May Winter Continue 2022 PNW

[SilverFallsAndrew]

7 minutes ago, Front Ranger said:

Good point as well. One week made a huge difference for the averages. I remember that being discussed as last summer concluded and people weighed the historical significance... 

Yes, and I think this argument is much more relevant for the Puget Sound area. Obviously Salem for instance broke their all-time record multiple times and by 9 degrees when they hit 117, so that will skew things. I think for that location though, you probably have to give 2021 the edge.

100+ Highs

2015: 5

2021: 6

95+ Highs

2015: 14

2021: 16

90+ Days

2015: 29

2021: 41

 

I'm willing to say for the region as a whole 2015 and 2021 are pretty similar overall. With many spots giving a slight edge to 2015. 

[Front Ranger]

7 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Yes, and I think this argument is much more relevant for the Puget Sound area. Obviously Salem for instance broke their all-time record multiple times and by 9 degrees when they hit 117, so that will skew things. I think for that location though, you probably have to give 2021 the edge.

100+ Highs

2015: 5

2021: 6

95+ Highs

2015: 14

2021: 16

90+ Days

2015: 29

2021: 41

 

I'm willing to say for the region as a whole 2015 and 2021 are pretty similar overall. With many spots giving a slight edge to 2015. 

OLM was a full 2 degrees warmer summer 2015 compared to 2021.

Nuff said. 

But seriously, you won't find any station that saw 2021 that much warmer than 2015.

[TT-SEA]

23 minutes ago, Kayla said:

All this talk about eastern WA, I just HAD  to take a look for myself. 
 

Can confirm, it’s ugly. Dry as a sandbox with blowing dust everywhere. Sorry Tim!

Today is probably not the best day... some wicked wind with this storm system.   There are really beautiful scenes to be had over there at times depending on the weather and time of year.    The wine country has some gorgeous landscapes.    And of course you are lumping in Spokane and the rolling hills of the Palouse and Walla Walla by saying eastern WA is ugly.    Not really fair... but I don't take offense since I don't even live there.   Andrew wants to live in eastern WA though.   

Are you coming back to Portland for a visit?

[Kayla]

24 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Today is probably not the best day... some wicked wind with this storm system.   There are really beautiful scenes to be had over there at times depending on the weather and time of year.    The wine country has some gorgeous landscapes.    And of course you are lumping in Spokane and the rolling hills of the Palouse and Walla Walla by saying eastern WA is ugly.    Not really fair... but I don't take offense since I don't even live there.   Andrew wants to live in eastern WA though.   

Are you coming back to Portland for a visit?

Spokane was indeed looking lovely, very lush and much less windy!

Actually headed to Bend (going to snow in Bozeman again on Fri/Sat) for the weekend for a bit of a sunny vaca! Which I also found entertaining cause Bend seems to be the hot goss for today as well!

[Meatyorologist]

47 minutes ago, Kayla said:

All this talk about eastern WA, I just HAD  to take a look for myself. 
 

Can confirm, it’s ugly. Dry as a sandbox with blowing dust everywhere. Sorry Tim!

It has its own charm. The desert is a nice change of pace. But maybe I’m just biased bc all I ever see all day are evergreens.

[snow_wizard]

SEA just had a gust to 40.  Pretty impressive for May.  Certainly a strong / vigorous cold front that just came through.  Yet another day of way below normal temps as well.

Looking ahead....much drier!!

[snow_wizard]

1 hour ago, Kayla said:

All this talk about eastern WA, I just HAD  to take a look for myself. 
 

Can confirm, it’s ugly. Dry as a sandbox with blowing dust everywhere. Sorry Tim!

You're being kind of unfair.  A lot of Central and Eastern WA has trees and gorgeous scenery.  Not to mention a much better climate.

[TT-SEA]

10 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

SEA just had a gust to 40.  Pretty impressive for May.  Certainly a strong / vigorous cold front that just came through.  Yet another day of way below normal temps as well.

Looking ahead....much drier!!

I was mentioning earlier today that this weekend is a clear win for the GFS.   You were talking last weekend about it being nice based on the GFS... and I was skeptical and assumed the ECMWF would be right as usual.    But the ECMWF actually caved.   

[Doiinko]

1 hour ago, Meatyorologist said:

…And those are 1991-20 anomalies. Anomalies from climo that includes 2015 itself, alongside other torrid 2010s summers. In reality add something like 1-3°F and you’ll get a more realistic representation of how far from climo those summers strayed.

Yeah that's true, I forgot about that.

[Kayla]

9 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

You're being kind of unfair.  A lot of Central and Eastern WA has trees and gorgeous scenery.  Not to mention a much better climate.

It was very much tongue in cheek. If you read through the last couple of pages you’d see why!

[Meatyorologist]

High of 57°F today at KSEA. Kind of an underperformance and fairly in line with what the Euro was going for yesterday.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

https://youtu.be/WGwa3N43GB4

[Doiinko]

I was wondering, where did the main low for the February 2021 storm end up hitting? I think it was the one on the night of the 12th.

[MossMan]

And the power is out! Hopefully it comes back on for Thanksgiving tomorrow! 
46 and wind. 
.23” on the day, 4.59” for the month. 

[Deweydog]

37 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

I was wondering, where did the main low for the February 2021 storm end up hitting? I think it was the one on the night of the 12th.

It kinda died just off Grays Harbor.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Pleasant cool cloudy evening. Currently 48 at South Falls. Quite a bit of water flowing over the top. 53/40 with 0.43” of rain today. 

Edited May 19 by SilverFallsAndrew

[Doiinko]

2 minutes ago, Deweydog said:

It kinda died just off Grays Harbor.

I didn't realize how far north it went, I thought it might've been farther south.

[Meatyorologist]

Green Lake

[Phil]

2 hours ago, Kayla said:

All this talk about eastern WA, I just HAD  to take a look for myself. 
 

Can confirm, it’s ugly. Dry as a sandbox with blowing dust everywhere. Sorry Tim!

Sounds like Tim weather. Paradise is subjective!

[Meatyorologist]

[T-Town]

1 hour ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

https://youtu.be/WGwa3N43GB4

Not a very good song but Harry Truman was definitely a big deal for a few weeks. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, T-Town said:

Not a very good song but Harry Truman was definitely a big deal for a few weeks. 

According to that clip it was a #1 hit!

[snow_wizard]

Another 10 degree below normal max temp for SEA today.  Absolutely crazy!  The month to date average is nearly 6 degrees below normal now.  We have a shot at the coldest mins of the month coming up over the next few days now.

[Doiinko]

Even with full sunshine yesterday Portland had a -2 departure.

[snow_wizard]

1 hour ago, Meatyorologist said:

High of 57°F today at KSEA. Kind of an underperformance and fairly in line with what the Euro was going for yesterday.

This month has just been nuts.  Nice to know we can still pull off sustained cold like this.

[T-Town]

11 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

According to that clip it was a #1 hit!

Looks like there was a B side as well -https://www.discogs.com/release/5216856-R-W-Stone-Harry-Truman-Your-Spirit-Lives-On. Probably just as awesome. 

[jcmcgaffey]

44 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

Green Lake

Love green lake. I usually run around it 2-3 days a week. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

11 minutes ago, T-Town said:

Looks like there was a B side as well -https://www.discogs.com/release/5216856-R-W-Stone-Harry-Truman-Your-Spirit-Lives-On. Probably just as awesome. 

Unbelievable. I need this.

[snow_wizard]

4 hours ago, Meatyorologist said:

…And those are 1991-20 anomalies. Anomalies from climo that includes 2015 itself, alongside other torrid 2010s summers. In reality add something like 1-3°F and you’ll get a more realistic representation of how far from climo those summers strayed.

Yup.  No doubt the biggest warm anoms have been in the summer for many years now.  I would much rather have that than in the winter.  At any rate the normal for SEA in July and August for the 1945 - 1975 period were both around 64.0.  More recently we haven't seen a summer with either of those months that low in ages

[Meatyorologist]

1 minute ago, snow_wizard said:

Yup.  No doubt the biggest warm anoms have been in the summer for many years now.  I would much rather have that than in the winter.  At any rate the normal for SEA in July and August for the 1945 - 1975 period were both around 64.0.  More recently we haven't seen a summer with either of those months that low in ages

The year we see a summer like that again (we will, with time), there will be a mass regional exidus.

[Cascadia_Wx]

62/47 day here. Morning rain and breezy, then lots of afternoon clearing and continued breezy conditions. Picked up about .15” precip. All in all a warmer and drier day than forecast.

[Meatyorologist]

-7.6°F at KSEA barring a midnight drop below 46°F.

[Doiinko]

What is going on in the Fox12 weather blog lol...

[Brian_in_Leavenworth]

3 hours ago, Kayla said:

Spokane was indeed looking lovely, very lush and much less windy!

Actually headed to Bend (going to snow in Bozeman again on Fri/Sat) for the weekend for a bit of a sunny vaca! Which I also found entertaining cause Bend seems to be the hot goss for today as well!

Far Eastern WA can be pretty nice (next time you're in Spokane try Manito Park).   Lots more trees, hills, etc.  NE Washington as well.  The West part of Eastern WA, like Chelan and Okanogan County are great too.  In between?  Not so nice, lots of flat land and blowing dust like you say.  

[Front Ranger]

3 hours ago, Meatyorologist said:

It has its own charm. The desert is a nice change of pace. But maybe I’m just biased bc all I ever see all day are evergreens.

Green > brown all day long. 

I don't understand people that would rather have 325 days of sunshine but live in a barren desert, over 200 days of sunshine with lush, verdant scenery. But people are different.

[Front Ranger]

43 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

Yup.  No doubt the biggest warm anoms have been in the summer for many years now.  I would much rather have that than in the winter.  At any rate the normal for SEA in July and August for the 1945 - 1975 period were both around 64.0.  More recently we haven't seen a summer with either of those months that low in ages

Remarkably, despite the UHI they pulled off near 64 Julys in every summer from 2010-12. Have to go back to 2001 before that, and of course nothing close since.

[snow_wizard]

12 minutes ago, Front Ranger said:

Remarkably, despite the UHI they pulled off near 64 Julys in every summer from 2010-12. Have to go back to 2001 before that, and of course nothing close since.

Yeah...there have been a few cooler Julys.  August has been way over the top on the warmth though.  We are beyond due for a cool one.  This year might have a shot.  I think it would be a case of persistent NW wind onshore flow as opposed to gloomy and wet though.

[ShawniganLake]

121k customers lost power in BC today. Truly a winter like wind storm.  Probably the most severe “warm season” wind storm I’ve ever seen

[TT-SEA]

2 hours ago, Phil said:

Sounds like Tim weather. Paradise is subjective!

Strong winds and blowing dust and temps in the 50s is not my paradise.   Palm trees on a beach in Kauai is closer.   

Or a 78-degree deep blue sky day on the boat on Lake Sammamish with music playing and a cold beer in hand.  

[MossMan]

21 minutes ago, ShawniganLake said:

121k customers lost power in BC today. Truly a winter like wind storm.  Probably the most severe “warm season” wind storm I’ve ever seen

8/29/15 still takes the cake down here, we were without power for two days. 

[TT-SEA]

9 minutes ago, MossMan said:

8/29/15 still takes the cake down here, we were without power for two days. 

Were you able to rebuild after that storm? 

[Kayla]

1 hour ago, Brian_in_Leavenworth said:

Far Eastern WA can be pretty nice (next time you're in Spokane try Manito Park).   Lots more trees, hills, etc.  NE Washington as well.  The West part of Eastern WA, like Chelan and Okanogan County are great too.  In between?  Not so nice, lots of flat land and blowing dust like you say.  

Never seen Manito Park, might have to check it out on the way home! I agree wholeheartedly about your take on Eastern WA. West side and east side has some really nice areas but the center area I could do without and today just proved that again for me. Central WA on the other hand is gorgeous where you are and in the Methow. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just compared the summer of 2015 and 2021 at Pendleton and Pasco (FOR TIM). Looks like 2021 was warmer in both locations. 2021 was an astonishing 1.2F warmer at Pasco than summer 2015. 

[snow_wizard]

26 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Strong winds and blowing dust and temps in the 50s is not my paradise.   Palm trees on a beach in Kauai is closer.   

Or a 78-degree deep blue sky day on the boat on Lake Sammamish with music playing and a cold beer in hand.  

I see Cascadia has the weenie tags going for you too.  Glad I'm not the only one!

[snow_wizard]

5 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Just compared the summer of 2015 and 2021 at Pendleton and Pasco (FOR TIM). Looks like 2021 was warmer in both locations. 2021 was an astonishing 1.2F warmer at Pasco than summer 2015. 

It's like Western WA was JUST far enough N and W to miss a lot of the July heat.  Places south and east fried for weeks.

[TigerWoodsLibido]

52F and cloudy. Nice night.

[snow_wizard]

7 minutes ago, Kayla said:

Never seen Manito Park, might have to check it out on the way home! I agree wholeheartedly about your take on Eastern WA. West side and east side is really nice but the center area I could do without and today just proved that again for me. Central WA on the other hand is gorgeous where you are and in the Methow. 

I like Coulee areas in the really dry part of the state, but other than that the "center area" is pretty bad.

[snow_wizard]

Just now, TigerWoodsLibido said:

52F and cloudy. Nice night.

Raw and windy here and down to 46 now.  Impressive CAA for this time of year.

[ShawniganLake]

22 minutes ago, MossMan said:

8/29/15 still takes the cake down here, we were without power for two days. 

That one was a no show up here. Todays storm was much more intense. 

[ShawniganLake]

3 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

It's like Western WA was JUST far enough N and W to miss a lot of the July heat.  Places south and east fried for weeks.

The extreme and persistent heat east of the mountains in BC and Washington likely helped keep things in check for the west side.  Just a daily trickle of onshore flow as the interior baked.