April 2022 (April 2008/2011 redux)

[RentonHill]

Took my son up to the Local Fancy Ski Resort aka Ski Acres to get one last snow play session in before we torch. 

[LowerGarfield]

1 hour ago, TacomaWaWx said:

Snowpack also looks better here in Washington. 

Send some more my way to the Lower . We were hit hard by wildfires last summer though most damage was contained within the bounds of the national forest.

[Anti Marine Layer]

42 minutes ago, crf450ish said:

THE INCONSISTENCIES IN WEATHER HOUR TO HOUR ARE TOO DAM HIGH

Misspelling 

[The Swamp]

5 minutes ago, RentonHillTC said:

Took my son up to the Local Fancy Ski Resort aka Ski Acres to get one last snow play session in before we torch. 

Sadly I don't think we are going to torch any time soon.

All the woes of the West Coast will be washed away with a couple weeks of cool weather and rain.  Ya!

Probably gonna have the same amount of wild fires and destruction just a bit later and these couple of weeks of extra cold showers is not going to solve anyones drought problems.

If a pattern like this occurred EVERY spring up and down the coast from California to Washington......maybe.  

Right now I'm more concerned about my grapes that want to leaf out and it's been near 30 degrees for three or four mornings in a row.  Not good.

Oh, and I'm ready to sit on my back patio and soak up some sun and warm weather.  Enough of this .

[RentonHill]

2 minutes ago, The Swamp said:

Sadly I don't think we are going to torch any time soon.

All the woes of the West Coast will be washed away with a couple weeks of cool weather and rain.  Ya!

Probably gonna have the same amount of wild fires and destruction just a bit later and these couple of weeks of extra cold showers is not going to solve anyones drought problems.

If a pattern like this occurred EVERY spring up and down the coast from California to Washington......maybe.  

Right now I'm more concerned about my grapes that want to leaf out and it's been near 30 degrees for three or four mornings in a row.  Not good.

Oh, and I'm ready to sit on my back patio and soak up some sun and warm weather.  Enough of this .

Ok Barabbas

[TacomaWaWx]

6 minutes ago, The Swamp said:

Sadly I don't think we are going to torch any time soon.

All the woes of the West Coast will be washed away with a couple weeks of cool weather and rain.  Ya!

Probably gonna have the same amount of wild fires and destruction just a bit later and these couple of weeks of extra cold showers is not going to solve anyones drought problems.

If a pattern like this occurred EVERY spring up and down the coast from California to Washington......maybe.  

Right now I'm more concerned about my grapes that want to leaf out and it's been near 30 degrees for three or four mornings in a row.  Not good.

Oh, and I'm ready to sit on my back patio and soak up some sun and warm weather.  Enough of this .

I think you may not fully understand how beneficial the last 10 days have been especially further south. It doesn’t fix the issue entirely but Oregon and California are better off than they were…and it should continue to improve. 
 I think the last couple aprils spoiled our expectations of april lol. Usually not super warm or dry typically anyways. April and October are months that can go either way though.

[TT-SEA]

17 minutes ago, TacomaWaWx said:

I think you may not fully understand how beneficial the last 10 days have been especially further south. It doesn’t fix the issue entirely but Oregon and California are better off than they were…and it should continue to improve. 
 I think the last couple aprils spoiled our expectations of april lol. Usually not super warm or dry typically anyways. April and October are months that can go either way though.

I expect April to be total crap.  Always have.   I am rarely disappointed.   

But once in a century record cold shouldn't be expected either.   It can't be good for the emerging vegetation.  Yet here we are.  

[Blizzard777]

26 minutes ago, RentonHillTC said:

Ok Barabbas

We let him go once again !?! 
Did you get the cam hung?

[TT-SEA]

Sunny and quiet in Bellingham... much more stable up here this evening compared to places to the south.  

[TacomaWaWx]

54 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

I expect April to be total crap.  Always have.   I am rarely disappointed.   

But once in a century record cold shouldn't be expected either.   It can't be good for the emerging vegetation.  Yet here we are.  

It’s been a pretty cold week…all the trees and vegetation almost seem to be on pause. I was camping out on Anderson island in 2020 and 2021 during mid April with warm sunny conditions. Totally different this year. 

[TacomaWaWx]

47/36 0.15” today... 1.91” for the month. Average temp for April as of today is 44.5. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

People acting like this cold

snap is going to destroy the emerging vegetation need to get a grip. Most areas haven’t even seen a hard freeze. A few highs in the mid 40s isn’t going to kill the plants. Up here where it’s been colder, worst case scenario

is things get delayed a little. Honestly the leaf out is definitely later this year than the past couple, but not significantly so, and it has progressed even this past week. If anything the rain / moisture is great for the trees as they put on new growth. Things look amazing in the valley and in the low foothills below 1000’.

[Anti Marine Layer]

2 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

People acting like this cold

snap is going to destroy the emerging vegetation need to get a grip. Most areas haven’t even seen a hard freeze. A few highs in the mid 40s isn’t going to kill the plants. Up here where it’s been colder, worst case scenario

is things get delayed a little. Honestly the leaf out is definitely later this year than the past couple, but not significantly so, and it has progressed even this past week. If anything the rain / moisture is great for the trees as they put on new growth. Things look amazing in the valley and in the low foothills below 1000’.

Why all the big spaces?

[SnowWillarrive]

3 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

People acting like this cold

snap is going to destroy the emerging vegetation need to get a grip. Most areas haven’t even seen a hard freeze. A few highs in the mid 40s isn’t going to kill the plants. Up here where it’s been colder, worst case scenario

is things get delayed a little. Honestly the leaf out is definitely later this year than the past couple, but not significantly so, and it has progressed even this past week. If anything the rain / moisture is great for the trees as they put on new growth. Things look amazing in the valley and in the low foothills below 1000’.

I’m fine if we keep this weather till June

[SilverFallsAndrew]

2 minutes ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Why all the big spaces?

Just my shitty phone. 

[snow_wizard]

Wow!  40 degrees at 6pm.  Obviously this cold snap wanted to end on a good note.

[snow_wizard]

6 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

People acting like this cold

snap is going to destroy the emerging vegetation need to get a grip. Most areas haven’t even seen a hard freeze. A few highs in the mid 40s isn’t going to kill the plants. Up here where it’s been colder, worst case scenario

is things get delayed a little. Honestly the leaf out is definitely later this year than the past couple, but not significantly so, and it has progressed even this past week. If anything the rain / moisture is great for the trees as they put on new growth. Things look amazing in the valley and in the low foothills below 1000’.

Yeah...it would take something like late April / May 1 of 1954 to do any real damage in the spring.  On that one widespread lows in the low to upper 20s struck on May 1.  I will say this cold snap has been exceptional though.  I've already had 4 freezing low temps with this one.

[T-Town]

Good day for cool clouds. 

[snow_wizard]

Amazingly I have had temps fall to the upper 30s / low 40s by 6pm on 6 of the past 7 days.  I'm pretty confident this will go down as one of the 5 coldest April weeks in the past century. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

3 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

Yeah...it would take something like late April / May 1 of 1954 to do any real damage in the spring.  On that one widespread lows in the low to upper 20s struck on May 1.  I will say this cold snap has been exceptional though.  I've already had 4 freezing low temps with this one.

Even that I doubt would do anything to the native vegetation... though it might hurt people’s gardens. We’ve had lows well into the 20s into May and it’s never caused any issues. May 2013 we had a low of 25 on the first. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

2 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

Amazingly I have had temps fall to the upper 30s / low 40s by 6pm on 6 of the past 7 days.  I'm pretty confident this will go down as one of the 5 coldest April weeks in the past century. 

43/30 here today. Another kold one.

[Anti Marine Layer]

8 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Even that I doubt would do anything to the native vegetation... though it might hurt people’s gardens. We’ve had lows well into the 20s into May and it’s never caused any issues. May 2013 we had a low of 25 on the first. 

When it's cold outside 

I've got the month of May

[TT-SEA]

46 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

People acting like this cold

snap is going to destroy the emerging vegetation need to get a grip. Most areas haven’t even seen a hard freeze. A few highs in the mid 40s isn’t going to kill the plants. Up here where it’s been colder, worst case scenario

is things get delayed a little. Honestly the leaf out is definitely later this year than the past couple, but not significantly so, and it has progressed even this past week. If anything the rain / moisture is great for the trees as they put on new growth. Things look amazing in the valley and in the low foothills below 1000’.

Hope you're right.   Meatyorologist has me worried now.

[T-Town]

One more. 

[Phil]

54 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

People acting like this cold

snap is going to destroy the emerging vegetation need to get a grip. Most areas haven’t even seen a hard freeze. A few highs in the mid 40s isn’t going to kill the plants. Up here where it’s been colder, worst case scenario

is things get delayed a little. Honestly the leaf out is definitely later this year than the past couple, but not significantly so, and it has progressed even this past week. If anything the rain / moisture is great for the trees as they put on new growth. Things look amazing in the valley and in the low foothills below 1000’.

We’ve had low 20s and 50mph winds happen with foliage already out, and nothing major happened to the trees. Leaves just stopped growing for a few days. A few tree species did have some leaves die (maybe 1/3rd at most) from windburn, but they put a new crop of leaves almost immediately afterwards.

[MossMan]

6 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Hope you're right.   Meatyorologist has me worried now.

Well according to Phil my entire 5 acres is completely dead, toast, Australian Toaster Biscuit crispy. So yeah we are all doomed. 

[RentonHill]

10 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Hope you're right.   Meatyorologist has me worried now.

Tragedy in E WA. Orchards are done

[Phil]

5 hours ago, TT-SEA said:

Sunny in Everett... and now dead stopped on I-5.

Looks like I-495 on any given day.

[Phil]

4 hours ago, MWG said:

I'm happy about the cooler temps just wish we have above precipitation too.

A prelude to the summer pattern.  

[SilverFallsAndrew]

16 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Hope you're right.   Meatyorologist has me worried now.

It’s an absolutely absurd worry. There is plenty of historical precedent for what we ve had this week. PDX and sea tac

didnt even hit freezing. Lol. 117 degrees in the willamette valley is much more damaging than 46 degree highs in April. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Snow update. It should finish melting tomorrow. 

[Phil]

3 hours ago, Meatyorologist said:

I’m a bit worried about the leaf out this year. Leaves are excessively brown and many are dying.

I fear that June 2021’s damage is coming into full view as fried chloroplasts weren’t able to capture sufficient energy during the remainder of the warm season last year. This in combination with this April’s cold stunting makes it look particularly bad.

The biosphere will recover in time but we must avoid another heat wave of that calibre.

Stronger NPAC high this summer, statistically speaking, would reduce the chances of major heat in the PNW.

But I’m afraid for the SW US. A nasty 4CH is a distinct possibility this summer (the stronger the Niña background is, the larger the 4CH will be). Just a bit more suppressed to the S/E given the tighter ITCZ/z-cell.

[MossMan]

Chilly clouds. Currently 43 deg. 

[Anti Marine Layer]

6 minutes ago, Phil said:

Stronger NPAC high this summer, statistically speaking, would reduce the chances of major heat in the PNW.

But I’m afraid for the SW US. A nasty 4CH is a distinct possibility this summer (the stronger the Niña background is, the larger the 4CH will be). Just a bit more suppressed to the S/E given the tighter ITCZ/z-cell.

La Nina sucks

[Phil]

2 hours ago, TT-SEA said:

I expect April to be total crap.  Always have.   I am rarely disappointed.   

But once in a century record cold shouldn't be expected either.   It can't be good for the emerging vegetation.  Yet here we are.  

I’m sure the June 2021 heatwave was more damaging.

Summer 2012 was really hard on the trees here. I remember many species had lost half of their foliage by the end of July.

Meanwhile, hard freezes with strong winds have happened into May on many occasions since then, and it was barely even noticeable. Actually helped beat reduce fungal spores in those years and trees were deep green for much longer. Which surprised me at the time.

[TacomaWaWx]

9 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

It’s an absolutely absurd worry. There is plenty of historical precedent for what we ve had this week. PDX and sea tac

didnt even hit freezing. Lol. 117 degrees in the willamette valley is much more damaging than 46 degree highs in April. 

I think there’s definitely some legitimate concern for how the heatwave last summer will effect everything long term. Don’t think the cold this month will have much effect either way IMO. So far I haven’t noticed anything unusual with the trees and vegetation here…it’s just significantly slowed for now. 

[TT-SEA]

2 minutes ago, TacomaWaWx said:

I think there’s definitely some legitimate concern for how the heatwave last summer will effect everything long term. Don’t think the cold this month will have much effect either way IMO. So far I haven’t noticed anything unusual with the trees and vegetation here…it’s just significantly slowed for now. 

Definitely slowed way down.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

3 minutes ago, TacomaWaWx said:

I think there’s definitely some legitimate concern for how the heatwave last summer will effect everything long term. Don’t think the cold this month will have much effect either way IMO. So far I haven’t noticed anything unusual with the trees and vegetation here…it’s just significantly slowed for now. 

Yes. I agree on the heatwave last year. We ll notice any permanent conifer damage in the next month. If anything what we’ve seen this April is good for

native plants.

[TT-SEA]

14 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

It’s an absolutely absurd worry. There is plenty of historical precedent for what we ve had this week. PDX and sea tac

didnt even hit freezing. Lol. 117 degrees in the willamette valley is much more damaging than 46 degree highs in April. 

Still... extended cold like this might be different.  It's pretty rare.  But then northern MN can have crazy weather through May and the trees are fine every summer.    Of course everything is still dormant until May too.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

I don’t even know things have slowed

down. And this after 7 straight sub-freezing lows, 18” of snow, and 5 sub 40

highs. Here is a willow, apple, and alder.