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52 minutes ago, GHweatherChris said:

Ummm, ok.  It isn't just narrowed down to just you and Phil fyi overall, but to be honest, you have been driving the narrative lately about how wet it has been and trying really hard to make it seem like it is no big deal to you but if others are really being honest with themselves, they see what I see, unfortunately there is noone that will tamper anything now, although someone should. So keep pretending you are really not bothered, yet you really are.  I really want to enjoy this forum year round, but reasons on this forum make it impossible.

Peace.

Tim being salty about rain isn’t ban worthy nor a big deal. You can mute him if you like, it sounds like you aren’t too fond of him anyways.

@TT-SEA Let it be known though that nobody is fooled by the emojis, it’s pretty obvious this cooler weather is making you miserable lol.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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37 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Only .29 at SEA today. 

A very inefficient way to pick up a little more than a quarter of an inch of precip with rain the entire day.    Phil can pick up .29 in under a minute and have sunshine the rest of the day.   😃

Not at this time of year. 😃 That’s more of a Jul-Sep thing.

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Our weather will mirror yours this weekend @TT-SEA . We might not get out of the 40s on Sunday.

Looking at 2-3”+ of much needed rainfall by midday Monday.

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24 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

Tim being salty about rain isn’t ban worthy nor a big deal. You can mute him if you like, it sounds like you aren’t too fond of him anyways.

@TT-SEA Let it be known though that nobody is fooled by the emojis, it’s pretty obvious this cooler weather is making you miserable lol.

He actually wants the conflict.   You misread what he said.   That makes it fun for him.    He hates when everyone is behaving.  😀

And I would love some more dry days mixed in... don't even care if it's "cooler".   I could do without the 10-15 degree departure on high temps... maybe 2-4 degrees below normal instead?   But it doesn't change anything.   I know this happens here... I have spent enough time looking through our daily weather history going back to the 1800s to know how it works.   Can't escape it forever.   April-June can be quite depressing.   Long daylight and still plenty of dark and damp days... particularly out here.    Feels out of sync.  I said that earlier.  Not pretending to like it... but being angry is pointless too.  

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6 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Officially 2” so far on the month! 
1.11” for the day. 

Radar did not look like there was much shadowing today anywhere.

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Sunday looks solidly rainy farther south... but it might end up fairly dry and maybe partly sunny from the Seattle area northward.  

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2 hours ago, Phil said:

I post in all the subforums. I’ve known the people in this one for longer, though, so I’m sure I post in here more frequently.

Roughly half of my extended family also lives in the Seattle area and I’m very close with them, so that’s another reason I follow the weather up there.

Thanks for sharing!  I was just always curious as to why someone in Maryland seemed so invested in our weather here!  Cheers!  

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1 minute ago, TT-SEA said:

Sunday looks solidly rainy farther south... but it might end up fairly dry and maybe partly sunny from the Seattle area northward.  

Oh I do hope that holds true! 
48/44 on the day. Currently 46. 

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Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! 

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Just now, NWbyNW said:

Thanks for sharing!  I was just always curious as to why someone in Maryland seemed so invested in our weather here!  Cheers!  

We adopted him.   And he is our long term global indices expert so he is quite valuable to the discussion.  

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17 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Oh I do hope that holds true! 
48/44 on the day. Currently 46. 

It would be God blessing us from heaven with a gift of precious life giving sunlight... praise to the almighty.    Or something blah blah blah things that Andrew says.   😀

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28 minutes ago, NWbyNW said:

Thanks for sharing!  I was just always curious as to why someone in Stevens Pass seemed so invested in our weather here!  Cheers!  

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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10 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:
39 minutes ago, NWbyNW said:

Thanks for sharing!  I was just always curious as to why someone in Stevens Pass seemed so invested in our weather here!  Cheers!  

Actually Stampede.    Just west of Costco.

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GFS is not making the same mistake again... it narrowly avoids the hand off up near Alaska next week and instead goes with a strong ridge up there which results in another cold trough diving right into the PNW.     The 00Z ICON is doing what the GFS was originally doing for this weekend and beyond and completing the hand off up north which in turn builds a ridge over the PNW.      The GFS is not always totally goofy... although I really wish some of its goofy solutions would work out.  

 

 

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Happy Joel Mchale GIF by ABC Network

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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What the ICON is showing is actually a fairly common way an arctic blast fails around here.    Trough digs too far west to the north.  

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1.33” on the day

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
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0.89" on the day with a high below 50F and 1.54" on the month.

Home Wx Station Stats (Since January 2008):

Max Temp: 96.3F (2009)   Min Temp: 2.0F (2008)   Max Wind Gust: 45 mph (2018, 2021)   Wettest Day: 2.34 (11/4/22)   Avg Yearly Precip: 37"   10yr Avg Snow: 8.0"

Snowfall Totals

'08-09: 30" | '09-10: 0.5" | '10-11: 21" | '11-12: 9.5" | '12-13: 0.2" | '13-14: 6.2" | '14-15: 0.0" | '15-16: 0.25"| '16-17: 8.0" | '17-18: 0.9"| '18-19: 11.5" | '19-20: 11" | '20-21: 10.5" | '21-22: 21.75" | '22-23: 10.0" 

2023-24: 7.0" (1/17: 3", 1/18: 1.5", 2/26: 0.5", 3/4: 2.0", Flakes: 1/11, 1/16)

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High of 52°F at KSEA, set both at midnight and in the afternoon. Not a daily record but very chilly.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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52F and pouring. Man this is great!! 1.63" on the month already!

No fires goddammit!!!

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Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024)
  • Total snowfall: 0.0"
  • Total ice: 2.25”
  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9")
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F)
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0"
  • Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4

 

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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4 minutes ago, The Blob said:

Good or bad?

NAM wants to shit out squall lines over the Puget Sound. 1000+j/kg CAPE is more akin to what you'd find east of the Rockies.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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Euro Seasonal going for a CFS-style country wide blowtorch JJA, really nailing the west. If you were going by recent climo, this would very likely be how it plays out.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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CanSIPS plays it out like 2011, with a very chilly start gradually moderating into August and September. Sort of like Phil's route to a cool summer in the PNW, with -ENSO influence just barely sparing the westside and WA from a raging 4CH. Also goes very cold next Feb, with a moderate La Niña peaking sometime around NDJ.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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SEA will easily pass the May 2008 rainfall total today on the 6th day of the month.     And at this point in 2008 we had an 84-degree day and a 90-degree day at SEA on the horizon.    Ahhh... the good 'ol days.   

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Hey @hawkstwelve... you are heading into a pattern that is warm and humid with lots of thunderstorm chances.   You are going to love it... unlike anything you have probably ever experienced in May.    

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Using the ONI values... 1975 is one of the rare examples in which a Nina was strengthening during the mid to late spring and into summer.   Ninas almost always develop/strengthen during the late summer and fall.    

Years like 1950, 1956, 1971, 1976, 1985, 1989, 1996, 1999, 2001, 2008, 2011, 2012, 2018, and 2021 had Nina springs like this year but the ENSO regions were slowly warming through the spring.  

What is happening this year is very unusual using the last 70 years as a guide.     Maybe it happened more frequently before 1950... not sure.    Phil might have some insight on that.   

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1988 is another interesting situation... started off as a Nino early in the year but crashed quickly into a Nina by early summer.      Different than this year... but the ENSO regions were definitely cooling rapidly during the spring months.  

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