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I think January at least starts real winter down here. That's a good thing to see. There are a lot more positives here than negatives. I've been away for a good bit, but I expect things to start rolling soon enough.

Weren’t those both -QBO though? I know 2017-18 was.

This is all going like clockwork according to plan. Yep. Many are writing off December entirely, some even thinking Winter might not stand a chance, just a huge dud, others say January might pan out, but it could be that we'll have to way until February. For most of us we're being lulled to sleep with repetitive hideous model runs. True. When the pattern shifts it's going to be glorious and the forum will awaken from its current comatose state of slumber. Yep.

Yea. We do our family dinner on Christmas Eve and the snow was falling as we were sitting down at the table. Picked up about 2” that night which gave us about 10” on the ground for Christmas morning.

We are actually in a cool ENSO neutral pattern right now with Nino 3.4 at -0.3 and Nino 3 at -0.4 as of last Monday's ENSO Discussion update.