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6 minutes ago, Phil said:

Outside geoengineering, I’m not sure there’s much we can do (that wouldn’t throw an additional 1/3rd of the world’s population into poverty and/or famine).

If we’re cutting emissions it has to be a unified effort around the globe. Allowing “developing countries” to continue increasing emissions will render the effort pointless.

And all this “degrowth” nonsense you hear from activists isn’t even worth discussing..it will only prolong our transition to renewable energy technologies and leave humanity worse off in the long run.

Assuming the catastrophist scenarios are legitimate, the only way to stave it off would be for countries to immediately invest a quarter of their GDP into developing nuclear power as a “bridge” to more efficient renewable power sources.

Yeah we are in the unfortunate position where we have to allow a certain amount of further emissions in order to curb immediate economic disparity and famine in developing countries. Change things overnight and billions die.

Nuclear technology is the future and I wish more countries embraced it instead of clinging on to the red scare. Washington state is fortunate to have an abundance of potential energy from many different natural sources.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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4 minutes ago, Phil said:

It’s a shame how politicized climate has become. It’s a major obstacle in trying to find solutions to whatever degree the problem ends up manifesting.

As for the last paragraph, that is very debatable. The anthropogenic component to warming was statistically insignificant until after WWII (CO^2 RF is ~ 3.7W/m^2 per doubling @ TOA before any feedbacks, so the pre-1950 increase had a negligible effect on climate).

And it’s very likely there was significant warming across the NH through the 18th and 19th centuries, as reflected in a plurality of medium to high resolution proxies (Antarctica and the tropical east-Pacific are possible exceptions, and may have actually cooled during that timeframe!)

Yeah I can concede to that, emissions didn't really start going off until the second world war.

Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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32 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

My wife grew up in Klamath Falls and always talks about humid the summers in the willamette valley are. Then we went to DC in September 2017 and Missouri in August 2020.

September 2017 wasn’t too humid here.

August was absurd though. The dewpoint was 83°F on the day of that solar eclipse.

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21 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said:

If it is a zonal outcome it will probably be of the cold zonal variety a la 1998-99.

Give me 42 degree drizzle over 52 degree drizzle ANY winter day. The former actually feels like winter.

...And doesn't eviscerate the pass level snowpack!

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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10 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

Nuclear technology is the future and I wish more countries embraced it instead of clinging on to the red scare. Washington state is fortunate to have an abundance of potential energy from many different natural sources.

Hear hear!! 🍻🍻

If any candidate pledged to make a large scale investment in nuclear power, they would have my vote regardless of party.

It’s absolutely essential if we want any chance at becoming carbon-neutral inside 50 years.

And it would eliminate our geopolitical vulnerabilities on the energy front. See Germany and mess they’ve gotten themselves into by shutting down nuclear plants and becoming reliant on Russian oil/gas. BIG mistake.

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24 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

When did anyone ever say cold or snow doesn’t kill? There were a bunch of trees lost thanks to the freakish April snowstorm here, for instance.

But for obvious reasons, ecological problems associated with a warming climate are of much broader concern going forward. Micro-examples to the contrary notwithstanding.

No one did which is why I didn't quote anyone but its been implied plenty on here in the past.

Extremeness is the big concern going forward. Ridges are bigger, troughs are sharper and the shoulder season is no exception which has huge implications to our ecosystems. 

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Cold Season 2023/24:

Total snowfall: 26"

Highest daily snowfall: 5"

Deepest snow depth: 12"

Coldest daily high: -20ºF

Coldest daily low: -42ºF

Number of subzero days: 5

Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: 

https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history

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31 minutes ago, Phil said:

It’s a shame how politicized climate has become. It’s a major obstacle in trying to find solutions to whatever degree the problem ends up manifesting.

As for the last paragraph, that is very debatable. The anthropogenic component to warming was statistically insignificant until after WWII (CO^2 RF is ~ 3.7W/m^2 per doubling @ TOA before any feedbacks, so the pre-1950 increase had a negligible effect on climate).

And it’s very likely there was significant warming across the NH through the 18th and 19th centuries, as reflected in a plurality of medium to high resolution proxies (Antarctica and the tropical east-Pacific are possible exceptions, and may have actually cooled during that timeframe!)

Politicization is destroying the country in so many ways.    Extreme wings on both sides are dictating the discourse.   

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7 hours ago, Phil said:

1991/92 was a strong El Niño in the middle of a monster solar maximum in a record breaking +AO regime (partly brought on by O^3 depletion, a result of both anthropogenic CFCs and intense geomagnetic activity).

And 1982/83 was a frickin super niño, also right in the middle of a massive geomagnetic maximum.

Both of those winters were *uniquely* stacked against significant middle latitude cold. The fact they both followed significant volcanic eruptions is dumb luck.

Look what happened in some of the follow-up winters that were setup more favorably for cold:

1983/84: Significant nationwide arctic outbreak in December. Weak Niña.

1984/85: One of the most prolific CONUS arctic blasts on record in January. DC dropped to -11°F. Weak Niña.

1993/94: Record breaking cold in parts of the US. ENSO neutral.

2022/23 looks like a deep La Niña, possibly bonafide strong. With a rapidly descending +QBO at the ideal time to maximize the NPAC high response.

Don’t see any reason for a zonal outcome. At least not now.

1992/1993 also had 30"+ snow at Salem.

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Just now, TT-SEA said:

What resort are you at??  ;)

The part of Tacoma I have certainly never been. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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2 hours ago, TacomaWx said:

Eh true I guess but he definitely says some pretty very weird things like the Pearl Harbor and 9/11 weather comparisons the other day seemed pretty questionable. 

OK, it was crazy what I said, but we all tend to jump to conclusions sometimes and say stupid things that we don't really mean.

Yes, it's really stupid to get depressed about long streaks of gloomy, drizzly weather, especially when there are real weather-related problems in life such as tornadoes and hurricanes that actually are tragic and destructive. Still some of us tend to get depressed anyway, and that's part of the reason why tragedy and sadness are often linked with gray and gloomy weather in literature. It's also why the term "gloom and doom" exists.

The comment I responded to was by GHWeatherChris and he said something about the persistent cold and gloomy weather regardless of whether you love it or hate it, it's still a day. I'm not sure what he really meant by that, but I was assuming daylight rather than darkness. If you were really sad about something that happened (regardless of whether it's lousy weather or a real tragedy) and they told you it happened during the day rather than the night, that would not cheer you up much.

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1 minute ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

OK, it was crazy what I said, but we all tend to jump to conclusions sometimes and say stupid things that we don't really mean.

Yes, it's really stupid to get depressed about long streaks of gloomy, drizzly weather, especially when there are real weather-related problems in life such as tornadoes and hurricanes that actually are tragic, but some of us tend to get depressed anyway, and that's part of the reason why tragedy and sadness are often linked with gray and gloomy weather in literature. It's also why we have the term gloom and doom.

The comment I responded to was by GHWeatherChris and he said something about the persistent cold and gloomy weather regardless of whether you love it or hate it, it's still a day. I'm not sure what he really meant by that, but I was assuming daylight rather than darkness. If you were really sad about something that happened and they told you it happened during the day rather than the night, that would not cheer you up much, so then I exaggerated in trying to make my point.

 Woah, there is a real person behind this account??

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2 hours ago, Phil said:

September 2017 wasn’t too humid here.

August was absurd though. The dewpoint was 83°F on the day of that solar eclipse.

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A day I will never forget.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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28 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

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A day I will never forget.

Same...

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Cold Season 2023/24:

Total snowfall: 26"

Highest daily snowfall: 5"

Deepest snow depth: 12"

Coldest daily high: -20ºF

Coldest daily low: -42ºF

Number of subzero days: 5

Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: 

https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history

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32 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

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A day I will never forget.

I was a bit outside the totality but there was an evident "dimming" in Klamath Falls, almost like when a big storm cloud goes over the sun, but darker than that. Surprisingly the area wasn't too smoky, we had quite a clear sky in southern Oregon that morning.

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'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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[Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021]
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2 hours ago, Meatyorologist said:

Yeah we are in the unfortunate position where we have to allow a certain amount of further emissions in order to curb immediate economic disparity and famine in developing countries. Change things overnight and billions die.

Nuclear technology is the future and I wish more countries embraced it instead of clinging on to the red scare. Washington state is fortunate to have an abundance of potential energy from many different natural sources.

Well...nuclear and Carbon Capture. 

Both technologies have made incredible leaps and bounds. We have demonstrated nuclear plants that can be powered off of the waste of older plants. Direct Air Carbon Capture (the holy grail) fell below $200 per ton of co2 extracted for the first time in limited testing of new tech. There's stuff in the pipeline that'll get that cost closer to $50 per ton. At that point it's an economically feasible game of extraction to create plastics, concrete, and graphene. 

We're never going to convince China, India and Africa to sacrifice their economic growth and cheap energy, so we should push for carbon capture as the most reasonable means to an end. Just gotta get the cost down.

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Beautiful day.  Currently 66F after a high of 72F.  Long range forecast still looks good except for one hot day of 77F on Monday (don't know if it will reach that or not, but it's been consistently saying that for a week now).   Other than that, still low 70s every day.  Everett perfection. 

Hope everyone had an awesome weekend!  

 

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18 minutes ago, quacksax said:

Extreme cold isn’t the only thing needed to keep pine beetles at bay. Drought and warmer temperatures makes it more difficult for trees to produce sap and defend themselves from attack. Warmer weather means longer flight seasons and multiple generations of beetles each year where there used to only be one. Climate change is wreaking havoc on our forests.

Very true. It's really saddening to see. 

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Cold Season 2023/24:

Total snowfall: 26"

Highest daily snowfall: 5"

Deepest snow depth: 12"

Coldest daily high: -20ºF

Coldest daily low: -42ºF

Number of subzero days: 5

Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: 

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4 minutes ago, NWbyNW said:

Beautiful day.  Currently 66F after a high of 72F.  Long range forecast still looks good except for one hot day of 77F on Monday (don't know if it will reach that or not, but it's been consistently saying that for a week now).   Other than that, still low 70s every day.  Everett perfection. 

Hope everyone had an awesome weekend!  

 

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Spectacular pics!

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5 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Spectacular pics!

Thanks!  I went back and was looking at all the great pics people posted.  It's pretty neat to see.  Shame so many are having a squabble right now.  Have a good evening TT! 

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11 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

Apparently Portland had the second longest streak without a subfreezing high from Jan 17th, 2017 to Feb 11th, 2021. The first by a long shot was Dec 24th, 1998 to Jan 4th, 2004.

Seatacs longest streak is the same from Dec 24th, 1998 to Jan 3rd, 2004 but the second is Feb 7th, 2014 to Feb 3rd, 2019

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There is some heat next week on the GFS. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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I do generally agree with Tim's assertion that cooling would be more detrimental. Even if that would more closely mirror my weather preferences. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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7 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

I do generally agree with Tim's assertion that cooling would be more detrimental. Even if that would more closely mirror my weather preferences. 

I demand an ice age. Am I greedy? Mayhaps. 

But just imagine those winters before we're buried in glaciation! 

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A nuclear war between two countries would be enough to plunge the world into a “Little Ice Age”, scientists have warned.

Researchers found that even nations not involved in the dispute would suffer crop failures and plummeting temperatures, as the soot and smoke from nuclear firestorms thousands of miles away would block out the sun.

In the first month following nuclear detonation, average global temperatures would plunge by about 13F - a larger temperature change than in the last Ice Age, warned experts from Louisiana State and Rutgers universities.

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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Just now, ShawniganLake said:

It was quite cloudy here today. Even some light showers.  A 5/10 at best.  Bring on the heat already. 

That sucks.   Today was summer gold for most of western WA.    Glad the ECMWF was too pessimistic.

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1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

A nuclear war between two countries would be enough to plunge the world into a “Little Ice Age”, scientists have warned.

Researchers found that even nations not involved in the dispute would suffer crop failures and plummeting temperatures, as the soot and smoke from nuclear firestorms thousands of miles away would block out the sun.

In the first month following nuclear detonation, average global temperatures would plunge by about 13F - a larger temperature change than in the last Ice Age, warned experts from Louisiana State and Rutgers universities.

Hopefully it’s not a dry nuclear arctic front. And we get some snow before we all die. 

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1 hour ago, Doiinko said:

Amazing photos! I missed the eclipse on the other side of the world... Still a bit annoyed by that.

Get in the right place on April 8, 2024!    Such a long swath too... should allow people to work around the weather with a couple days notice.

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