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21 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Cold kills too.   Do you lie awake at night worrying about nature hurting itself with cold?   How did the Earth make it billions of years without you around to worry about it.  😀

 

There is a distinct difference between "the ground beneath us will not eviscerate into blinding hellfire" and "our current economic practices are destabilizing the climate system to a certain degree."

The Earth has survived for almost 4.5 billion years, but you won't hear any dinosaurs vouching that figure. I wonder what their opinions are on sudden, unadaptable climate change? 🤔

Also, the cold isn't really doing the killing right now, or really at all in this day and age barring strange and increasingly rare anomalous events, so kind of a weird point to make. Our ecosystem is much better equipped for 0°F cold snaps than 100°F+ death ridges.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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10 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

There is a distinct difference between "the ground beneath us will not eviscerate into blinding hellfire" and "our current economic practices are destabilizing the climate system to a certain degree."

The Earth has survived for almost 4.5 billion years, but you won't hear any dinosaurs vouching that figure. I wonder what their opinions are on sudden, unadaptable climate change? 🤔

Also, the cold isn't really doing the killing right now, or really at all in this day and age barring strange and increasingly rare anomalous events, so kind of a weird point to make. Our ecosystem is much better equipped for 0°F cold snaps than 100°F+ death ridges.

Please stop and don’t interrupt my comfortable 1% lifestyle and jet setting to Palm Springs and Maui. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
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8 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

There is a distinct difference between "the ground beneath us will not eviscerate into blinding hellfire" and "our current economic practices are destabilizing the climate system to a certain degree."

The Earth has survived for almost 4.5 billion years, but you won't hear any dinosaurs vouching that figure. I wonder what their opinions are on sudden, unadaptable climate change? 🤔

Also, the cold isn't really doing the killing right now, or really at all in this day and age barring strange and increasingly rare anomalous events, so kind of a weird point to make. Our ecosystem is much better equipped for 0°F cold snaps than 100°F+ death ridges.

Oh Meaty... extreme cold kills life too.   All the time.    It's the way the world works.  

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3 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Please stop and don’t interrupt my comfortable 1% lifestyle and jet setting to Palm Springs and Maui. 

😀   

Have not ever been to Maui... might be going in January.   I assume you will be taking a jet to Dallas.    You should be hiking there.  You are destroying the Earth.     

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11 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Oh Meaty... extreme cold kills life too.   All the time.    It's the way the world works.  

Except extreme cold is becoming increasingly rare; while extreme, unforeseen heat is becoming increasingly commonplace. So that kind of evades the whole point.

Doing nothing because "tHiNgS hAvE cHaNgEd bEfOrE" is stupid, especially when we are making an impact, have the power to stop, and will face very real and very inconvenient detrimental, if not existential, threats..

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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10 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

Except extreme cold is becoming increasingly rare; while extreme, unforeseen heat is becoming increasingly commonplace. So that kind of evades the whole point.

Doing nothing because "tHiNgS hAvE cHaNgEd bEfOrE" is stupid, especially when we are making an impact, have the power to stop, and will face very real and very inconvenient detrimental, if not existential, threats..

Virtue signaling.   And cold still kills more than heat.    Nature is cruel.   Always has been and always will be.

And yes... we should do our best to minimize impacts.   But I sense some pearl-clutching Gretas on here.    As I mentioned... I think the AOCs of the world do way more harm than good.

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2 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Virtue signaling.   And cold still kills more than heat.    Nature is cruel.   Always has been and always will be.

And yes... we should do our best to minimize impacts.   But I sense some pearl-clutching Gretas on here.    As I mentioned... I think the AOCs of the world do way more harm than good.

Ridiculous statement and of course you get away with it these days because you can. 🙄

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1 minute ago, TacomaWx said:

What are we arguing about again? Lol it’s a nice day y’all should be out enjoying not arguing! 73/58 today. 

Gorgeous day!  Summer perfection continues. 

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2 minutes ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Improperly disposed of masks also damage the ecosystem. The most likely people to do that are the ones who think they need to have their masks on any time they step outside the door, even if they are driving alone or hiking.

Why is this idiot still allowed to post here? All he does is post right wing troll statements and he doesn’t even live in the NW. 

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8 minutes ago, Cloud said:

Ridiculous statement and of course you get away with it these days because you can. 🙄

Get away with what?    There was nothing wrong with that statement.    And I bet there are numerous people on this forum who agree with the sentiment.   But its just an opinion.  

Are you a staunch supporter of the Squad?   

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1 minute ago, FroYoBro said:

Why is this idiot still allowed to post here? All he does is post right wing troll statements and he doesn’t even live in the NW. 

yeah I agree honestly he’s posted some pretty wack things on here. Seems like everyone just try’s to act like he’s not here 😂

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Since coming back to the westside my mom has complained about sweating  because of the increase in humidity from the eastside to the westside… and this is a far cry from a humid summer climate. Just goes to show how incredibly dry central/southern OR summers are.

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7 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Virtue signaling.   And cold still kills more than heat.    Nature is cruel.   Always has been and always will be.

And yes... we should our best to minimize impacts.   But I sense some pearl-clutching Gretas on here.    As I mentioned... I think the AOCs of the world do way more harm than good.

So if I dislike climate change I'm a virtue-signaling, pearl-clutching, head-in-the-sand, AOC-worshipping Greta lover?

What an unhinged, dickhead reply. I've never approached you or anyone else on here like this.

And the majority of the earth's warming since the beginning of the 20th century is about as "natural" as nuclear war. You are right on one thing though, it sure is pretty damn cruel.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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4 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said:

Since coming back to the westside my mom has complained about sweating  because of the increase in humidity from the eastside to the westside… and this is a far cry from a humid summer climate. Just goes to show how incredibly dry central/southern OR summers are.

My wife grew up in Klamath Falls and always talks about humid the summers in the willamette valley are. Then we went to DC in September 2017 and Missouri in August 2020.

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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I will say to Tim’s point, we’ve now lost 5 aspen trees here due to extreme cold in October and May now. We’ve yet to lose any trees to excessive heat. Around town there were 800 hundred city trees that didn’t come back after October 2020. So at least in this climate, extreme early or late season cold has been much more harmful than the warmth. With that said, we need that extreme cold to continue to keep the pine beetle kill offs at bay.

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Cold Season 2023/24:

Total snowfall: 26"

Highest daily snowfall: 5"

Deepest snow depth: 12"

Coldest daily high: -20ºF

Coldest daily low: -42ºF

Number of subzero days: 5

Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: 

https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history

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2 minutes ago, Kayla said:

I will say to Tim’s point, we’ve now lost 5 aspen trees here due to extreme cold in October and May now. We’ve yet to lose any trees to excessive heat. Around town there were 800 hundred city trees that didn’t come back after October 2020. So at least in this climate, extreme early or late season cold has been much more harmful than the warmth. With that said, we need that extreme cold to continue to keep the pine beetle kill offs at bay.

When did anyone ever say cold or snow doesn’t kill? There were a bunch of trees lost thanks to the freakish April snowstorm here, for instance.

But for obvious reasons, ecological problems associated with a warming climate are of much broader concern going forward. Micro-examples to the contrary notwithstanding.

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Beautiful evening. Pig in the lower right corner sunning herself in the low 70s HEAT. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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3 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

When did anyone ever say cold or snow doesn’t kill? There were a bunch of trees lost thanks to the freakish April snowstorm here, for instance.

But for obvious reasons, ecological problems associated with a warming climate are of much broader concern going forward. Micro-examples to the contrary notwithstanding.

Make sure you warn the Vancouver guy about the imminent fish kill coming because the water warmed up a degree.   😀

Totally the same a 110 degree freak heat at low tide.    

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5 hours ago, Phil said:

1991/92 was a strong El Niño in the middle of a monster solar maximum in a record breaking +AO regime (partly brought on by O^3 depletion, a result of both anthropogenic CFCs and intense geomagnetic activity).

And 1982/83 was a frickin super niño, also right in the middle of a massive geomagnetic maximum.

Both of those winters were *uniquely* stacked against significant middle latitude cold. The fact they both followed significant volcanic eruptions is dumb luck.

Look what happened in some of the follow-up winters that were setup more favorably for cold:

1983/84: Significant nationwide arctic outbreak in December. Weak Niña.

1984/85: One of the most prolific CONUS arctic blasts on record in January. DC dropped to -11°F. Weak Niña.

1993/94: Record breaking cold in parts of the US. ENSO neutral.

2022/23 looks like a deep La Niña, possibly bonafide strong. With a rapidly descending +QBO at the ideal time to maximize the NPAC high response.

Don’t see any reason for a zonal outcome. At least not now.

If it is a zonal outcome it will probably be of the cold zonal variety a la 1998-99.

Give me 42 degree drizzle over 52 degree drizzle ANY winter day. The former actually feels like winter.

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6 minutes ago, Phil said:

Outside geoengineering, I’m not sure there’s much we can do (that wouldn’t throw an additional 1/3rd of the world’s population into poverty and/or famine).

If we’re cutting emissions it has to be a unified effort around the globe. Allowing “developing countries” to continue increasing emissions will render the effort pointless.

And all this “degrowth” nonsense you hear from activists isn’t even worth discussing..it will only prolong our transition to renewable energy technologies and leave humanity worse off in the long run.

Assuming the catastrophist scenarios are legitimate, the only way to stave it off would be for countries to immediately invest a quarter of their GDP into developing nuclear power as a “bridge” to more efficient renewable power sources.

You have realistic views.   I enjoy reading your take on climate change. 

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30 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

So if I dislike climate change I'm a virtue-signaling, pearl-clutching, head-in-the-sand, AOC-worshipping Greta lover?

What an unhinged, dickhead reply. I've never approached you or anyone else on here like this.

And the majority of the earth's warming since the beginning of the 20th century is about as "natural" as nuclear war. You are right on one thing though, it sure is pretty damn cruel.

It’s a shame how politicized climate has become. It’s a major obstacle in trying to find solutions to whatever degree the problem ends up manifesting.

As for the last paragraph, that is very debatable. The anthropogenic component to warming was statistically insignificant until after WWII (CO^2 RF is ~ 3.7W/m^2 per doubling @ TOA before any feedbacks, so the pre-1950 increase had a negligible effect on climate).

And it’s very likely there was significant warming across the NH through the 18th and 19th centuries, as reflected in a plurality of medium to high resolution proxies (Antarctica and the tropical east-Pacific are possible exceptions, and may have actually cooled during that timeframe!)

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21 minutes ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Neither do Phil, Front Ranger and Kayla.

I live in the NW.

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Cold Season 2023/24:

Total snowfall: 26"

Highest daily snowfall: 5"

Deepest snow depth: 12"

Coldest daily high: -20ºF

Coldest daily low: -42ºF

Number of subzero days: 5

Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: 

https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history

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