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5 hours ago, Phil said:
I always pull all nighters during major nocturnal wx events. Haven’t had to do that this winter, though.
This winter has been borning not only on the lack of snow but the lack of wind events which is unusal for La ninas as it one thing we do well in with La ninas are big wind events.
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5 hours ago, Phil said:
Oh yeah I saw this torch coming a mile away. Should be one of the warmest Februaries on record here. Am still predicting we’ll hit mid/upper 70s at some point, and quite possibly challenge our all time record high for the month.
Then March we will likey have our biggest snow event of the winter I can very much see that happening as well to add to the Joke of winter 2022-2023.I mean lets be honest this winter is about as comerica as it can get.
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2 minutes ago, Phil said:
Been more like 2001/02 or 2005/06 out this way. To date this is easily the worst winter I can remember in terms of snowfall.
As bad as it is at least the northeast is suffering through it as well and it not just our suffering,
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2 minutes ago, Phil said:
New EPS weeklies projecting a much more coherent MJO/intraseasonal component in the tropical circulation. Possibly driven by the demise of the PV/acceleration of the BDC.
Also suggests the La Niña base state is/will be losing its grip on the system state evolution. Whether or not that actually happens is still TBD, obviously.
This would be the classic winter where we get our biggest storm in March it just has that feel to it.
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3 hours ago, Phil said:
If there was a meaningful SSW on the horizon, you know I would be all over it, haha.
There is nothing about the pattern going forward that will augment wave driving in a manner that will threaten the PV. It’s just not going to happen. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but some things are out of our control as wishcasters.
The one good thing is next winter can not get any worse as this is about as worse rock bottom as you can get.so we can only go up after this debacle over the next few years.
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23 minutes ago, Phil said:
We all make mistakes. At least a couple of my screwups are famous on here and will never leave me.
But alas, I think he is jumping the gun. There’s currently nothing to indicate an El Niño will develop in 2023.
Now, the WPAC is certainly locked and loaded. Thermocline is very suppressed out there. If a strong MJO wave were to cross the dateline sometime in F/M/A, then suddenly an El Niño becomes more likely, if not probable.
But present boundary conditions are working against that. The tropical circulation is thoroughly coupled to the La Niña event, and the +QBO/stable tropics are keeping a lid on the MJO.
Agreed I think the truth is no matter how many ids one has mother nature will still kick you in the but at times and this winter has kicked many.Also it human nature to not like to be wrong and alot of times we can be stubborn in admitting that we were wrong lol.I also think there is still many things in the climate system that we don't really know and it those unknowns alot of times that screws up forecasted ideas.which will then leave us saying yep back to the drawing board again ☺.I think with LC he been going by models which has clearly been rushing things with the enso and he adminted the delays of the models has frustrated him.I think your idea Phil is what makes the most sense a slower trainstion.
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1 hour ago, snow_wizard said:
And speaking of strange. There are people just taking it for granted the Nina is done and will transition into a Nino. Absolutely no clear sign of that happening as of now.
Larry Cosgrove has been ending La nina since the summer those does admints it been slower.
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22 minutes ago, Phil said:
Who is doing that? The tropical circulation is as La Niña heavy as it’s been since last spring (and +QBO will try to keep it this way).
Larry Cosgrove is doing that still going with El nino in the summer.He was ending La nina this winter those like Larry but he clearly been off this winter after he had one of the best forecasting calls in the summer and hurricane season.
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15 hours ago, Phil said:
If the walker cell still looks like this in 5-6 weeks, I think we can safely put to rest any notion of an El Niño transition this year.
Most years that transitioned were building Indo-Pacific WWB activity by this point, and by Feb/Mar the western flank of the walker cell tends to be displaced significantly eastward.
And none of the borderline cases were full blown +QBO during the late winter/early spring season.
This looks like a healthy La Niña circulation.
As good as a promet Larry Cosgrove is he really got burned by his consistent idea of La nina going away and El nino starting.I still wonder what he saw back in the summer and fall that made him go in that drection .He is still going with the El nino coming on this summer.
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22 hours ago, snow_wizard said:
That will take care itself as the pattern evolves.
Larry Cosgrove wrote this on his Weather America newsletter last night
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2 hours ago, Phil said:
You know it’s been a loser winter when a 20 second snow flurry grabs your attention. Haha.
Literally the 3rd best snow “event” so far this winter here. I’ve got maybe 0.1” total from all 3 snow showers combined.
Only other winters that were *this* bad (to date) in my lifetime are 1997/98, 2006/07, and 2012/13. Even 2011/12 had multiple accumulating snowfalls by now.
Both 2006/07 and 2012/13 got better in Feb/Mar. 1997/98 was a suckfest all the way through, finished with < 1”. Hope to not repeat that.
The truth promets need to call for a warmer less snower winter then we will get hammered as there calls for cold snowy winters have not been to good.
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49 minutes ago, Phil said:
I’d take that. Though February is usually a difficult month here during La Niña. I’m banking on March.
Interisting that Larry Cosgrove and Justin Berk both went cold snowy herr for febuary which gos against the La nina climo but then again they both went for the not typical La nina winter idea so we will see.
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28 minutes ago, Phil said:
Yeah, though I’m not certain El Niño will develop this year. Could be a multiyear transition out of this La Niña and into El Niño. Analogous to the transitions from 2000/01-2002/03 and 1955/56-1957/58.
Very possable it has to be frustrating to be a promet trying to sort this all out with models constantly showing El nino only to be delayed I think that's what burned Cosgrove he went with Data ending la nina to soon.
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6 hours ago, Phil said:
This.
March will probably be the best “winter” month here.
I like Larry Cosgrove but He really got kicked by mother nature this winter.Hopefuly We go Weak to moderate El nino this summer an El nino with East Qbo would be the best winter potential since 2009-2010 2002-2003.
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8 hours ago, Phil said:
Easy to finish a winter with only ~ 4” total here. It’s always very feast or famine. But to my knowledge we’ve never had a truly “snowless” winter. At least not yet..I’m sure it’ll happen eventually.
Believe it or not this upcoming pattern is the best “snow” pattern we’ve had so far this winter, even though it’s a warmer one. Just need a low to track in right spot without occluding, and it’ll snow.
I also think febuary may surprise I don't think we are done with this winter despite the cancels group I have seen a few cases where we went from one extream to the other way for a few week's
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20 hours ago, clintbeed1993 said:
The raging NINA is the problem. The SOI was on the verge of going negative in early December, had it done so we would have a much better winter going on right now. Really sad
Larry Cosgrove is getting attack on by alot of people because he went for a cold stormy winter.
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Larry Cosgrove American weather write up
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9 hours ago, Phil said:
Euro/CMC made ugly moves today, looks more like a lakes cutter. Haven’t seen a single snowflake yet this winter, so I’m gonna be very salty if models don’t swing back to a coastal.
Especially when Some like Larry Cosgrove has been so on board with the cold ice and snow threats those to be fair I get why he been on board but unfortunately when it fails in the end your be accused of over hyping when that was not the contention. It just gos to show no matter how great of a pro degreed met you our mother nature can and will kick your but and throw a cerve ball and humble you at times.I also think the models are having trouble determind the outcomed this I'm not sure I'm sold on any solution just yet need a few more days.
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4 hours ago, Phil said:
Had a rain/sleet mix for ~ 20mins upon precip onset thanks to evaporative cooling.
Now a chilly rain with temps hovering in the upper 30s/low 40s.
Cosgrove has been nailing it so far hopefully he continues to be right this winter and it a good one.
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5 hours ago, Phil said:
Larry Cosgrove is very bullish on this winter he been talking about it both on twitter and facebook
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4 hours ago, Phil said:
It looks like my grandmother is going to pass today. She fell & broke her hip/shoulder over the weekend, and never really recovered from the anesthesia post-surgery. Am really appreciating the value of family and human life today.
Sorry to here that always keep those memories Phil she will continue to be with you inside your heart.It was hard when my Mom pass away a few years ago very suddenly.
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https://itsrainmakingtime.com/robert-felix-joe-daleo-dr-tim-ball-true-inquiry-climate-and-weather/ Robert Felix along with Joe Daleo and Dr Tim Ball all togeather a rare moment.
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6 hours ago, Phil said:
I’m kind of afraid we’re blowing our load here in Sep/Oct, then come Nov/Dec things flip and I end up stuck under a giant ridge for 6 weeks.
According to Larry Cosgrove he is very hype up about the November through febuary potential sure hope he on to something he has been very good with forecasting as of late.
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6 hours ago, Phil said:
I don’t think that’s a given just yet. Will depend on wind forcing over the Indo-Pacific (IE: any WWBs and resulting downwelling OKWs).
That why I think over the summer Larry Cosgrove was so against the La nina talk He was clearly going by the Data and was not going by what was going on in real time which is surpising as he is normally pro on real time stuff then Data.He has sifted his stance that this La nina is not acting typical.Dispite the enso difference idea wise He has been nailing the pattern.
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El Niño and La Niña multi-year events more common?
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What interesting is sort term El nino has a warming effect long term El nino system has a cooling tendency.Same with La nina sort term it has a leveling off cooling effect but long term in a La nina system it tends to go along with warming cycles climate as oppose to cooling cycles.