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On the way to dropping the kids off this morning my 5 year old asked “when is the hot summer weather coming?”  And then proceeded to list all the things she wanted to do when summer arrives.  0.54” of rain this morning and the rain is currently pounding sideways into the front windows.  

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14 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

haha saying “even during summer 2019” shows just how warped your perception of a “bad summer” really is

wait until a june 1953 repeat lol

2019 was one of the most persistently rainy summers ever in my area.    And yes.... I realize it was also warmer than normal.   But in terms of days with rain... it was top tier.    And that was his point.    There are not many summers which get progressively wetter in JJA... but that actually happened in many places in 2019.   It happened for TacomaWaWx that summer and he has mentioned that several times.

It rained on almost half the days in July and August in 2019 out here at the Snoqualmie Falls station.    That is pretty rare even during wet summers.

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25 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

haha saying “even during summer 2019” shows just how warped your perception of a “bad summer” really is

wait until a june 1953 repeat lol

Looked it up... June 1953 was pretty bad.   But then it only rained on 13 days out here in July and August of that year which is about half of what occurred in 2019 in those months.  

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12Z GFS sticking with the nice weekend theme... and holds off the rain until next Thursday.     Also backs off again on the deep troughing later next week compared to its 00Z run.

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30 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

haha saying “even during summer 2019” shows just how warped your perception of a “bad summer” really is

wait until a june 1953 repeat lol

I’m well aware that 2019 wasn’t historically bad…I’m just saying even during a wet summer we get 10-15 day dry spells. That summer was probably my favorite summer ever. 

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Tacoma WA elevation 300’

Monthly rainfall-3.56”

Warm season rainfall-11.14”

Max temp-88

+80 highs-2

+85 highs-2

+90 highs-0

 

 

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Just now, TacomaWaWx said:

I’m well aware that 2019 wasn’t historically bad…I’m just saying even during a wet summer we get 10-15 day dry spells. That summer was probably my favorite summer ever. 

That was the only summer in our 20 years here when did not need to water anything at all.    It was quite exceptional in that regard.

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I looked up 2019 because I didn't remember it being REALLY WET. Oh that's because it wasn't. More like it actually rained a couple times. 

Seattle:

July - 7 days with measurable precip. 1.15" +0.45"

Aug - 5 days with precip. 1.20" +0.32

Total: 12 out of 62 days with measurable precip. 2.35" total +0.77"

PDX:

July - 6 days with precip. 0.80" +0.15"

Aug - 7 days with precip. 1.23" +0.56"

Total: 13 out of 62 days with precip. 2.03" total +0.71

SLE:

July - 3 days with precip. 0.42" -0.04"

Aug - 5 days with precip. 0.32" -0.13"

Total: 8 out of 62 days with precip. 0.74" total -0.17.

Of course June was very dry. If we look at JJA for Sea Tac they ran a +0.10" precip departure. SOGGY. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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One of the last nice days of the spring here and I’m stuck in an office building under florescent lighting. 🤮 

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Good lord sometimes you can’t even talk about anything on here sometimes. Was much wetter here than at sea tac…was talking about my location. 

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Tacoma WA elevation 300’

Monthly rainfall-3.56”

Warm season rainfall-11.14”

Max temp-88

+80 highs-2

+85 highs-2

+90 highs-0

 

 

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Just now, TacomaWaWx said:

Good lord sometimes you can’t even talk about anything on here sometimes. Was much wetter here than at sea tac…was talking about my location. 

Sure thing. But reading you and Tim talk about it one would think we were talking about 1993 or 1983. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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September 2019 was fairly moist... If that makes everyone feel better. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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6 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

12Z GFS sticking with the nice weekend theme... and holds off the rain until next Thursday.     Also backs off again on the deep troughing later next week compared to its 00Z run.

Looks better than 06z to me. Especially out here.

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Just now, TacomaWaWx said:

Good lord sometimes you can’t even talk about anything on here sometimes. Was much wetter here than at sea tac…was talking about my location. 

And here too.    Like I said... we have had to water the yard and garden every summer here except 2019.   Even in 2008 and 2011.  

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3 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Sure thing. But reading you and Tim talk about it one would think we were talking about 1993 or 1983. 

There was 19 days with rain at Snoqualmie Falls station in July and August of 1993.

And 25 days in those months in 2019.   

1993 was less persistently rainy... also significantly cooler.    

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2 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Sure thing. But reading you and Tim talk about it one would think we were talking about 1993 or 1983. 

Never said anything about those years…I just somehow get dragged into some trolling BS y’all got going with Tim. Was just talking about climo I’m not trying to be involved in some preference crap don’t care if anyone likes rain or sunshine or whatever. 

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Tacoma WA elevation 300’

Monthly rainfall-3.56”

Warm season rainfall-11.14”

Max temp-88

+80 highs-2

+85 highs-2

+90 highs-0

 

 

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2 minutes ago, TacomaWaWx said:

Never said anything about those years…I just somehow get dragged into some trolling BS y’all got going with Tim. Was just talking about climo I’m not trying to be involved in some preference crap don’t care if anyone likes rain or sunshine or whatever. 

Not trolling at all. I posted facts, not anecdotes about how green my lawn was. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Not trolling at all. I posted facts, not anecdotes about how green my lawn was. 

That part was anecdotal but it was pretty interesting.

I also posted stats for my area.   There was more days with rain in July and August in 2019 than in 1993.   That is just a fact.   And I actually didn't really mind 2019... there was plenty of nice days between the rainy days.   

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12Z GFS also sticks with the troughy holiday weekend idea... which seems like a forgone conclusion if we actually get significant break in the rain over the next week.

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2019 was fairly sunny and most of the rainy days were convective/stormy. Barely saw any of that in 2020 and 2021.

As a result we also avoided a bad fire season both here and in CA. Yeah central Oregon and inland CA are always bone dry in the summer, but they’re not always single digit humidity with downsloping winds every single day either. Went to Mt Shasta in late August and they were even watering the grass and skies were completely clear.

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Just now, Omegaraptor said:

2019 was fairly sunny and most of the rainy days were convective/stormy. Barely saw any of that in 2020 and 2021.

As a result we also avoided a bad fire season both here and in CA. Yeah central Oregon and inland CA are always bone dry in the summer, but they’re not always single digit humidity with downsloping winds every single day either. Went to Mt Shasta in late August and they were even watering the grass and skies were completely clear.

Yeah... I think 2019 was basically a smoke free summer and fall.   

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Nice mix of sun and showers on the 12z GFS.

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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42 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

2019 was one of the most persistently rainy summers ever in my area.    And yes.... I realize it was also warmer than normal.   But in terms of days with rain... it was top tier.    And that was his point.    There are not many summers which get progressively wetter in JJA... but that actually happened in many places in 2019.   It happened for TacomaWaWx that summer and he has mentioned that several times.

It rained on almost half the days in July and August in 2019 out here at the Snoqualmie Falls station.    That is pretty rare even during wet summers.

I don’t remember summer 2019 being distinctly rainy. All I remember was it being fairly warm and the grass staying green into late July. There must have been a harsh east-west gradient.

Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 45.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; February 24th, 2022

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

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Just now, Meatyorologist said:

I don’t remember summer 2019 being distinctly rainy. All I remember was it being fairly warm and the grass staying green into late July. There must have been a harsh east-west gradient.

Probably.   It was unusually rainy in Tacoma and out here... so probably lots of SW flow and shadowing in Seattle.  

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12Z GFS actually shows a beautiful Memorial Day... after a rain Saturday and Sunday.    That would be a nice bonus.

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4 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

As long as we stay below 76 the rest of the month, I'm happy.

Also want a cold, wet Memorial Day weekend so that Tim can send us some nice pictures of Toppenish.

Chelan?    I have heard nice things.    But Andrew says all of central WA is a dump and one should cross the Cascades for sunnier weather so my expectations are low.    👍

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In terms of consistent wetness I have never seen a May this damp, there are no true analogs. It should also come as no surprise that KSEA is running colder than May 2011 through the 17th… And we’re about to gain even more ground as troughing is ensuing on the exact dates ridging was popping up in 2011.

Everything is damp and alive and wildfires aren’t even close to the forefront of my mind. It’s a nice change of pace.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 45.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; February 24th, 2022

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

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17 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said:

2019 was fairly sunny and most of the rainy days were convective/stormy. Barely saw any of that in 2020 and 2021.

As a result we also avoided a bad fire season both here and in CA. Yeah central Oregon and inland CA are always bone dry in the summer, but they’re not always single digit humidity with downsloping winds every single day either. Went to Mt Shasta in late August and they were even watering the grass and skies were completely clear.

I remember how different the z-circulations looked going into that summer. Was clearly going to be lackluster 4CH that year.

Not so lucky this year. :( The PNW will (probably) avoid it this summer, but the intermountain West and Southwest are probably going to suffer again.

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was wondering if I need to turn the AC on for the cats while on Vaca (5/27-6/5) looks like 70s are nowhere in sight.  gunna leave the Nest in cool/heat mode so I can go either way if need be via the phone app.  Probably going to leave irrigation off until we return

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21 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

12Z GFS also sticks with the troughy holiday weekend idea... which seems like a forgone conclusion if we actually get significant break in the rain over the next week.

Would fit the timing of the CCKW passage perfectly. Early/middle part of next week increasingly matches the EOF for p7/8 MJO.

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39 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Chelan?    I have heard nice things.    But Andrew says all of central WA is a dump and one should cross the Cascades for sunnier weather so my expectations are low.    👍

No chelanigans for you. We all pitched in and got you a nice deluxe package stay at the wapato inn. 

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IDK if PDX can stay below 76 the rest of the month, but they should be able to stay below 80. My God, what if we have to wait until July for TWL to start posting jersey pics?! I have a feeling we aren't going to make it to linebacker #'s this year, maybe just running backs. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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4 minutes ago, RentonHillTC said:

No chelan for you. We got you a nice deluxe package stay at the wapato inn. 

Not sure where that is... but Wapato Point is really nice.    We stayed in a condo there with my parents a few years back and loved in.   

Andrew... I apologize again for going over the Cascades for sunny weather.   I know its very dumpy and ugly over there but its all we have.   

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Chelan?    I have heard nice things.    But Andrew says all of central WA is a dump and one should cross the Cascades for sunnier weather so my expectations are low.    👍

You lie more than Trump. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

You lie more than Trump. 

Yeah... you were doing the same this morning.   Putting words in my mouth from trolling purposes. 

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Just now, TT-SEA said:

Not sure where that is... but Wapato Point is really nice.    We stayed in a condo there with my parents a few years back and loved in.   

Andrew... I apologize again for going over the Cascades for sunny weather.   I know its very dumpy and ugly over there but its all we have.   

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Once again... As you continue to lie more than President Trump, I have never made a negative comment about Lake Chelan or the East Slopes of the Cascades. The Columbia Basin, and I would say those same things about the Columbia Basin of Oregon. But that doesn't mean I despise the many nice places in Central Oregon, like Bend, Sisters, or LaPine. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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Just now, TT-SEA said:

Yeah... you were doing the same this morning.   Putting words in my mouth from trolling purposes. 

Was I? Or was I posting facts, like actual statistics from Sea Tac? I understand it has been a long month and a half...

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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Here is another fun fact:

April 1-May 15, 2021: Driest such period on record at PDX

April 1-May 15, 2022: Wettest such period on record at PDX

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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4 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Was I? Or was I posting facts, like actual statistics from Sea Tac? I understand it has been a long month and a half...

You don't even know you are doing it.   I just posted SEA stats earlier today and you promptly put words in my mouth and made up comments I never said.   You do it all the time.   😀

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**REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED**

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8 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Once again... As you continue to lie more than President Trump, I have never made a negative comment about Lake Chelan or the East Slopes of the Cascades. The Columbia Basin, and I would say those same things about the Columbia Basin of Oregon. But that doesn't mean I despise the many nice places in Central Oregon, like Bend, Sisters, or LaPine. 

You okay bro?

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3 minutes ago, Phil said:

You okay bro?

Doing great. 

 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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1 hour ago, TT-SEA said:

Chelan?    I have heard nice things.    But Andrew says all of central WA is a dump and one should cross the Cascades for sunnier weather so my expectations are low.    👍

Never been? Surprising! Haven't you lived in WA about 20 years?

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How did Eugene manage to get this cold in 2013? Even with snow cover and arctic air, a 19/-10 day is insane.

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Location: Bethany, OR at about 250'

Snowfall:

     2021/2022: 6"

     2020/2021: 4.5"

     2019/2020: 1"

     2018/2019: 3.7"

     2017/2018: 5.5"

     2016/2017: 18"

     2015/2016: 1"

     2014/2015: 0"

     2013/2014: 9"

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