Official Weather Complaint Thread

[mlgamer]

Just because it was mentioned lately, here is a new report just released about WTC building 7:

 

 

“Our study found that the fires in WTC 7 could not have caused the observed collapse,” said Professor Leroy Hulsey, the study’s principal investigator. “The only way it could have fallen in the observed manner is by the near-simultaneous failure of every column.”

 

https://www.ae911truth.org/news/656-wtc-7-not-destroyed-by-fire-concludes-final-university-of-alaska-fairbanks-report

[Stacsh]

Straw man. I wasn't making any arguments about capitalism. The point is our economic relationship with China has been largely one-sided in favor of China and hurt American workers in various industries who lost their jobs to China over the years. Do you know what "Made in China" means? 

 

Yes, I do know what colonizing means and it fits the circumstances. Does that word make you uncomfortable? If so, why?

 

You don't make arguments about capitalism, but basically the cat is out of the bag when it comes to how the world works.  Colonization is by one sovereignty over another. So you don't know what that means.   Our economic relationship with China has benefited the majority of corporations in America and around the world.  Americans won't work for pennies.  Chinese people will or are basically forced to.  Corporations profit.  BIGLY.  Our deal with china and other countries around the world have a much better result for AMERICANS than the Chinese.  So I don't know wtf you are talking about. 

[mlgamer]

You don't make arguments about capitalism, but basically the cat is out of the bag when it comes to how the world works.  Colonization is by one sovereignty over another. So you don't know what that means.   Our economic relationship with China has benefited the majority of corporations in America and around the world.  Americans won't work for pennies.  Chinese people will or are basically forced to.  Corporations profit.  BIGLY.  Our deal with china and other countries around the world have a much better result for AMERICANS than the Chinese.  So I don't know wtf you are talking about. 

Stacsh, so your argument is Americans in general benefit when American corporations make BIGLY profits by using cheap, forced foreign labor rather than American labor. Using the same logic, having a person in China do your job instead of you actually benefits you. I don't get it.

 

Ok, since you're stuck on "colonization",  let's call it "immigration policy" instead. Large numbers of Chinese immigrants have established communities in the USA and Canada while China allows no such communities of Americans and Canadians in China. There is much more that can be said about this, but let's just say that for now.

[WBadgersW]

Stacsh, so your argument is Americans in general benefit when American corporations make BIGLY profits by using cheap, forced foreign labor rather than American labor. Using the same logic, having a person in China do your job instead of you actually benefits you. I don't get it.

 

Ok, since you're stuck on "colonization", let's call it "immigration policy" instead. Large numbers of Chinese immigrants have established communities in the USA and Canada while China allows no such communities of Americans and Canadians in China. There is much more that can be said about this, but let's just say that for now.

All he said is Americans have the better end of the deal, which is TRUE.

[WBadgersW]

Also, I don't get what you have against Chinese citizens immigrating to the US. Most of the immigrants from China are; legal, upper-middle class, highly educated, and wanting to live a Western style of life.

 

But I won't change you're mind so oh well.

[mlgamer]

"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."  - Robert A Heinlein

[westMJim]

I have read some of the comments and while this post is not directly related to the above post I will toss this up. A reporter from WOOD TV has been sick for over 9 days now. Has all of coronavirus symptoms and has been tested twice now and both time the tests have came back negative. I have to wonder just how many of the test are coming back false negative??? Here in Michigan the latest information is that there have been 11886 test taken with 9162 negative and 2616 positive. I have to wonder how many of the so called negative test are false negative?? Here is a link to today post from WOOD TV. If you want read it over as see what you think remember most if not all of the test taken were supposed to have the symptoms and I am sure most are very sick. Here is the story

https://www.woodtv.com/health/coronavirus/a-journal-day-9-covid-19-test-negative-what-next/

[OmahaSnowFan]

Rough day here for new numbers in the US. Largest number of new cases and deaths and we’re now #1 in the world for cases. We’re still weeks away from the peak as well.

[Minny_Weather]

Rough day here for new numbers in the US. Largest number of new cases and deaths and we’re now #1 in the world for cases. We’re still weeks away from the peak as well.

Weeks away from the peak, but I'm hoping we'll see the curve begin flatten next week as that will be 2 weeks after systematic restrictions were put into place.

 

I'm finding myself in the COVID-19 thread in the West subforum, btw. You guys may be interested in going in there.

[GDR]

TRUMP MAGA 2020!! His leadership is what this country needs not sleepy joe or crazy Bernie! Our county cannot become socialist

[jaster220]

I have read some of the comments and while this post is not directly related to the above post I will toss this up. A reporter from WOOD TV has been sick for over 9 days now. Has all of coronavirus symptoms and has been tested twice now and both time the tests have came back negative. I have to wonder just how many of the test are coming back false negative??? Here in Michigan the latest information is that there have been 11886 test taken with 9162 negative and 2616 positive. I have to wonder how many of the so called negative test are false negative?? Here is a link to today post from WOOD TV. If you want read it over as see what you think remember most if not all of the test taken were supposed to have the symptoms and I am sure most are very sick. Here is the story

https://www.woodtv.com/health/coronavirus/a-journal-day-9-covid-19-test-negative-what-next/

 

Ukraine bought massive amount of test kits from China, only to find them to be 80% DEFECTIVE!! 

 

So hoping whatever we're using meets FDA requirements..

[jaster220]

Rough day here for new numbers in the US. Largest number of new cases and deaths and we’re now #1 in the world for cases. We’re still weeks away from the peak as well.

 

China is under-reporting. Making up the rules as they go, they now have several categories of "positive" results, most of which won't be showing up as confirmed new cases. Also, they are not allowing anyone who re-contracts the disease to be counted. 21 million fewer active cell phone accounts per the 3 major providers there. And chinese use their gadgets for EVERYTHING in their daily lives. It's not just a way to communicate, which makes it even less likely that Peeps are just letting their accounts run out due to a lack of funds. Cell phones are basically their life-lines over there. 

[Stacsh]

TRUMP MAGA 2020!! His leadership is what this country needs not sleepy joe or crazy Bernie! Our county cannot become socialist

 

Trump just signed the most SOCIALIST deal ever!!!!   

[WBadgersW]

919 Italians have passed away in the past 24 hours. This is the largest amount of deaths we've seen come out of the country.

[jaster220]

Trump just signed the most SOCIALIST deal ever!!!!   

 

Thanks to the Dems stuffing the relief bill with self-serving pork, ofc. If he hadn't he would've been attacked as playing partisan politics at a time of national crisis. When in reality, the opposite was true. LOL at Dems. Still trying to bankrupt the tax paying american public. Even during a crisis that will probably achieve it for them.  

[jaster220]

919 Italians have passed away in the past 24 hours. This is the largest amount of deaths we've seen come out of the country.

 

Avg appears to be 1750, so I'm presuming you mean just from the virus?

 

 

 

Italy's population is about 60 million, and its normal death rate is 10.6 per 1000, which is to say about 640,000 deaths per year, or about 1750 per day; the 350 or so extra deaths per day over the last couple of days (if this worldometers.info data is correct) are about 20%.

[Stacsh]

Thanks to the Dems stuffing the relief bill with self-serving pork, ofc. If he hadn't he would've been attacked as playing partisan politics at a time of national crisis. When in reality, the opposite was true. LOL at Dems. Still trying to bankrupt the tax paying american public. Even during a crisis that will probably achieve it for them.  

 

Really, pretty sure small businesses will appreciate what they did.  They did it for the workers.  not corporations.  Did you actually read the bill???? Pretty sure Republicans all voted yes as well.  I guess Trump isn't that great then is he?

[jaster220]

Really, pretty sure small businesses will appreciate what they did.  They did it for the workers.  not corporations.  Did you actually read the bill???? Pretty sure Republicans all voted yes as well.  

 

They added needless unrelated agendas to the extant they could. Your post makes it sound like neither workers nor small biz was getting anything before the Dems did their thing. Really? 

[OmahaSnowFan]

Thanks to the Dems stuffing the relief bill with self-serving pork, ofc. If he hadn't he would've been attacked as playing partisan politics at a time of national crisis. When in reality, the opposite was true. LOL at Dems. Still trying to bankrupt the tax paying american public. Even during a crisis that will probably achieve it for them.  

Psst, both sides tried to add stuff directly unrelated to the current crisis.

The best part of the original bill was where the GOP wanted the majority of the bailouts to go to large corporations, including airlines that used up to 96% of their recent profits and extra money they made from the tax scam for massive record breaking stock buybacks, and then have the gall to threaten to fire people at the end of March unless they're bailed out.

The GOP wants to bailout the cruise line industry which almost every single one lists someplace other than the US as their home so they don't have to pay taxes to the US and now they want US taxpayer money to bail them out.

Even better the GOP didn't want any oversight on where the money was being sent to and Donald proudly claimed he would be in charge of where the money went. During the financial crisis of 2008 and the following bailout, there was tons of oversight including an inspector general and several committees to watch how the money was spent.

On top of that the GOP wanted a person to have to make a minimum of $23,500 to even get help from the government meaning those in the fields most affected by layoffs like food service and the hotel industry that make the low wages won't get any help.

 

GOP loves their big corporations and profits for businesses over taking care of the most vulnerable in this country. Reason #394835 why I will never be a Republican. Greed is their middle name.

[WBadgersW]

Avg appears to be 1750, so I'm presuming you mean just from the virus?

Ugh yeah...

[westMJim]

They added needless unrelated agendas to the extant they could. Your post makes it sound like neither workers nor small biz was getting anything before the Dems did their thing. Really? 

Really?????

Trump and his finger pointing is NOT going to bring this country together. The republicans took care of their self interest as well. That's the way it has always been that is called being a democracy with a capitalist economic system.

[OmahaSnowFan]

The US has crossed 100k official cases. Lord knows there’s 100’s of thousands more out there.

On 3/1, there were 75 diagnosed cases. On 3/27, over 100k.

[GDR]

So my man might have been off a little when he said There was 15 cases and in a weeks time there would be zero. But under his leader ship this will end soon, very soon.

[westMJim]

The US has crossed 100k official cases. Lord knows there’s 100’s of thousands more out there.

On 3/1, there were 75 diagnosed cases. On 3/27, over 100k.

On that site click on the USA and it will break it down state by state and on the right hand side click on source for more information some states have several sources Here is a link to that site

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#news

[mlgamer]

Here are some recent USA numbers from the CDC website for the seasonal flu:

 

2017-2018: 36 million flu illnesses, 490,000 hospitalizations and 34,000 deaths.

2018-2019: 45 million flu illnesses, 808,000 hospitalizations and 62,000 deaths.

2019-2020 (as of 3/21): 39 million flu illnesses, 400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 deaths.

coronavirus(post #827 chart): USA cases 100,000, USA deaths 1,500

 

The important stat is deaths. From the same chart in #827, China - where this started and has been the longest -  has reported only 3,292 deaths. The USA has only 1,500 so far. But these numbers pale in comparison to recent USA flu deaths, including this season. Yet with the flu there is never talk about the medical system being overwhelmed despite all of the hospitalizations and we surely never shut the country down. Now we have this $2.2 trillion pork-laden "stimulus" the House would only pass on a voice vote.

 

How do we rationalize this when even China has reported barely 3,000 deaths which comes nowhere close to annual USA flu deaths? So what gives?

[St Paul Storm]

Here are some recent USA numbers from the CDC website for the seasonal flu:

 

2017-2018: 36 million flu illnesses, 490,000 hospitalizations and 34,000 deaths.

2018-2019: 45 million flu illnesses, 808,000 hospitalizations and 62,000 deaths.

2019-2020 (as of 3/21): 39 million flu illnesses, 400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 deaths.

coronavirus(post #827 chart): USA cases 100,000, USA deaths 1,500

 

The important stat is deaths. From the same chart in #827, China - where this started and has been the longest -  has reported only 3,292 deaths. The USA has only 1,500 so far. But these numbers pale in comparison to recent USA flu deaths, including this season. Yet with the flu there is never talk about the medical system being overwhelmed despite all of the hospitalizations and we surely never shut the country down. Now we have this $2.2 trillion pork-laden "stimulus" the House would only pass on a voice vote.

 

How do we rationalize this when even China has reported barely 3,000 deaths which comes nowhere close to annual USA flu deaths? So what gives?

The disturbing part is that you actually believe what China is reporting.

[WBadgersW]

Here are some recent USA numbers from the CDC website for the seasonal flu:

 

2017-2018: 36 million flu illnesses, 490,000 hospitalizations and 34,000 deaths.

2018-2019: 45 million flu illnesses, 808,000 hospitalizations and 62,000 deaths.

2019-2020 (as of 3/21): 39 million flu illnesses, 400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 deaths.

coronavirus(post #827 chart): USA cases 100,000, USA deaths 1,500

 

The important stat is deaths. From the same chart in #827, China - where this started and has been the longest - has reported only 3,292 deaths. The USA has only 1,500 so far. But these numbers pale in comparison to recent USA flu deaths, including this season. Yet with the flu there is never talk about the medical system being overwhelmed despite all of the hospitalizations and we surely never shut the country down. Now we have this $2.2 trillion pork-laden "stimulus" the House would only pass on a voice vote.

 

How do we rationalize this when even China has reported barely 3,000 deaths which comes nowhere close to annual USA flu deaths? So what gives?

Do you actually believe in what you're saying? You're comparing COVID 19 with the flu, when the better comparison is COVID 19 with SARS.

 

And China has never fudged it's numbers right?

9,100 dead in Italy in 2-3 weeks

4,000 dead in Spain in 2 weeks

You see why hospitals are being overwhelmed?

 

But hey, go ahead and disagree with every reputable governmental health organization and academia professor.

[Minny_Weather]

So my man might have been off a little when he said There was 15 cases and in a weeks time there would be zero. But under his leader ship this will end soon, very soon.

It'd be impossible to end soon under anyone's leadership.

[mlgamer]

The disturbing part is that you actually believe what China is reporting.

Exactly!!! So how do we know ANY of those numbers posted in #827 are accurate?!?

 

And that still doesn't address why so much reaction to this compared to the seasonal flu.

[mlgamer]

Do you actually believe in what you're saying? You're comparing COVID 19 with the flu, when the better comparison is COVID 19 with SARS.

 

And China has never fudged it's numbers right?

9,100 dead in Italy in 2-3 weeks

4,000 dead in Spain in 2 weeks

You see why hospitals are being overwhelmed?

 

But hey, go ahead and disagree with every reputable governmental health organization and academia professor.

Did mean to emotionally trigger you again dude. Just trying to have a reasonable discussion with reasonable people about what is going on. Put me on ignore if you don't like my posts.

[St Paul Storm]

Exactly!!! So how do we know ANY of those numbers posted in #827 are accurate?!?

 

And that still doesn't address why so much reaction to this compared to the seasonal flu.

Stop comparing this to the seasonal flu. You’re comparing historical data versus a virus that has been only known to have been around for 3 months. Apples to oranges at this point. It’s as dumb as Trump saying more people die each year in car crashes.

[WBadgersW]

Did mean to emotionally trigger you again dude. Just trying to have a reasonable discussion with reasonable people about what is going on. Put me on ignore if you don't like my posts.

If you want to discuss, respond to my posts.

 

How are you logically comparing annual numbers to weekly/month. Yes, there is a flu season, but the flu strikes year around.

 

Why are you comparing COVID with the flu. COVID is in the same family as SARS and MERS. Not the flu.

[mlgamer]

Stop comparing this to the seasonal flu. You’re comparing historical data versus a virus that has been only known to have been around for 3 months. Apples to oranges at this point. It’s as dumb as Trump saying more people die each year in car crashes.

Oh c'mon, mortality statistics from different types of deaths are compared all of the time and used to make decisions about health and safety. Let's compare deaths per day using your three months.  This is just an average and, yes, deaths will follow a curve up, then down and not a straight line.

 

Coronavirus: 1,500 deaths / 90 days = 17 deaths per day

Flu 18-19: 62,000 deaths / 365 days = 170 deaths per day

 

Flu deaths are 10x coronavirus deaths per day!

 

Going forward there will need to be 224 coronavirus deaths per day for the next nine months to match the 18-19 flu season deaths.

 

60,500 deaths / 9 months / 30 days = 224 deaths per day over 9 months starting right now!

 

Some initial projections hysterically claimed we would have hundreds of thousands ,if not millions, of deaths and it is moving at a pace 10x less than 18-19 flu deaths so far. People will need to start dying in a hurry even to match the 62,000 flu deaths.

 

So disagree if you like and that's fine, but use arguments rather than name calling.

[St Paul Storm]

Oh c'mon, mortality statistics from different types of deaths are compared all of the time and used to make decisions about health and safety. Let's compare deaths per day using your three months. This is just an average and, yes, deaths will follow a curve up, then down and not a straight line.

 

Coronavirus: 1,500 deaths / 90 days = 17 deaths per day

Flu 18-19: 62,000 deaths / 365 days = 170 deaths per day

 

Flu deaths are 10x coronavirus deaths per day!

 

Going forward there will need to be 224 coronavirus deaths per day for the next nine months to match the 18-19 flu season deaths.

 

60,500 deaths / 9 months / 30 days = 224 deaths per day over 9 months starting right now!

 

Some initial projections hysterically claimed we would have hundreds of thousands ,if not millions, of deaths and it is moving at a pace 10x less than 18-19 flu deaths so far. People will need to start dying in a hurry even to match the 62,000 flu deaths.

 

So disagree if you like and that's fine, but use arguments rather than name calling.

Name calling?? What? Give me a break. This is no longer worth my time. Congrats.

[Money]

Do you actually believe in what you're saying? You're comparing COVID 19 with the flu, when the better comparison is COVID 19 with SARS.

 

And China has never fudged it's numbers right?

9,100 dead in Italy in 2-3 weeks

4,000 dead in Spain in 2 weeks

You see why hospitals are being overwhelmed?

 

But hey, go ahead and disagree with every reputable governmental health organization and academia professor.

This is what I don’t get when people report the deaths with this and try to compare it to the Swine flu etc

 

1. People always look at the mortality rate which is a big deal. Flu I believe is .1 and this is like 1.0+ if you look at the current numbers

 

2. HOWEVER and this is big. We all know the reported cases are way higher than reported. There’s many people that have it and never know. Therefore the death rate is significantly lower than what is reported. Let’s say there’s like 200,000 cases instead of the 100,000 currently. Mortality rate would significantly be lower.

[OmahaSnowFan]

Exactly!!! So how do we know ANY of those numbers posted in #827 are accurate?!?

 

And that still doesn't address why so much reaction to this compared to the seasonal flu.

Everyone doubts China's numbers and is sure they are much worse than reported.

 

Go and look up the transmission rates, the mortality rates, the hospitalization rates, the ICU rates, and the ventilator rates of Covid 19 vs the flu and you'll see why the HEALTH EXPERTS in the MEDICAL FIELD are so worried about this. If they're worried, we should be worried. They're not just speaking hyperbole or trying to create panic either. Lemme guess you think this is the media freaking out the doctors and the hospitals with what the media is reporting the doctors and hospitals are saying? It's funny that you are writing this off as not as bad as the flu so early in the timeline.

We're basically one month into this here in the US. We had 75 cases on March 1, now we're at 104k and still exponentially growing. Lord knows there are many times that, that are still waiting for test results that have been taking weeks in some cases to get results or that are sick but can't get tested bc they aren't critically ill or know someone that has already tested positive.

 

The US now has 1700 deaths, a week ago it was 255. There was 400 deaths today alone, the largest number yet, and the numbers are increasing every day. There was 268 yesterday. We'll soon have thousands of deaths per day, just watch. Keep in mind the death rates will increase the longer we're into this. Louisiana had the highest daily percentage of new case increase the last couple of days. The Surgeon General just said Chicago, Detroit, and New Orleans are going to be the next hot spots this week. Los Angeles said they expect to start having the same numbers a week from now that New York has been having. My state is finally able to test more and just had it's largest day of new cases. They don't think the peak here in Nebraska will be until the end of April or beginning of May!!

 

People don't normally die from this in a couple of days. There is normally a several week lag from new cases to deaths. New York thinks they are STILL 3 weeks away from their peak. Hell Italy just had it's highest number of deaths in one day at nearly 1000 in one day and we have 5 1/2 times the number of people.

 

Also keep in mind there is no vaccine. The health experts expect there to be maybe a brief lull late summer before there is an increase again this fall.

The main doctor for Congress testified that eventually 75-150 MILLION Americans will contract this disease. At 1% death rate, you do the math..... Most countries have had higher rates. Italy is at 10% mainly because their health system was overwhelmed. Exactly what we are trying to prevent here. That's when the most people will die because the hospitals will be overrun.

 

Not sure where you got the 62k for number of deaths as the CDC lists 18-19 flu season as 34k over an entire season. I guarantee you we will be at that number before the end of April, so in 2 months this will outnumber the flu.

"CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza"

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

 

I see people always reference the rates of this vs other illnesses. As with any illness, there will always be under reported cases where people don't seek medical help so you have to go off of what we know the numbers are, and we know the rates for this illness are MULTIPLES OF TIMES higher and again this is just getting started.

 

Lastly, you seem really pissed about a BIPARTISAN bill for the COUNTRY that is needed, that was created and passed in the Republican led Senate first on a UNANIMOUS VOTE, that then passed with a voice vote bc that's what the entire floor wanted except for that one ******* from Kentucky, and the entire floor cheered when it was done.

[WBadgersW]

This is what I don’t get when people report the deaths with this and try to compare it to the Swine flu etc

 

1. People always look at the mortality rate which is a big deal. Flu I believe is .1 and this is like 1.0+ if you look at the current numbers

 

2. HOWEVER and this is big. We all know the reported cases are way higher than reported. There’s many people that have it and never know. Therefore the death rate is significantly lower than what is reported. Let’s say there’s like 200,000 cases instead of the 100,000 currently. Mortality rate would significantly be lower.

Very true. Mortality will end up being lower than currently advertised. However, COVID will still be more deadly than the flu, but less deadly than SARS. We'll have to wait and see where we end up.

[Money]

Very true. Mortality will end up being lower than currently advertised. However, COVID will still be more deadly than the flu, but less deadly than SARS. We'll have to wait and see where we end up.

Which is kind of my point. We don’t shut everything down for the flu but 20,000 people die from it each year. At some point you kind of have to decide if shutting everything down is a smart thing to do or if they are going overboard with it

[Stacsh]

265 covid deaths yesterday. That’s increasing. = 100k a year. Comparing it to the flu is completely ignorant.

 

Actually over 600 deaths yesterday. Times that per day that would be 219k deaths. But but flu!!! Morons

[Money]

265 covid deaths yesterday. That’s increasing. = 100k a year. Comparing it to the flu is completely ignorant.

 

Actually over 600 deaths yesterday. Times that per day that would be 219k deaths. But but flu!!! Morons

lol you are acting like the virus could happen year around which there is no proof of that. Nice name calling though!