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Fascists jail political opponents even with false evidence, this is exactly what the Democrats and Biden are trying to do on Trump! In normal cases, the supposed evidence should have come out by now, but something is off, which is that is they are trying to hold it back as much as possible and I'm not even sure why! Maybe if Trump becomes POTUS again they'll try to impeach him for a 3rd time!?

Fascists also believe in ruling by force and have no respect for democratic decision making.

You may not like the policies that the State of Illinois has chosen to try, but they are being implemented by lawmakers elected in free and fair elections and with public support.

And there is plenty of evidence that Trump actually did the things that he was impeached for. But fascists also believe that their führer or duce should be above all law, so of course they don't care.

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6 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Fascists also believe in ruling by force and have no respect for democratic decision making.

You may not like the policies that the State of Illinois has chosen to try, but they are being implemented by lawmakers elected in free and fair elections and with public support.

And there is plenty of evidence that Trump actually did the things that he was impeached for. But fascists also believe that their führer or duce should be above all law, so of course they don't care.

What if the supposed evidence was found to be altered or false?

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5 hours ago, Iceresistance said:

What if the supposed evidence was found to be altered or false?

 

4 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

What if reptilian shape-shifting overlords from outer space are found to be real?

Lol exactly.  The impeachment on Ukraine literally had a transcript of what happened. No one disagrees what was said.

And I shouldn't even have to explain the second one.

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23 hours ago, Iceresistance said:

I just did, I do understand why some that are not convicted should be released because of a crime they did NOT commit, but the time from jail to court is HORRIBLY slow! There is also fear that there are criminals who have yet to be convicted will be pit back on the streets, look at New York and California! Career Criminals are getting bolder because they KNOW that they can avoid jail time with $0 bond by committing certain crimes and the corrupt DAs let then get away with it! That is how criminals are getting bolder!

This is where George Soros is so insidious.  He donates millions to make sure these liberal loser DAs get elected.

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Omg Trump is such a sh$t show. 

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It appears that Trump had ZERO IDEA that he was a one of those who believed that the holocaust did happen. The false flag operation may have struck again on Trump!

 

Kanye West confirms he's running in 2024. 

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He didn’t do his homework or his helpers didn’t.  Bad idea. This dumb idea will stick. 
How anyone can still deny the holocaust is beyond me.  Some people wouldn’t believe it’s raining if they drowned in it.  
 

Kanye running?  That’s a “real formula for success”. 🤡

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18 hours ago, snow_wizard said:

This is where George Soros is so insidious.  He donates millions to make sure these liberal loser DAs get elected.

Soros recently confessed he thinks he’s God and fantasizes he destroys America. Also, admits he’s probably crazy.   Few would disagree with him.  
I hope to live to see him die.  

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15 minutes ago, Andie said:

He didn’t do his homework or his helpers didn’t.  Bad idea. This dumb idea will stick. 
How anyone can still deny the holocaust is beyond me.  Some people wouldn’t believe it’s raining if they drowned in it.  
 

Kanye running?  That’s a “real formula for success”. 🤡

Iran is the main denial, and we are scared of that out of fear it could repeat again! We cannot lose the history of the Holocaust, or it's doomed to repeat again. Just like the Civil War when it's history is being altered. 

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11 minutes ago, Andie said:

Soros recently confessed he thinks he’s God and fantasizes he destroys America. Also, admits he’s probably crazy.   Few would disagree with him.  
I hope to live to see him die.  

Dr Fauci may have confessed that masks are useless against the Cronavirus!

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I think most of the country knew that except for the wing nuts that continue to wear them while driving alone in their car!  
I barely wore mine. I think I obtained a good deal of herd immunity slowly that way.  Haven’t had so much as the sniffles. I’m going to get my flu shot. It may be a big season this year.  

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12 hours ago, Andie said:

He didn’t do his homework or his helpers didn’t.  Bad idea. This dumb idea will stick. 
How anyone can still deny the holocaust is beyond me.  Some people wouldn’t believe it’s raining if they drowned in it.  
 

Kanye running?  That’s a “real formula for success”. 🤡

Kanye ran in 2020 as well. I’m sure his 2024 campaign will be just as memorable.

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9 hours ago, Andie said:

I think most of the country knew that except for the wing nuts that continue to wear them while driving alone in their car!  
I barely wore mine. I think I obtained a good deal of herd immunity slowly that way.  Haven’t had so much as the sniffles. I’m going to get my flu shot. It may be a big season this year.  

I can't, I get sick from it. My entire family got sick from the flu vaccine in December 2012. Never got sick from the flu or anything related to it ever since!

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Protests erupt across China in unprecedented challenge to Xi Jinping’s zero-Covid policy

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/26/china/china-protests-xinjiang-fire-shanghai-intl-hnk/index.html

 

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Could this be the beginning of the end of Xi Jinping's rule? Or is it going to be 1988 all over again?

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We can hope. 
 

 

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I am sure whatever is being reported in China, reality is much worse.  Hopefully it is different than 1988.  I am not overly optimistic but social media does shine the light on some of that reality.  More people see it and it becomes harder to cover up.  Whether that leads to meaningful change?  Who knows?

Personally it'd be nice to see Xi take a swan dive out of a high up window.  A "Putin" if you will. 😈

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Interesting to see so many people with clashing views of domestic affairs, unite completely in agreement with the foreign policy of the US government and CIA every single time.

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Xi will just use his army to beat people back. Starving always helps. There’s nothing he won’t do to survive and gives us shades of Mao, his hero. 
People in China join their massive army to eat and have shelter. 

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On 11/24/2022 at 1:12 PM, Iceresistance said:

What if the supposed evidence was found to be altered or false?

It was.  They want to get Trump so bad they are acting like the KGB to try to make it happen.  Nobody will convince millions of Americans otherwise so the impasse continues I guess.

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What some of us knew from the very beginning:

Europe accuses US of profiting from war

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37 minutes ago, Reg said:

What some of us knew from the very beginning:

Europe accuses US of profiting from war

Also breaking: EU officials accuse water of being wet.

I don't think a single sane person would say that war is not profitable for certain entities.  That's a big DUH! 

But, the EU could, you know, uh, fight Putin by themselves.  Keep all that profit and all...🤑

That is one gripe I am totally with Trump on.  Europe needs to get their asses in gear and learn to fight their own battles.

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4 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

I don't think a single sane person would say that war is not profitable for certain entities.  That's a big DUH! 

But, the EU could, you know, uh, fight Putin by themselves.  Keep all that profit and all...🤑

That is one gripe I am totally with Trump on.  Europe needs to get their asses in gear and learn to fight their own battles.

The point I’m making is rather the fact that Europe is beginning to recognize that the US is bankrolling this war for as long as possible while ignoring the catastrophic economic damage it is causing to its EU allies, which US sanctions are a part of. The US isn’t profiting from this war just by coincidence. Also note how later in the article, EU officials surprisingly highlight the changing public opinion across Europe towards their governments’ stance towards the war. Good luck finding that reporting in US media, as it doesn’t fit the State Department narrative.

Few people point out that the United States, with its absolute power and massive global influence, made no attempt to prevent Russia from invading Ukraine whatsoever, which I believe was definitely something the US could have done but was not willing to sacrifice a fraction of its hegemony nor pass up an opportunity to fill the void left behind by Afghanistan just months prior. Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us of the power and influence of the military-industrial complex and you are seeing it in full display right now. This is why I call the Democrats just as much of a pro-war party as the Republicans. It never ceases, ever.

 

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33 minutes ago, Reg said:

The point I’m making is rather the fact that Europe is beginning to recognize that the US is bankrolling this war for as long as possible while ignoring the catastrophic economic damage it is causing to its EU allies, which US sanctions are a part of. The US isn’t profiting from this war just by coincidence. Also note how later in the article, EU officials surprisingly highlight the changing public opinion across Europe towards their governments’ stance towards the war. Good luck finding that reporting in US media, as it doesn’t fit the State Department narrative.

Few people point out that the United States, with its absolute power and massive global influence, made no attempt to prevent Russia from invading Ukraine whatsoever, which I believe was definitely something the US could have done but was not willing to sacrifice a fraction of its hegemony nor pass up an opportunity to fill the void left behind by Afghanistan just months prior. Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us of the power and influence of the military-industrial complex and you are seeing it in full display right now. This is why I call the Democrats just as much of a pro-war party as the Republicans. It never ceases, ever.

Understood.  I am very aware of the U.S. military industrial complex.  Personally, I am for cutting half the defense budget and putting all those tech jobs to better use for us at home.  Other leading countries need to step up and handle their own spheres of influence with less U.S. intervention.  That will never happen though.  We won't let it due to blanks checks from Washington and TONS of money involved, and EU countries do not want to budget for it.

Having said that, you mentioned that the U.S. "made no attempt to prevent Russia from invading Ukraine whatsoever" and that our involvement is hurting the EU economically.  Could you expand on how we could have dealt with Russia in a more effective manner prior to the invasion?  What should we have done?  What did the EU do to prevent it?  Also, since the article you posted states that there are many heads in the EU furious at us, what should we do differently now?

I am clearly not a military expert, but it seems to me that Europe became just a weeeeee bit to dependent on cheap Russian gas in recent decades without a serious viable backup plan.  Nuclear = Bad.  Gas from murderous regime = good.  Now they want to complain about prices?  What if the U.S. did not get involved?  Would they have let Russia annex all of Ukraine to keep the gas flowing cheaply?  How would they have played this?  I am truly all ears.

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11 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

I don't think a single sane person would say that war is not profitable for certain entities.  That's a big DUH! 

But, the EU could, you know, uh, fight Putin by themselves.  Keep all that profit and all...🤑

That is one gripe I am totally with Trump on.  Europe needs to get their asses in gear and learn to fight their own battles.

Absolutely.   
Europe has been our useless son-in-law that eats your food, borrows your car, then divorces your daughter leaving her with a couple of kids.   
In other words a useless POS.  
Outside of tourism they really don’t do a great deal.   

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7 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

Having said that, you mentioned that the U.S. "made no attempt to prevent Russia from invading Ukraine whatsoever" and that our involvement is hurting the EU economically.  Could you expand on how we could have dealt with Russia in a more effective manner prior to the invasion?  What should we have done?  What did the EU do to prevent it?  Also, since the article you posted states that there are many heads in the EU furious at us, what should we do differently now?

I am clearly not a military expert, but it seems to me that Europe became just a weeeeee bit to dependent on cheap Russian gas in recent decades without a serious viable backup plan.  Nuclear = Bad.  Gas from murderous regime = good.  Now they want to complain about prices?  What if the U.S. did not get involved?  Would they have let Russia annex all of Ukraine to keep the gas flowing cheaply?  How would they have played this?  I am truly all ears.

The US government would have first needed to take a "non-aggressive stance", such as conceding that Ukraine would not be joining NATO firstly. That would have required that the US not seek total domination and hegemony over eastern Europe which of course is obvious why our government would never do that. "Officially" giving Crimea to Russia might have been another step, especially if it means avoiding a wider war and the people in Crimea seem happy with it. Donetsk and Lugansk were headaches for Putin that he would have had to deal with eventually, and maybe I'm wrong on this, but launching a war on the whole of Ukraine seemed a far-fetched "solution" to this problem for him that he would not have launched if he felt he did not have any other choice. Some here may disagree with me but I believe it is not unreasonable for Russia to have legitimate security concerns over an openly hostile government and military power right on its border. The US certainly wouldn't approve if Mexico suddenly opened the doors to Russian and Chinese military bases and weapons systems aimed at the US right along its borders.

Most European countries were fairly lax or at least hesitant to engage Russia right up to the beginning of the invasion, with the UK being a notable exception (perhaps even more hawkish against Russia than the US). This is understandable for many of the European countries that rely on cheap Russian gas and other economic trades, and yes perhaps they were a bit too reliant, but that's not for the US to decide. Most of Europe fell in line after the war began, doing whatever the US wanted them to do and keeping quiet about likely perpetrator(s) of the Nord stream pipeline explosions, and now they see that they are simply pawns for American hegemony ready to be sacrificed at little-to-no risk for the United States. Reminds me of another running joke in some social and political circles I follow "The US is willing to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian".

Now I would urge the United States and its EU lapdogs to engage in peace talks with Putin that ends with all parties leaving Ukraine in every capacity (that isn't already annexed by Russia, at least) and Ukraine remaining officially neutral as an ultimate goal. As for those annexations, maybe those could be negotiated to some extent, I don't know. No more weapons shipments, talks of military alliances, economic alliances, or covert operations. Personally I think it's too late for any of this and the US government will not let up on its absolutely atrocious foreign policy objectives even at the risk of the national and economic security of its own allies.

 

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Putin will allow winter to do its damage to what is left. If anyone knows how to use winter as a weapon, it’s the Russians.   
Food and heat are scarce and this will be ugly.  Putin won’t budge till Spring earliest unless whatever is wrong with him finally gets him.  

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The stuff coming out of China is really insane. Pissing off a population of over a billion people with the harshest and most unforgiving lockdowns that's led to losses and deaths, they are going to rise up and say "hey, we have had f*cking enough". Hopefully it snowballs and I wish them the very best. The rest of Asia is watching it insanely closely, I know my Filipino fam back home is 👀

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12 hours ago, Reg said:

The US government would have first needed to take a "non-aggressive stance", such as conceding that Ukraine would not be joining NATO firstly. That would have required that the US not seek total domination and hegemony over eastern Europe which of course is obvious why our government would never do that. "Officially" giving Crimea to Russia might have been another step, especially if it means avoiding a wider war and the people in Crimea seem happy with it. Donetsk and Lugansk were headaches for Putin that he would have had to deal with eventually, and maybe I'm wrong on this, but launching a war on the whole of Ukraine seemed a far-fetched "solution" to this problem for him that he would not have launched if he felt he did not have any other choice. Some here may disagree with me but I believe it is not unreasonable for Russia to have legitimate security concerns over an openly hostile government and military power right on its border. The US certainly wouldn't approve if Mexico suddenly opened the doors to Russian and Chinese military bases and weapons systems aimed at the US right along its borders.

Most European countries were fairly lax or at least hesitant to engage Russia right up to the beginning of the invasion, with the UK being a notable exception (perhaps even more hawkish against Russia than the US). This is understandable for many of the European countries that rely on cheap Russian gas and other economic trades, and yes perhaps they were a bit too reliant, but that's not for the US to decide. Most of Europe fell in line after the war began, doing whatever the US wanted them to do and keeping quiet about likely perpetrator(s) of the Nord stream pipeline explosions, and now they see that they are simply pawns for American hegemony ready to be sacrificed at little-to-no risk for the United States. Reminds me of another running joke in some social and political circles I follow "The US is willing to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian".

Now I would urge the United States and its EU lapdogs to engage in peace talks with Putin that ends with all parties leaving Ukraine in every capacity (that isn't already annexed by Russia, at least) and Ukraine remaining officially neutral as an ultimate goal. As for those annexations, maybe those could be negotiated to some extent, I don't know. No more weapons shipments, talks of military alliances, economic alliances, or covert operations. Personally I think it's too late for any of this and the US government will not let up on its absolutely atrocious foreign policy objectives even at the risk of the national and economic security of its own allies.

Why is Ukraine joining NATO a nonstarter?  NATO was born out of a need for an alliance against Russian aggression.  Well, I'd say that need is even more apparent than before, correct?  And if one is to recognize the sovereignty of Ukraine, why should they have to give up Crimea (or Eastern portions) to appease Russia?  Putin had many options on the table to try to further his goals.  He chose war.  It's all on him now.  The ball is in his court.

As far as the U.S. calling the shots, well, we seem to be the only country willing to stand up to Russia at the moment.  Europe's lack of foresight regarding their gas situation was decades in the making.  Now they are getting cold feet and are going to point the finger at the U.S.?  Okay, so now what?  They cut deals with Russia?  Far too late for that, I'm sure.

This is Russia's screw up.  They are going to do what they do best, bunker down, and freeze everyone out.  Putin does not want peace clearly.  He wants what he wants and will commit all the war crimes he wants to get it.  The concept of peace talks at this point is a bit naïve, I gotta say.  The EU, due to their own ineptitude, is going to scream bloody murder over gas prices and heating bills.  And the U.S. (being involved in one of the few just wars I can recall) is going to be the bad guy.  I could have called this, and I am just some pleb.

As for the "The US is willing to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian" quote, we cannot go in.  The Ukrainians want our help.  How else would we be able to help without leaving them high and dry or starting WWIII?

For all the crap the U.S. does around the world, I do not see how we could have done better in this instance.

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4 hours ago, HuskyMaestro said:

The stuff coming out of China is really insane. Pissing off a population of over a billion people with the harshest and most unforgiving lockdowns that's led to losses and deaths, they are going to rise up and say "hey, we have had f*cking enough". Hopefully it snowballs and I wish them the very best. The rest of Asia is watching it insanely closely, I know my Filipino fam back home is 👀

I really hope this is a wakeup call to the average citizen.

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Not sure if it’s the phase of the moon or people are truly trying to free their society. Results remain to be seen but China and Iran’s citizens have not been laying down.  
While Iran protesters tend to get beat back, the Chinese that are under 35 are not as willing to knuckle under having liked what they see in Western Societies.  
Now if they can actually pull off change…..

If Xi wins this round, the next one will be easier still to defeat.  Xi is a genuine Mao type Ruler. I don’t envy any that defy him but they won’t be free if they don’t fight back.  
China has a military of 8-9 million. To win any real ground they’ll need to turn some of them.  
So, a long battle ahead. This may fail, but they need to fight for their lives and freedom. I’m glad to see there are many that don’t like what they see and are willing to do something about it.  

The govt welded some people in their apts. during Covid, maybe their eyes are opening.  

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4 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

Why is Ukraine joining NATO a nonstarter?  NATO was born out of a need for an alliance against Russian aggression.  Well, I'd say that need is even more apparent than before, correct?  And if one is to recognize the sovereignty of Ukraine, why should they have to give up Crimea (or Eastern portions) to appease Russia?  Putin had many options on the table to try to further his goals.  He chose war.  It's all on him now.  The ball is in his court.

As far as the U.S. calling the shots, well, we seem to be the only country willing to stand up to Russia at the moment.  Europe's lack of foresight regarding their gas situation was decades in the making.  Now they are getting cold feet and are going to point the finger at the U.S.?  Okay, so now what?  They cut deals with Russia?  Far too late for that, I'm sure.

This is Russia's screw up.  They are going to do what they do best, bunker down, and freeze everyone out.  Putin does not want peace clearly.  He wants what he wants and will commit all the war crimes he wants to get it.  The concept of peace talks at this point is a bit naïve, I gotta say.  The EU, due to their own ineptitude, is going to scream bloody murder over gas prices and heating bills.  And the U.S. (being involved in one of the few just wars I can recall) is going to be the bad guy.  I could have called this, and I am just some pleb.

As for the "The US is willing to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian" quote, we cannot go in.  The Ukrainians want our help.  How else would we be able to help without leaving them high and dry or starting WWIII?

For all the crap the U.S. does around the world, I do not see how we could have done better in this instance.

That’s just it - for both Russia and the West, NATO is the “**** Russia Coalition” with nukes and Patriot missile batteries intended for use against Russia and nobody else. Like I said before, I can understand why their government would not want that presence along a significant stretch of its borders especially so close to major population centers. 

Europe feeling apprehensive about a proxy war rather close to them between the US and Russia is perfectly understandable. The potential for this war to spread and spiral down further is a massive risk to those countries and their people, while the US government can sit comfortably in Washington calling the shots for almost no risk at all to itself. Flooding the European black market with weapons was probably not a good idea either, we have seen the results of this kind of policy across the Middle East and Africa.

For the United States, this war is about maintaining American hegemony and global superiority, while for Russia it is about national security and a local sphere of influence. Europe is right next to all of this and have their own national and economic security to worry about. I do not, even for a moment, believe that the US cares about Ukraine, rather global dominance and “putting Russia in its place”. In this sense, the Cold War never ended.

 

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3 hours ago, Iceresistance said:

It's a shame my Election Results forum got locked, but who forced the admins to lock the forum was not me. 

I was just reading and man that got nasty quick....the political forums have always been a "challenge" but there has always been a modicum of decency....that person from Idaho piped up on the results forum and it spiraled rapidly.  I'm guessing hawkstwelve did it on his own before it got any worse.

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17 hours ago, Reg said:

That’s just it - for both Russia and the West, NATO is the “**** Russia Coalition” with nukes and Patriot missile batteries intended for use against Russia and nobody else. Like I said before, I can understand why their government would not want that presence along a significant stretch of its borders especially so close to major population centers. 

Europe feeling apprehensive about a proxy war rather close to them between the US and Russia is perfectly understandable. The potential for this war to spread and spiral down further is a massive risk to those countries and their people, while the US government can sit comfortably in Washington calling the shots for almost no risk at all to itself. Flooding the European black market with weapons was probably not a good idea either, we have seen the results of this kind of policy across the Middle East and Africa.

For the United States, this war is about maintaining American hegemony and global superiority, while for Russia it is about national security and a local sphere of influence. Europe is right next to all of this and have their own national and economic security to worry about. I do not, even for a moment, believe that the US cares about Ukraine, rather global dominance and “putting Russia in its place”. In this sense, the Cold War never ended.

You have a compelling viewpoint, and I am sure your point about the weapons and our hollow care for Ukraine has merit.  I think our collective resolve for a protracted effort in Ukraine is weak, and Putin knows that.  It is sad and dangerous if proven true.  Only one thing worse than backing a war from afar to the Euro area: it's backing and then abandoning.

I am also of the viewpoint that the U.S. has its nose in places where it does not belong for purely strategic and economic purposes.  It absolutely does bring about ill will toward us in certain areas.

I am reading more about NATO to understand your viewpoint, but there is one point I cannot reconcile:

If one takes on a NATO is a "F**K Russia Coalition" viewpoint where it is aimed more at harming Russia instead of providing stability in the area, then why is Russia the only one crossing borders and killing/torturing/raping civilians?  Why are they cutting power to freeze Ukrainians and shelling near nuclear power plants?  Why are they indiscriminately bombing civilian structures?  These are not actions made by a country that wants to demonstrate that NATO is malicious rather than necessary.  These actions strengthen the argument that Russia is not to be trusted and is dangerous to its neighbors.  Seems counterproductive.

 

 

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1 hour ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

You have a compelling viewpoint, and I am sure your point about the weapons and our hollow care for Ukraine has merit.  I think our collective resolve for a protracted effort in Ukraine is weak, and Putin knows that.  It is sad and dangerous if proven true.  Only one thing worse than backing a war from afar to the Euro area: it's backing and then abandoning.

I am also of the viewpoint that the U.S. has its nose in places where it does not belong for purely strategic and economic purposes.  It absolutely does bring about ill will toward us in certain areas.

I am reading more about NATO to understand your viewpoint, but there is one point I cannot reconcile:

If one takes on a NATO is a "F**K Russia Coalition" viewpoint where it is aimed more at harming Russia instead of providing stability in the area, then why is Russia the only one crossing borders and killing/torturing/raping civilians?  Why are they cutting power to freeze Ukrainians and shelling near nuclear power plants?  Why are they indiscriminately bombing civilian structures?  These are not actions made by a country that wants to demonstrate that NATO is malicious rather than necessary.  These actions strengthen the argument that Russia is not to be trusted and is dangerous to its neighbors.  Seems counterproductive.

 

 

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