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2 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

How much snow have you had in the past few winters lol?! 

A lot! I didn’t keep close track of measurements but we were around 18” in February 2018, 40” range between February and March 2019, about 12” in January of 2020, 14” in February of 2021, and around 20” or so in December 2021. Then about a foot between February and April of 2022. 

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Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! 

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1 minute ago, MossMan said:

A lot! I didn’t keep close track of measurements but we were around 18” in February 2018, 40” range between February and March 2019, about 12” in January of 2020, 14” in February of 2021, and around 20” or so in December 2021. Then about a foot between February and April of 2022. 

Wow... That's a crazy amount. Is your area in the convergence zone usually which gives you those totals? I'm not familiar with microclimates up in WA.

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1 minute ago, Doiinko said:

Wow... That's a crazy amount. Is your area in the convergence zone usually which gives you those totals? I'm not familiar with microclimates up in WA.

It is, plus I am at just under 600’ in elevation as well which helps. And it’s just a great microclimate! 

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Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! 

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15 minutes ago, MossMan said:

A lot! I didn’t keep close track of measurements but we were around 18” in February 2018, 40” range between February and March 2019, about 12” in January of 2020, 14” in February of 2021, and around 20” or so in December 2021. Then about a foot between February and April of 2022. 

I had more snow in February 2021!! Ha ha!! 

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12z GFS looks pretty decent. Great news if you don't want to fry your buns off. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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2 hours ago, Phil said:

You’ve been to New Orleans in the summer, right?

Now *that’s* real humidity. Life force draining. At least we get frequent breaks up here. Down there it’s constant.

Summer 2017. NOLA in the middle of a heatwave. I will never forget it. 96/80 spread fuckking changes a person. That day I became a man.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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51 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

Wow... That's a crazy amount. Is your area in the convergence zone usually which gives you those totals? I'm not familiar with microclimates up in WA.

Randy is notorious for putting up championship snow totals in almost any weather pattern. I'm mildly surprised he doesn't have a number for this July yet.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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23 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

12z GFS looks pretty decent. Great news if you don't want to fry your buns off. 

Beastly trough at the end of the 06z too.

Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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13 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

Summer 2017. NOLA in the middle of a heatwave. I will never forget it. 96/80 spread fuckking changes a person. That day I became a man.

Ugh man, it’s days like that which make me question the meaning of life.

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Just now, Phil said:

Ugh, it’s days like that which make me question the meaning of life.

You have to wonder why people stayed there. I guess you acclimate eventually. But still, for the first europeans were they just like yooo this sucks but theres already people here so i guess we cant just bail on the place. How many towns were founded by people who showed up in the right time of the year and were like hey this weather is great lets build here...and then were just stuck when the normal weather returned and put up with it. 

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5 minutes ago, RentonHillTC said:

You have to wonder why people stayed there. I guess you acclimate eventually. But still, for the first europeans were they just like yooo this sucks but theres already people here so i guess we cant just bail on the place. How many towns were founded by people who showed up in the right time of the year and were like hey this weather is great lets build here...and then were just stuck when the normal weather returned and put up with it. 

Haha, true. Also those LIA winters were f***ing brutal, and food was a primary concern back then. So the trade offs were a bit different than today.

What really fascinates me is how a bunch of settlers from a temperate oceanic climate could grow a population in what was a much harsher winter climate (much more so than now), without any modern day necessities.

A lot of them died in the early days. But I think it’s a minor miracle those early colonies survived at all.

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Now hearing a scissor grinder at 2pm!! 🤪

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Ashland, KY Weather

'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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2 minutes ago, Timmy Supercell said:

Now hearing a scissor grinder at 2pm!! 🤪

We’re definitely running behind you re: bug season. Only heard a few isolated cicadas so far, and nights are still quiet.

But the years that start late are always crazy in August, since activity is packed into a shorter window.

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2 minutes ago, Phil said:

We’re definitely running behind you re: bug season. Only heard a few isolated cicadas so far, and nights are still quiet.

But the years that start late are always crazy in August, since activity is packed into a shorter window.

The katydids are loud at night. They last longer now too. I remember hearing them up until 4am this morning. They start right after the cicadas stop. 

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Ashland, KY Weather

'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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[Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021]
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5 minutes ago, Phil said:

Haha, true. Also those LIA winters were f***ing brutal, and food was a primary concern back then. So the trade offs were a bit different than today.

During the Victorian Era they also wore about 30 extra pounds of clothing every day in the summer. Must have been absolutely nauseating. 

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2 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Something I have noticed over the years is that my area does very well for snow when there is cold onshore flow south of a Fraser River event where the arctic boundary hangs up around Olympia. Some other good examples of this are January 2012 and November 2006. Even January 2020 delivered heavy snowfall here. 

The pattern that produces these big time Puget Sound events can often be much more favorable for us at elevation 200-250 miles south, than gorge based snow events that impact your area and PDX. 

I'm not sure there have been many 6"+ events here that were all that huge at your location. The shallow gorge outflow events that really nail us usually produce ZR or 33F rain for you up there.

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38 minutes ago, Timmy Supercell said:

The katydids are loud at night. They last longer now too. I remember hearing them up until 4am this morning. They start right after the cicadas stop. 

Yeah it’s interesting how nature works like that. They each have their allotted time slots lol.

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12z Euro spontaneously develops a tropical cyclone over the Chesapeake Bay from a cold front. :lol: Thought I had mistakenly clicked on the goofus link instead of Euro one.

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6 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

I'm not sure there have been many 6"+ events here that were all that huge at your location. The shallow gorge outflow events that really nail us usually produce ZR or 33F rain for you up there.

It's true. February 2021, January 2017, January 1998, January 1980 are good examples. We did have a couple inches of snow with the January 2017 event, but it was in the post frontal airmass early the next morning, when it was snowing in Portland it was raining up here. 

On the other hand events that are big for Eugene are almost certainly big events up here, unless we are north of the main moisture field (December 2013). But December 2021, February 2019, March 2012, January 2008, January 1969, etc... were pretty legit up here. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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Currently 59. Cool day. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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Back on the other side of the pass. The forests you get around 3000-4000’ in the western Cascades with the big trunk diameter Douglas Firs and Western Hemlocks are some of my favorite PNW forests. Around Santiam Junction is a good example. I am aware they get way bigger away from the highway.

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3 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said:

Back on the other side of the pass. The forests you get around 3000-4000’ in the western Cascades with the big trunk diameter Douglas Firs and Western Hemlocks are some of my favorite PNW forests. Around Santiam Junction is a good example. I am aware they get way bigger away from the highway.

The forests of the Opal Creek Wilderness were some of the best. REST IN PEACE. 

The best unburned forest I can think of is in the Middle Santiam basin. 

Some of the forests of the Silver Falls "backcountry" are pretty impressive. I have been exploring the under utilized trail system east of HWY 214, and there are some massive trees back in there. That whole area was logged very heavily in the 1880s-1920s, but they either missed some of those trees, or that area was logged first and those trees are 150+ years old, if they aren't old growth they are very close. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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10 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

The forests of the Opal Creek Wilderness were some of the best. REST IN PEACE. 

The best unburned forest I can think of is in the Middle Santiam basin. 

Some of the forests of the Silver Falls "backcountry" are pretty impressive. I have been exploring the under utilized trail system east of HWY 214, and there are some massive trees back in there. That whole area was logged very heavily in the 1880s-1920s, but they either missed some of those trees, or that area was logged first and those trees are 150+ years old, if they aren't old growth they are very close. 

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Here’s a picture I took on the Trail of Ten Falls in March 2021. This is that section after the last fall going back to the parking lot that is close to the road. 

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4 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said:

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Here’s a picture I took on the Trail of Ten Falls in March 2021. This is that section after the last fall going back to the parking lot that is close to the road. 

The biggest trees I have seen in the park are along the Howard Creek Loop trail and the Buck Mountain trail. We also know this area was heavily impacted by the massive Silverton Fire in the 1860s, though little knowledge of that fire has been passed down we understand it was approximately a million acres and is the largest known fire in Oregon history. My understanding is it burned along the foothills between Silverton and Molalla and then back towards Table Rock. So parts of the Beachie Creek and Riverside Fires burned in its historical footprint. Wish there was more information on the Silverton Fire, but I've never even been able to find a map of where it actually burned exactly, just the general area. Not known how it was caused either, but a good chance is it was started by agricultural burning as the area was already widely settled by Europeans at that point.  

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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56 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

It's true. February 2021, January 2017, January 1998, January 1980 are good examples. We did have a couple inches of snow with the January 2017 event, but it was in the post frontal airmass early the next morning, when it was snowing in Portland it was raining up here. 

On the other hand events that are big for Eugene are almost certainly big events up here, unless we are north of the main moisture field (December 2013). But December 2021, February 2019, March 2012, January 2008, January 1969, etc... were pretty legit up here. 

The western slopes of the Oregon Cascades also really tend to be a sweet spot for anafronts, historically. Likely due to the tendency for some Pacific cold fronts to lose steam and kind of stall out perpendicularly as they trudge over the higher terrain in SW OR, which allows an isothermal column. Eugene does well with them too being at the south end of the valley.

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3 hours ago, RentonHillTC said:

where is the best place to get past weather data for local wX reporting stations? Specifically, say if i wanted to use the LEECHER station and see historical cumulative rainfall for previous years up to this date (e.g., 2015 Jan-Jun, 2016 Jan-Jun, and so on) where would i go and how would i do that? Thanks in advance. 

I'd usually go ACIS and look up the OTX (Spokane) code to find the weather station, but it doesn't seem to be on there. With a quick internet search I found the WRCC page, but I'm not sure that will allow you to see historical cumulative rainfall without quite a bit of manual digging/calculation.

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Home Wx Station Stats (Since January 2008):

Max Temp: 96.3F (2009)   Min Temp: 2.0F (2008)   Max Wind Gust: 45 mph (2018, 2021)   Wettest Day: 2.34 (11/4/22)   Avg Yearly Precip: 37"   10yr Avg Snow: 8.0"

Snowfall Totals

'08-09: 30" | '09-10: 0.5" | '10-11: 21" | '11-12: 9.5" | '12-13: 0.2" | '13-14: 6.2" | '14-15: 0.0" | '15-16: 0.25"| '16-17: 8.0" | '17-18: 0.9"| '18-19: 11.5" | '19-20: 11" | '20-21: 10.5" | '21-22: 21.75" | '22-23: 10.0" 

2023-24: 7.0" (1/17: 3", 1/18: 1.5", 2/26: 0.5", 3/4: 2.0", Flakes: 1/11, 1/16)

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20 minutes ago, Skagit Weather said:

I'd usually go ACIS and look up the OTX (Spokane) code to find the weather station, but it doesn't seem to be on there. With a quick internet search I found the WRCC page, but I'm not sure that will allow you to see historical cumulative rainfall without quite a bit of manual digging/calculation.

This is perfect. thanks

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Going back to the topic of February 2019 (And the first week of March 2019), the amazing thing about that period was how little moderation there was. We were in a cool/cold regime for about 5 weeks, the only warm up at all we had was around the 11-14th, at 1600' that was pretty much the only point between February 2nd and March 10th where rain fell, and even then we did not have highs above 40. At Silver Falls the average monthly maximum was I believe the 4th coldest in the 1938-present period, though unfortunately they are missing January 1950, so we can assume 5th... Still for that to have occurred in February is pretty astonishing. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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12z EPS holds firm on propagating large scale subsidence into the WPAC domain ~ 7/20.

I’m still bullish on a flip to -PNA/+NPO around that timeframe. Legit NW North America trough pattern.

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Looks like SLE is at 73, currently 64 here. Looks like we'll nail down another sub-70 high. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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3 hours ago, Phil said:

Ugh man, it’s days like that which make me question the meaning of life.

 

3 hours ago, RentonHillTC said:

You have to wonder why people stayed there. I guess you acclimate eventually. But still, for the first europeans were they just like yooo this sucks but theres already people here so i guess we cant just bail on the place. How many towns were founded by people who showed up in the right time of the year and were like hey this weather is great lets build here...and then were just stuck when the normal weather returned and put up with it. 

Way too humid in the summer. I couldn't live there year round even though I love their Cajun and Creole cuisine. 

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5 hours ago, Meatyorologist said:

Randy is notorious for putting up championship snow totals in almost any weather pattern. I'm mildly surprised he doesn't have a number for this July yet.

Here was last Sunday’s total. 

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Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! 

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Ran over to Wenatchee and back this morning for work. Hit pockets of light rain between Monroe and Skykomish. Was partly cloudy in Wenatchee this morning when I arrived around 10am but it was already 74 degrees which was lovely!! 

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Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! 

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