened in 1983, 2000, and 2005. Winter of 83-84 and 2000-2001 were epic.

2000 has been on my analog list for a good while.

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Interesting, I recall 83-84 and 2000 winters in Texas as snowy.

83-84 was very cold here all winter. Stock tanks froze hard enough to walk on.

Before You Diagnose Yourself With Depression or Low Self-Esteem,...First Make Sure You Are Not In Fact, Just Surrounded By A$$holes.

“If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell.”  Gen. Sheridan 1866

2018 Rainfall - 62.65" High Temp. - 110.03* Low Temp. - 8.4*

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Interesting, I recall 83-84 and 2000 winters in Texas as snowy.

83-84 was very cold here all winter. Stock tanks froze hard enough to walk on.

Unbelievable winters here also. December of 83’ still in the record books for the consecutive days with temps that never rose above 0. We had a 10 day stretch of cold weather before and after Christmas that was legendary.

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You just reminded me of a Saturday my dad and I had to drive to the plant and install new veins in a water circulation pump or the pipes would freeze and break.

 

It was 5* at like 3 in the afternoon. Darn cold winter.

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Before You Diagnose Yourself With Depression or Low Self-Esteem,...First Make Sure You Are Not In Fact, Just Surrounded By A$$holes.

“If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell.”  Gen. Sheridan 1866

2018 Rainfall - 62.65" High Temp. - 110.03* Low Temp. - 8.4*

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GFS wants to sink some ships on L Superior. When was the last time any model showed a 959mb in the upper Midwest?

 

GFS seems to go bonkers with a system about once an autumn but I could only find the one from 2016 that got that low, and that was technically Canada, not the midwest.

 

20161130 GFS 0z 234hr Surf-b.PNG

 

I found several more but the lowest of those was a 969 mb

 

Therefore, fwiw, your question remains valid and unanswered  :lol:

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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18z ICON picking up on the late-week potential. Matter of timing of the two branches as to whether this can happen or not. Nice to see more than one model thinking it has a shot tho. 

 

20191102 18zICON h120.png

 

 

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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Attm, it is 36F under a crystal clear nite.

 

Was up in Lansing area this afternoon. Grey skies spitting on/off mix. Windchill meant business too courtesy of the Clipper passing north of the Lakes. These Clipper Trains like we see this week are going to be awesome once the temps get low enough to be all snow. Hit some serious cells that in winter would need a "Squall Warning". When's your Beantown trip anyways?

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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18z ICON picking up on the late-week potential. Matter of timing of the two branches as to whether this can happen or not. Nice to see more than one model thinking it has a shot tho. 

 

attachicon.gif20191102 18zICON h120.png

Looks like a decent amt of moisture.

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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Was up in Lansing area this afternoon. Grey skies spitting on/off mix. Windchill meant business too courtesy of the Clipper passing north of the Lakes. These Clipper Trains like we see this week are going to be awesome once the temps get low enough to be all snow. Hit some serious cells that in winter would need a "Squall Warning". When's your Beantown trip anyways?

Not sure yet...sometime in November. :unsure:

Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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This is my last morning in Marquette. Picked up a couple tenths of lake effect, making this my first true experience with lake effect. 25°F.

 

:huh:  Thought you said you grew up in the Mitt? Did I miss something?

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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GFS seems to go bonkers with a system about once an autumn but I could only find the one from 2016 that got that low, and that was technically Canada, not the midwest.

 

attachicon.gif20161130 GFS 0z 234hr Surf-b.PNG

 

I found several more but the lowest of those was a 969 mb

 

Therefore, fwiw, your question remains valid and unanswered  :lol:

Thanks for looking that up Jaster! The GFS was off it’s rocker on that run.

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NOAA:

 

The encore continues through the mid week period with yet
another wave of low pressure Wednesday that is very similar to the
Monday system. This is just another short wave moving into the area
within the long wave upper level trough that remains firmly in place
east of the Rockies. The series of low pressure systems keeps
weather active and temperatures below normal through the mid to late
week period.

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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NOAA:

 

The encore continues through the mid week period with yet

another wave of low pressure Wednesday that is very similar to the

Monday system. This is just another short wave moving into the area

within the long wave upper level trough that remains firmly in place

east of the Rockies. The series of low pressure systems keeps

weather active and temperatures below normal through the mid to late

week period.

 

No kidding. 0z GFS has a parade of (5) shortwaves/clippers diving down and swinging through the GL's. Ofc being early November almost nothing comes of it snow-wise. A month later in December and bingo! we'd have an active stretch of stacking flakes. Hopefully it dries enough so I can cut my grass later today. Won't be any evening daylight going forward now. 

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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Good morning. Yesterday Grand Rapids seen a mix of weather conditions. There was some sun (not much) several heavy hail/snow/rain showers some on the hail/snow showers had light acclamations here at my house. The H/L was 43/35, there was 0.33” of total precip with a T of snow fall at GRR. For today the average H/L is 53/37. The record high is 76 set in 2015 and the record low is 17 set in 1951. The record snow fall amount is 10.4” in 1991. That year the high of November 3rd was just 23 and of course we had a lot of lake effect snow that day. Last year the H/L was 48/36.

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Good morning. Yesterday Grand Rapids seen a mix of weather conditions. There was some sun (not much) several heavy hail/snow/rain showers some on the hail/snow showers had light acclamations here at my house. The H/L was 43/35, there was 0.33” of total precip with a T of snow fall at GRR. For today the average H/L is 53/37. The record high is 76 set in 2015 and the record low is 17 set in 1951. The record snow fall amount is 10.4” in 1991. That year the high of November 3rd was just 23 and of course we had a lot of lake effect snow that day. Last year the H/L was 48/36.

 

That was my 2nd autumn in Traverse and must've been the year that my leafs fell the last week of October only to get buried when that LES event took place immediately after. Never got the thick blanket of leafs off my grass and it sat there all winter doing no good to a fragile "lawn" (if you could call it that). That taught me not to presume I would find a sunny and dry weekend every autumn to get my yard ready for winter. If a nice day showed up, I'd take the afternoon off work even to take advantage and get them leafs raked up.  

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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CMC putting together a much stronger and colder Thursday system.

gem_mslp_pcpn_frzn_us_21.png

 

0z continues the theme

 

20191103 0zCMC h114.png

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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Real snooze fest around here for the foreseeable future. NW flow sucks as it’s alternating nice and then cold, dry, and windy usually. Just what I hate, cold and dry. At least not everything is brown and bare yet....

 

I might have missed this somewhere but did anyone see Pivotalweather has a hi-res Euro model now? It’s pretty sweet!

https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=ecmwf_full

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Before You Diagnose Yourself With Depression or Low Self-Esteem,...First Make Sure You Are Not In Fact, Just Surrounded By A$$holes.

“If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell.”  Gen. Sheridan 1866

2018 Rainfall - 62.65" High Temp. - 110.03* Low Temp. - 8.4*

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Not much sunshine today w temps still in the 30s. Its a blustery, cold, breezy November day.

Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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Real snooze fest around here for the foreseeable future. NW flow sucks as it’s alternating nice and then cold, dry, and windy usually. Just what I hate, cold and dry. At least not everything is brown and bare yet....

 

I might have missed this somewhere but did anyone see Pivotalweather has a hi-res Euro model now? It’s pretty sweet!

https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=ecmwf_full

Wow. It even has predicted snowfall. Thanks for the find.

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Just finished up the 1st round of raking/cleaning the backyard. Popped inside to eat a hot bowl of fresh soup I made earlier in the morning to warm up and re-energize the batteries. Still have the front yard to get to. It seems like this year the leaves fell off a lot quicker than in recent years. I’d say my trees are about 60% bare today and in about 2 weeks or less they’ll all be gone. If that’s the case, then this would be around the Top 3 fastest “leaf down”, esp considering it’s before Thanksgiving.

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