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On 12/8/2020 at 7:06 PM, Jesse said:

Snow was probably helpful to hunting. At least in moderation. It's a little harder to move around in but prints make it way easier to track prey.

Would the snow muffle environmental sounds that would give you away?

On 12/8/2020 at 7:55 PM, BLI snowman said:

In case you're interested, here is Fort Steilacoom (1849-1868)

WA_Fort_Steilacoom.data.csv 354.84 kB · 2 downloads

And Fort Vancouver (1849-1868, plus 1891-92)

WA_Fort_Vancouver.data.csv 729.23 kB · 1 download

What does Thar 15,91 and 21 means where the numbers are below?

On 12/12/2020 at 4:15 PM, Scott said:

The benches get more snow, but are also  warmer at night and much sunnier.

On the coldest nights, it can be up to 15 degrees warmer on the benches.  Plus the benches had more firewood available.

I didn't think it would be THAT wild of a swing just 500 feet difference to 1,000 at the highest from the 'valley' floor?

38 minutes ago, Phil said:

True. But the wave-1 axis is improving w/ more Eurasian warming. Which is also (statistically) the most favorable wave-1/wave-2 transition structure to precede cold outbreaks in the West.

Whether it verifies or not is another story.

What kind of surfboard do I need and is wave 1 or 2 better to catch?Catch A Wave (Stereo/Remastered 2001) - YouTube which is the tune to  Sidewalk Surfin' (Remastered 1990/Stereo Remix) - YouTube

5 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

Helloooo!

We're you trying to imitate Tigger there?

 when Pooh was hunting for Jaguars?  Helllllooooooooooooooo!

3 hours ago, Omegaraptor said:

Not the PNW, but a pretty big chinook wind event seems to be happening tomorrow. Could see 70°F in South Dakota.

How does that feel to the residents there? Does it feel nice or unusually hot like how we think of 95F in the summer as hot?

It's weird how despite  low sun angles December is often (and especially lately) a ridge month.

23 hours ago, Deweydog said:

1997-98 was better than both.

We didn't get ANY snow in that one!

So are you guys sure this isn't an El Nino as it's behaving like one.

Just now, Brian_in_Leavenworth said:

Actually the GFS has not been showing much cold at day 10.  Not for awhile.  

That's when it will happen! Of course! Thanks for the heads up.

3 hours ago, Meatyorologist said:

Oh man, GFS might be going places. *might*....

A one way trip to the rubbish bin.

3 hours ago, snow_wizard said:

things are looking interesting at day 10 on the GFS.  Lots of blocking trying to set up.

There we go again! Day ten and the Garbage Forecasting System. I'd bet my bank on the Euro instead of wish casting. The amount of 10 day'ers we should've had a LOT more cold then we have had.

19 hours ago, Scott said:

In the Salt Lake Valley it is said that the Native Americans would migrate to the benches in the winter in order to avoid the fog on the valley floor.

I've been to the Benches and they get twice as much snow as the airport down by the lake.  What do you mean by migrating up there what would they do and where did they go?  Also how's Grand Junction against long foggy episodes?

6 hours ago, snow_wizard said:

I have detailed weather records for the Tacoma area from the mid 19th century and there were indeed long fog episodes back then just like we get now.

Where are the weather records? I'd like to see them somehow?

Also which winter effected schools the most for your area?

For us 1998 was a dry but cold winter in Silverton but we got more snow in 1999 thru 2000 but not much cold.  I think mid to late January we had a sloppy 2 inch event where we closed school for a day maybe 2 days even? I just remember being surprised at people's reactions to how easily schools closed and Salem only had a 2 hour delay.  Which schools do you recall tending to be tougher or whimpy when closing/delays are called out and how much snow do you remember in 1999 thru 2000?

9 hours ago, Chewbacca Defense said:

 

I think that is more of a Southeastern states thing.  I think they are a little less likely to cancel as you progress further north.  Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, North Carolina, and South Carolina are borderline getting frozen precip to begin with, especially in the lowlands, so there is almost always a thick layer of ice in the mix.  The higher elevations are usually very sparsely populated, so they do not have the budget for the equipment.  In the lowlands, it just does not happen enough to justify the investment in the equipment.  I can remember seeing graders from the local construction companies being used to plow the snow.  I tried to buy chains for my car once and could only find one set (they would not fit my car).  

I'm sure there are exceptions to my very broad generalizations, but you get the gist.  I got mocked pretty heavily when I first moved to Bellingham for my "OH MY GOD WE HAVE TO GET TO THE STORE AND GET HOME!!!" mentality when snow started to fall.  Thankfully I got over it pretty quick.

Doesn't Bellingham panic as the Seattle snow panic videos show?

23 minutes ago, puyallupjon said:

I wore shorts today and have been wearing shorts for weeks.

Put down some fertilizer on the grass today.  Balmy.  Low 50's.  Boy my grass is super green.

Probably have to mow again in a few weeks.

Even my daffodils are starting to pop up.

Days will be getting longer soon too.

Sun angles.

Our grass has been growing pretty moderate too and it's past time to mow.  It just wont' stop.    

58 minutes ago, kokaneekidz said:

Looks like the forecast for Mt Washington IMHO

EST gives the game away!

2 hours ago, dolt said:

By far, the most annoying drivers are the ones that move here from a flat as a pancake midwestern town. Herr Derr we never close schools where I come from unless it's 12" deep. Meanwhile, their town has dry snow that almost always has much better grip than the 3 or 4 inches of wet slop that we typically get here and often freezes overnight into a sheet of ice. Plus their town uses 3 cubic miles of salt per year to melt the snow and rust out their vehicles. Not to mention that they have about 3 snow plows for every 5 residents. 

Funny thing is rural schools even in the midwest tend to shut down or delay for the stupidest things which will be the few schools that show up on the list as closed while town schools stay open.  In fact in the old days they would always close while city schools worked hard staying open which it seemed if too many kids sneezed rural schools would shut!

2 minutes ago, DJ Droppin said:

The brief lull I was experiencing with gusts just 25-35mph+ is over now! WOw that last gust was so intense and came on sudden. No build up like usual. Just a big roar and BAM!

Was there suppose to be any east winds? Isn't a weak weather system coming tomorrow?

3 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

I have been been to the smokies or white mountains but they look beautiful in pictures. I have been to West Virgina and Eastern Kentucky. Pretty hilly. 

Why do schools out there delay or outright for the slightest patch of snow? I can't help but wonder if the bus driver's over there troll during their 4am road tests and purposely find that patch in the rural neighborhood and jiggle the wheel or do something stupid to claim "It's dangerous for kids!"

Every time it's been clear here we immediately sink to below freezing.

2 minutes ago, jakerepp said:

That's when you commute in your vehicle to a place of work and then actually do work at that place of work....I think.

It's been a while, I must say.

We used to call it the rat race!

8 minutes ago, AbbyJr said:

In other words, the chances of 2020/21 being a 1999/00 bust is very low?

I wouldn't exactly call 1999 a bust more like 1998-1999 was a bust with a promise of a blockbuster Xmas snow event which never even came close to fruition. All we got that winterw as moderate cold it got down to around 10F in Silverton.

  1999-2000 we had a 2 inch snow event that caused school to close in January of 2000.  NWS Now Data Salem Oregon has data on it though Silverton had a bit more. I think Salem only had a 2 hour delay and it was mostly the south and west hills of Salem that got anything good out of it.

17 minutes ago, Jesse said:

They say that god once smiled upon that fair valley Andrew 

You should've been there in the 90s. There was a LOT more shrubbery to the point you could NOT see the gift shop or any other facilities until you were upon them and you couldn't really tell where the heck you were in the park at any given point unless you were good at mental mapping.

  I thought things were farther apart then they actually are as in the 2000s the fire marshal ordered a bunch of crap cleared out unfortunately ruining that feeling though in this case I think it might have helped saved the park last September which is what they were worried about way back then.