May Winter Continue 2022 PNW

[BLI snowman]

20 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

My wife was counting states the other day... the only states we have never been to are Alaska and Maine.    

Been to both! Both are lovely, though I did a cruise for AK so I didn't make it north of Skagway/Glacier Bay. 

[BLI snowman]

12 minutes ago, Phil said:

If you like western WA you’ll also like Maine. Having been to both places, I can say that, minus the snowcapped Rainier looming in the background, they’re very similar geographically. Conifers dominating the hillsides, a cool marine layer near the coast during the summer, etc.

Only difference is more summer thunderstorms, and blizzards right down to sea level every winter. And summer temps peak a bit later near the coast, often in September.

Maine and the Canadian maritimes' seasonal lag always fascinated me. By the time you get to Halifax's longitude, March is almost as cold as December and September is distinctly warmer than June.

[TT-SEA]

2 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

Been to both! Both are lovely, though I did a cruise for AK so I didn't make it north of Skagway/Glacier Bay. 

My wife wants to do an Alaskan Cruise... but I am too keen on cruises.   I have heard about lots of bad experiences.  Supposedly the rooms are tiny and everywhere you go on the ship is packed.   And the ships are basically petri dishes of different illnesses.   I am sure that is all exaggerated though.  

[BLI snowman]

2 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

My wife wants to do an Alaskan Cruise... but I am too keen on cruises.   I have heard about lots of bad experiences.  Supposedly the rooms are tiny and everywhere you go on the ship is packed.   And the ships are basically petri dishes of different illnesses.   I am sure that is all exaggerated though.  

The rooms are certainly small, but the ideal circumstance is that you'll never have to be in the room for a significant length of time besides to sleep so it was totally fine. There is always plenty to keep you busy, and I never found overcrowding to be a problem. You just have to plan really accordingly based on what you want to do when you're in port. I enjoyed the cruise, but I do think I would have enjoyed it more having a couple of days in each stop.

[Kayla]

32 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

My wife was counting states the other day... the only states we have never been to are Alaska and Maine.    

Been to both! Both beautiful states but I can understand why you haven't been. Not exactly Tim friendly weather.

I've been to every state, but *gasp* Hawaii!

[TT-SEA]

4 minutes ago, Kayla said:

Been to both! Both beautiful states but I can understand why you haven't been. Not exactly Tim friendly weather.

I've been to every state, but *gasp* Hawaii!

I actually think the reason we haven't been to those states is geography... they are very isolated and not states you would happen to pass through.  

[Kayla]

3 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

I actually think the reason we haven't been to those states is geography... they are very isolated and not states you would happen to pass through.  

And Hawaii isn't??

[TT-SEA]

2 minutes ago, Kayla said:

And Hawaii isn't??

Definitely out of the way... but Hawaii is our home away from home.   We go out of our way to get there.  

[Timmy Supercell]

9 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Can't stop geeking out on the PRISM site. We had 12.26" of rain in a 4 day stretch of February 1996. 

Some other interesting notes looking at the data. Early February 6-12, 1985 looks like it must have been an insane Cascade/Foothills snow dump, also late March 1985. 

Our longest streaks of consecutive sub-freezing highs were a 6 way tie. 6 consecutive in December 2013, December 2009, Jan/Feb 1996, Dec 1990, Feb 1989, Nov 1985. Kind of surprised December 2008 didn't make the list, but there were several 33 degree highs mixed in there. 

This is going back to 1981. Some highlights. 

Feb 2011: 31/12, 32/10

Nov 2010: 24/14

Dec 2009: 25/8, 30/7

Dec 2008: 21/12

Dec 1998: 15/6

Nov 1993: 29/13

Dec 1990: 23/5,8/-1, 11/-1, 21/5, 26/8 2nd blast: 22/4

Feb 1989: 8/-1

Nov 1985: 28/12

Dec 1983: 17/6

 

Eastern Washington was colder in December 2008, supposedly that was the equivalent of our Dec 2013 up there.

Jan 2017 had easily the most snow I've ever seen, but really short lived cold. I keep forgetting how quickly we warmed up into the 40's in K-Falls after having one of the 5 coldest lows on record there. lol 

[Doiinko]

2 minutes ago, Timmy Supercell said:

Eastern Washington was colder in December 2008, supposedly that was the equivalent of our Dec 2013 up there.

Jan 2017 had easily the most snow I've ever seen, but really short lived cold. I keep forgetting how quickly we warmed up into the 40's in K-Falls after having one of the 5 coldest lows on record there. lol 

Was that the winter storm that hit Medford?

[Phil]

30 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

My wife wants to do an Alaskan Cruise... but I am too keen on cruises.   I have heard about lots of bad experiences.  Supposedly the rooms are tiny and everywhere you go on the ship is packed.   And the ships are basically petri dishes of different illnesses.   I am sure that is all exaggerated though.  

I was on an Alaskan cruise with family when I was a kid. Based on what I can remember, it probably isn’t your cup of tea..generally chilly weather, lots of clouds and glaciers, and half of the family ended up getting sick with some kind of stomach virus (not me though).

[SilverFallsAndrew]

14 minutes ago, Timmy Supercell said:

Eastern Washington was colder in December 2008, supposedly that was the equivalent of our Dec 2013 up there.

Jan 2017 had easily the most snow I've ever seen, but really short lived cold. I keep forgetting how quickly we warmed up into the 40's in K-Falls after having one of the 5 coldest lows on record there. lol 

It’s amazing to me how solid November cold snaps can be. However rare they may be. 

[Timmy Supercell]

15 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

Was that the winter storm that hit Medford?

Yes, Jan 3-4 2017, Medford had 8" that night. Same one on my signature. It snowed 26 hours in a row (no breaks) east of the cascades. It's actually hard to do 24 hour long snows anywhere in the northwest without some kind of break in the middle. 

Portland's storm was a week after southern Oregon's. The barrage of storms throughout that winter was what made 16-17 really solid. 

[TT-SEA]

Not a bad morning.   At least I can say I saw the sun shining on Memorial Day Weekend.  

[Doiinko]

3 minutes ago, Timmy Supercell said:

Yes, Jan 3-4 2017, Medford had 8" that night. Same one on my signature. It snowed 26 hours in a row (no breaks) east of the cascades. It's actually hard to do 24 hour long snows anywhere in the northwest without some kind of break in the middle. 

Portland's storm was a week after southern Oregon's. The barrage of storms throughout that winter was what made 16-17 really solid. 

PRISM data shows my area having an average temp of 36.9 degrees that winter, so consistently chilly here. 18 inches of snow total, with 13 of that falling in one night. Definitely my favorite winter.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

12z GFS shows showers lingering Monday and next weekend looks very damp.

[Kayla]

Very wet and chilly morning here. Just the beginning of a very wet and raw three day holiday weekend.

Currently 46F and 0.16" on the day so far.

[Mr Marine Layer]

So where will this year's meteorological spring rank in the list of coldest springs?

[Omegaraptor]

As Andrew would say, SATANIC rain in Kelso.

[Kayla]

This is just so good to see for the entire NW region as we head into the first week of June.

 

[TacomaWaWx]

0.03” so far this morning. 

[snow_wizard]

OK...I can officially say this pattern royally sucks.  Still not more than a rogue nice day here and there anywhere in sight.

[snow_wizard]

23 minutes ago, Kayla said:

This is just so good to see for the entire NW region as we head into the first week of June.

 

People really have a twisted sense of what's nice.  Our small window for nice weather up here is shrinking by the day now.  I guess it's fine if you don't like to do things that require dry weather.

When I was hoping for a cold year this is not what I was envisioning.

[TacomaWaWx]

1 minute ago, snow_wizard said:

People really have a twisted sense of what's nice.  Our small window for nice weather up here is shrinking by the day now.  I guess it's fine if you don't like to do things that require dry weather.

When I was hoping for a cold year this is not what I was envisioning.

Some people like it, can definitely  understand those who want it the other way though. It’ll come soon enough I’d bet July-September will be pretty nice. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

According to the PRISM data we hit 107 last June, which makes sense given the park hit 108. 

For comparison this is where we topped out during other big heatwaves:

August 2017: 96

July 2009: 98

July 2006: 99

June 2006: 97

June 1992: 96

September 1988: 96

August 1981: 96

[SilverFallsAndrew]

44 minutes ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

So where will this year's meteorological spring rank in the list of coldest springs?

Probably not that high because March was slightly above normal most places. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

3 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

People really have a twisted sense of what's nice.  Our small window for nice weather up here is shrinking by the day now.  I guess it's fine if you don't like to do things that require dry weather.

When I was hoping for a cold year this is not what I was envisioning.

Yeah, it's not shaping up like 1985. But we can have extended nice weather in September and well into October. 2011 had a pretty pleasant September and October. 2012 was gorgeous in September and early October. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Dang... Sun is out now and the temp is up to 59. 

We'll likely end the month with a an average max around 6-7F below normal, but an average min slightly above normal. So probably around a -3F departure give or take 0.5. 

Edited May 28 by SilverFallsAndrew

[snow_wizard]

3 minutes ago, TacomaWaWx said:

Some people like it, can definitely  understand those who want it the other way though. It’ll come soon enough I’d bet July-September will be pretty nice. 

The one thing that makes this climate bearable for me is what we usually have in the mid May through October period.  Still time for it deliver I guess.  The two things I hate the most are lack of cold / snow in the winter and gloom in the spring (in the years where that happens).

Historically speaking very wet periods often lead to very cold periods so that could be on the table at least.

[Omegaraptor]

34 minutes ago, Kayla said:

This is just so good to see for the entire NW region as we head into the first week of June.

 

Good to see CA still managing rain as well as the eastside. But we really do not need any more rain in the Willamette Valley. Like adding more water to a sopping wet sponge.

[Doiinko]

9 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

According to the PRISM data we hit 107 last June, which makes sense given the park hit 108. 

For comparison this is where we topped out during other big heatwaves:

August 2017: 96

July 2009: 98

July 2006: 99

June 2006: 97

June 1992: 96

September 1988: 96

August 1981: 96

The gap between the June 2021 heatwave and anything before it is crazy.

[Doiinko]

4 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

The one thing that makes this climate bearable for me is what we usually have in the mid May through October period.  Still time for it deliver I guess.  The two things I hate the most are lack of cold / snow in the winter and gloom in the spring (in the years where that happens).

Historically speaking very wet periods often lead to very cold periods so that could be on the table at least.

Let us in Oregon have some of the cold and snow next winter!

[TigerWoodsLibido]

10 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said:

Good to see CA still managing rain as well as the eastside. But we really do not need any more rain in the Willamette Valley. Like adding more water to a sopping wet sponge.

Unfortunately that's not quite true, Eugene is still in moderate drought. Still a bit to go if we're gonna get the upper part of the river in shape. It's better but we need no drought to hopefully keep the fires at bay this year.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

We should break our all time May rainfall record this weekend, but we will also likely end May with 11 days with no precip. It hasn't been THAT bad, especially the 2nd half of the month. 

[Omegaraptor]

3 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

Wrong, Eugene is still in moderate drought.

The drought monitor isn’t always accurate. Soil moisture is above average on the west side from Roseburg area north. And snowpack is of course well above average.

[TT-SEA]

Just now, SilverFallsAndrew said:

We should break our all time May rainfall record this weekend, but we will also likely end May with 11 days with no precip. It hasn't been THAT bad, especially the 2nd half of the month. 

11 days sounds wonderful!   

North Bend is going to end up with measurable rain on 54 out of 61 days in April and May.    The normal number of days with measurable rain in that period is 32.       So yeah... its been about as bad as it gets out here in terms of persistent rain.   

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 minute ago, TT-SEA said:

11 days sounds wonderful!   

North Bend is going to end up with measurable rain on 54 out of 61 days in April and May.    The normal number of days with measurable rain in that period is 32.       So yeah... its been about as bad as it gets out here in terms of persistent rain.   

Yet we have had more rain relative to average at least. Should end up with about 21-22" combined for April/May. 

[TT-SEA]

28 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

People really have a twisted sense of what's nice.  Our small window for nice weather up here is shrinking by the day now. 

Good news is that very persistent rain from April - June is almost always rewarded with a spectacular July - September period in our area.     And the opposite is true as well.    So I am quite confident that we will end up liking this summer into at least early fall.  

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Looking ahead to June. On the PRISM data our wettest June was 1947 with 8.68" driest June was 1951 with only 0.02" of rain. 

Warmest June: 2021 (63.) #2 1918 (62.9)

Coldest June: 1953 (51.8)

June 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012 were all very chilly. 2012 was the last chilly June we have had though... 

[TT-SEA]

Weak offshore in charge out here this morning... as the storm wraps up off the NW OR coast.   The offshore flow is eating away at the clouds and precip as it moves north leaving us dry with some filtered sun.   

[Kayla]

30 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

People really have a twisted sense of what's nice.  Our small window for nice weather up here is shrinking by the day now.  I guess it's fine if you don't like to do things that require dry weather.

When I was hoping for a cold year this is not what I was envisioning.

I'm sure we'll still have plenty of nice weather later in June into July and August. Will just be nice to not be choking on smoke this early summer after the last two years of fires up and down the West.

[TigerWoodsLibido]

8 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said:

The drought monitor isn’t always accurate. Soil moisture is above average on the west side from Roseburg area north. And snowpack is of course well above average.

Maybe down towards the airport. Upriver still needs more.

Even still. We're so much better-off than the last several years that it's not gonna be a bad fire year.

[TT-SEA]

5 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Looking ahead to June. On the PRISM data our wettest June was 1947 with 8.68" driest June was 1951 with only 0.02" of rain. 

Warmest June: 2021 (63.) #2 1918 (62.9)

Coldest June: 1953 (51.8)

June 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012 were all very chilly. 2012 was the last chilly June we have had though... 

 I have said this before... 1951 was just a truly spectacular summer here.  Large diurnal spreads indicate lots of clear skies but there was no extreme heat and there was only 6 days with rain in the entire JJA period in my area.   And the beautiful weather continued all the way until late September.     That was one of the nicest summers I can find in our historical record.    And it happened during the infamous 1950s!  

[Kayla]

8 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Good news is that very persistent rain from April - June is almost always rewarded with a spectacular July - September period in our area.     And the opposite is true as well.    So I am quite confident that we will end up liking this summer into at least early fall.  

Summer hasn't even begun yet and people are already acting like it's over. Most signs point to a dry July-Sept and I'm sure this Spring from hell (for some) will be long forgotten by mid July. 

[Mr Marine Layer]

6 minutes ago, Kayla said:

I'm sure we'll still have plenty of nice weather later in June into July and August. Will just be nice to not be choking on smoke this early summer after the last two years of fires up and down the West.

Smoke could still come up from the south. 

[Mr Marine Layer]

1 minute ago, Kayla said:

Summer hasn't even begun yet and people are already acting like it's over. Most signs point to a dry July-Sept and I'm sure this Spring from hell (for some) will be long forgotten by mid July. 

Not if it's another year like 1964.

[snow_wizard]

3 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

 I have said this before... 1951 was just a truly spectacular summer here.  Large diurnal spreads indicate lots of clear skies but there was no extreme heat and there was only 6 days with rain in the entire JJA period in my area.   And the beautiful weather continued all the way until late September.     That was one of the nicest summers I can find in our historical record.    And it happened during the infamous 1950s!  

The 1950s were totally awesome in many ways.  Many variations of cold (many of which included a lot sunshine).  After the incredible 1951 summer that winter had a lot of cold weather.

[Mr Marine Layer]

It's not officially summer until the 4 Corners High develops.

[Kayla]

9 minutes ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Smoke could still come up from the south. 

I know you have taken up the devils advocate roll on here but it takes a pretty unique pattern to see smoke from the SW into the PNW and even then it would be short lived.

[Mr Marine Layer]

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