Official Weather Complaint Thread

[Stacsh]

lol you are acting like the virus could happen year around which there is no proof of that. Nice name calling though!

The virus can happen year round. Proof that it doesn’t? And yes comparing this to flu makes you a moron. your are just some dime a dozen expert on viruses now on the internet. I’ll trust real doctors than some turd on a weather site.

[mlgamer]

 

Not sure where you got the 62k for number of deaths as the CDC lists 18-19 flu season as 34k over an entire season. I guarantee you we will be at that number before the end of April, so in 2 months this will outnumber the flu.

 

Sorry bout that. I was using 17-18 numbers not 18-19. My bad.

 

Ok, so we now know that comparing COVID-19 to the flu is "dumb", "ignorant", and "morons". Glad to have that settled.

 

This could very well be a bio-weapon that was accidentally or deliberately let loose. Joe Biden has pretty much disappeared with Governor Cuomo now looking oh-so-presidential. Are the Dems and media keeping everyone in panic and fear to stop a Trump re-election? Maybe we'll know when the bodies start to pile up or not.

 

And you guys in Michigan good luck if you get the virus. Your Dem Gov pretty much banned the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment when Trump and others claim it is highly effective. Now why would she do that? Is Trump lying?

 

The good news is it looks like Treasury has taken over the Fed!  And Trump may be doing other good things behind the scenes! We'll see!

 

Echo chambers are fun!  WWG1WGA!

 

Meanwhile, my weather has been meh for quite some time.  Today's severe weather risk looks pretty serious. Stay safe!

[Money]

The virus can happen year round. Proof that it doesn’t? And yes comparing this to flu makes you a moron. your are just some dime a dozen expert on viruses now on the internet. I’ll trust real doctors than some turd on a weather site.

“You’re”

[WBadgersW]

lol you are acting like the virus could happen year around which there is no proof of that. Nice name calling though!

To be fair we have to assume the virus can happen year around since we have no evidence on the contrary. There is some evidence warm + humid conditions can slow the spread, but not nearly enough to assume anything.

[Money]

The virus can happen year round. Proof that it doesn’t? And yes comparing this to flu makes you a moron. your are just some dime a dozen expert on viruses now on the internet. I’ll trust real doctors than some turd on a weather site.

Nah. There’s been zero proof this virus is year around. You extrapolated data to try and prove a point. Your prediction is almost as bad as other models that predicted there would be millions of deaths based on death rates that we know aren’t true

[WBadgersW]

Which is kind of my point. We don’t shut everything down for the flu but 20,000 people die from it each year. At some point you kind of have to decide if shutting everything down is a smart thing to do or if they are going overboard with it

But... It's not the flu... It's a more mild version of SARS.

 

I can't say whether or not the shut down is worth it until everything is done. I find it interesting the UK and Netherlands initially relied on hurd immunity, but then proceeded to close everything. What made them do a 180?

[westMJim]

Nah. There’s been zero proof this virus is year around. You extrapolated data to try and prove a point. Your prediction is almost as bad as other models that predicted there would be millions of deaths based on death rates that we know aren’t true

There is also zero proof that it is NOT year around. And even it is is not year around there is a good chance that it will hit even harder in the fall and into next winter. Remember a virus is a living orgasm and thus it will do what it needs to do for it survival.   

[jaster220]

Always a silver lining if we only look for it..

 

[Minny_Weather]

The virus is spreading well in warm climates like Florida and Singapore. I think that's decent evidence that it's year-round.

[Minny_Weather]

Always a silver lining if we only look for it..

 

China fatality data.PNG

I can agree with that. We need to consider the sheer number of cases that have been walking around unchecked. Certainly not everybody that is experiencing mild symptoms is going to go get tested, and people who aren't literally dying are getting turned away from testing. On the latter, I think a sharp increase in infection rate down the road can be attributed partially to those people FINALLY being tested.

[westMJim]

Which is kind of my point. We don’t shut everything down for the flu but 20,000 people die from it each year. At some point you kind of have to decide if shutting everything down is a smart thing to do or if they are going overboard with it

Now from this stand point I can see were you are coming from. But the way other countries were doing even before the shut down here happened I have to wonder if there is a lot that the governments  around the word are NOT telling us about this virus? Just thing about it China shut down way, way before we did and do you wonder why they did that? I sure do.

[westMJim]

Always a silver lining if we only look for it..

 

China fatality data.PNG

The big word here is SOME I am sure there are SOME who think it will kill many more. Just think of the weather models some will point to 25" of snow while other will point towards 5 now the question is what ones are right an what ones are wrong. At this time we live is a state that very well might become the next "hot spot" it will not be contained just to Detroit and SE Michigan and we are also between Detroit and Chicago with I 94 running between the two. 

[westMJim]

I can agree with that. We need to consider the sheer number of cases that have been walking around unchecked. Certainly not everybody that is experiencing mild symptoms is going to go get tested, and people who aren't literally dying are getting turned away from testing. On the latter, I think a sharp increase in infection rate down the road can be attributed partially to those people FINALLY being tested.

Both my son and his wife work for Spectrum Health here in Grand Rapids and one thing that they have mentioned is that there are a lot of people that have the symptoms. Fever, cough and shortness of breath and and that is the test criteria. But there seems to be a lot of the test that come back negative and there is some who wonder if there is are lot of false negative test coming back

[Minny_Weather]

Both my son and his wife work for Spectrum Health here in Grand Rapids and one thing that they have mentioned is that there are a lot of people that have the symptoms. Fever, cough and shortness of breath and and that is the test criteria. But there seems to be a lot of the test that come back negative and there is some who wonder if there is are lot of false negative test coming back

Are they being tested for flu first? I know that's what they're doing in most places to rule that out first.

[westMJim]

Are they being tested for flu first? I know that's what they're doing in most places to rule that out first.

Yes they are also being tested for the flu (not sure if it is 1st or not) as well not sure what % are positive for the flu vs the virus but I know there are people that have come back negative for both and have been sick for over a week or so. Anyway here in Grand Rapids so far more test have came back negative then positive. At least that has been the case so far. Side note my son works in insurance billing and his wife works in radiology. 

[Stormy]

If you want to discuss, respond to my posts.

How are you logically comparing annual numbers to weekly/month. Yes, there is a flu season, but the flu strikes year around.

Why are you comparing COVID with the flu. COVID is in the same family as SARS and MERS. Not the flu.

It’s not nearly as deadly as MERS was but way more contagious.

[WBadgersW]

It’s not nearly as deadly as MERS was but way more contagious.

Agreed. It's more mild than MERS/SARS. Genetically COVID has more in common with MERS/SARS than the flu.

[Stormy]

[jaster220]

Now, unless you are normally sitting on a month's supply of daily necessities, you've likely been needing to re-stock the fridge, fruit bowl, and pet food bin. Is anyone else having supply chain issues?? Are you all just going out to your local supermarket and finding everything in stock? My wife doesn't want me to go out in public if it can be avoided so I'm trying "shop online" from my local grocery store for the first time ever. They will select my items (presuming they still have them) and bring them to my car in designated parking spot(s). This at least limits my contact/exposure to that individual versus going into the store and walking around, waiting in line, checking out, etc. But the next open time slot here in Marshall (only 1 store offers this here) was next Friday morning! I took the slot and paid ahead just in case things get worse and not better. I'll admit, with nothing like this having happened in my entire lifetime I've been taken off guard you could say. 

 

Anyways, just wondering what y'all are doing for your fam's daily/weekly needs? 

[westMJim]

Now, unless you are normally sitting on a month's supply of daily necessities, you've likely been needing to re-stock the fridge, fruit bowl, and pet food bin. Is anyone else having supply chain issues?? Are you all just going out to your local supermarket and finding everything in stock? My wife doesn't want me to go out in public if it can be avoided so I'm trying "shop online" from my local grocery store for the first time ever. They will select my items (presuming they still have them) and bring them to my car in designated parking spot(s). This at least limits my contact/exposure to that individual versus going into the store and walking around, waiting in line, checking out, etc. But the next open time slot here in Marshall (only 1 store offers this here) was next Friday morning! I took the slot and paid ahead just in case things get worse and not better. I'll admit, with nothing like this having happened in my entire lifetime I've been taken off guard you could say. 

 

Anyways, just wondering what y'all are doing for your fam's daily/weekly needs? 

Do you have a Meijer store in Marshall? I did sign up for the home delivery but have not yet used it yet. Also I have not seen any of my  neighbors have any delivery's  yet. My son used it and said it worked fine for him. If you do use Meijer they will ask if you want to substitute and remember some items are is very short supply so good luck

[jaster220]

Do you have a Meijer store in Marshall? I did sign up for the home delivery but have not yet used it yet. Also I have not seen any of my  neighbors have any delivery's  yet. My son used it and said it worked fine for him. If you do use Meijer they will ask if you want to substitute and remember some items are is very short supply so good luck

 

Small town here so no Meijer. You've needed nothing since the state of emergency was declared back on the 10th? I know it was 2 or 3 days before the whole TP run happened but that's still 16 days ago now. How are you getting highly perishable items like milk and fresh fruit for instance?

[GDR]

I can hear it now, the sorry libs will say Russia caused it so trump will get 4 more years!

[Stacsh]

I can hear it now, the sorry libs will say Russia caused it so trump will get 4 more years!

Nice original thought!

[Stacsh]

On pace for much less infections than the flu but 81k deaths by July. But you know. The flu.

[westMJim]

Small town here so no Meijer. You've needed nothing since the state of emergency was declared back on the 10th? I know it was 2 or 3 days before the whole TP run happened but that's still 16 days ago now. How are you getting highly perishable items like milk and fresh fruit for instance?

You brought a very good point that perishable items are going to be difficult to get the longer this last There is a chance that we may have to go without for a while As to what I did so far this month While Michigan was ahead of many other states the emergency started out with small groups on the 13th. but everything was still open (Ohio started earlier I think on the 11th or 12th) Then bars and restaurants were closed except for take out and delivery. That happened on the 16th then the stay at home started on the 24th. I did go to the store on the 18th and again on the 25th but I not sure about the next 4 to 6 weeks what I will do. 

[Niko]

Tip:

 

Best thing to do as far as shopping in markets is to be smart, keep distance, wipe down carts and if you wear gloves, toss them b4 you enter back in your car and then when you get home, make sure you have a section ready to place your groceries on one side. Take out each item from the bag and wipe it down and place it on the other side of counter. Dont keep the grocery bags btw and don't take receipts. Anything that is in a box, make sure you toss the box away and place it inside your pantry that way (much safer..i.e., cereal box, garbage bags, and etc) It will take up some time, but better safe than sorry. Try to get a lot of groceries to avoid trips there as often as possible. I usually stock up a lot!

[OmahaSnowFan]

[OmahaSnowFan]

Dr. Faucci, the world’s preeminent expert on infectious diseases and the guy that’s been there with the WH every day is predicting 100 THOUSAND to 200 THOUSAND AMERICANS will die from COVID-19. But tell me more about the flu.

https://abc7ny.com/health/dr-fauci-predicts-100k-200k-us-deaths-from-coronavirus/6060429/?fbclid=IwAR1PxinwyoS2-b-LJxu11TX23Z8cgKuA-haZvcaAqZhikRcfQs76v9BlmFw

[OmahaSnowFan]

[mlgamer]

Dr. Faucci, the world’s preeminent expert on infectious diseases and the guy that’s been there with the WH every day is predicting 100 THOUSAND to 200 THOUSAND AMERICANS will die from COVID-19. But tell me more about the flu.

https://abc7ny.com/health/dr-fauci-predicts-100k-200k-us-deaths-from-coronavirus/6060429/?fbclid=IwAR1PxinwyoS2-b-LJxu11TX23Z8cgKuA-haZvcaAqZhikRcfQs76v9BlmFw

If you actually watch the video at the link Dr. Faucci cautions everyone that this is a moving target and it is really hard to say for sure and wasn't being anywhere near as alarmist as you're making it sound.

 

And he also says something all of us weather enthusiasts should know, models are only as good as their underlying assumptions! Assumptions can be wrong!  Sorry dude, but you're engaging in #FearPorn just like the media has been doing.

 

You can tell the Trump haters in the media and elsewhere are going to be disappointed if the high body counts don't come true. The Democrat governors in NEV and MI have banned a simple, safe and low-cost treatment regimen that Trump and others in the medical profession claim is effective. What if this treatment really does work? Since when do governors get to practice medicine without a license? Also what happened to the pro-choice mantra that health decisions are between a patient and doctor?

 

The recent flu of 17-18 killed 62,000 Americans without shutting down the country. So yeah people will be comparing flu numbers to see how many deaths occur and in the end did shutting down the country cause more harm.

[WBadgersW]

Still with this flu nonsense...

 

Yet no explanation why we're comparing two very different viruses.

[Minny_Weather]

Dr. Faucci, the world’s preeminent expert on infectious diseases and the guy that’s been there with the WH every day is predicting 100 THOUSAND to 200 THOUSAND AMERICANS will die from COVID-19. But tell me more about the flu.

https://abc7ny.com/health/dr-fauci-predicts-100k-200k-us-deaths-from-coronavirus/6060429/?fbclid=IwAR1PxinwyoS2-b-LJxu11TX23Z8cgKuA-haZvcaAqZhikRcfQs76v9BlmFw

He later said on a FOX News interview that this is his worst-case scenario prediction, and that number could very well be overkill. Yes this is worse than the flu, but just trying to prevent hysteria.

[mlgamer]

Still with this flu nonsense...

 

Yet no explanation why we're comparing two very different viruses.

The reason they can be compared is they have important similarities, including, deaths, hospitalizations and their immediate impact on the medical system along with more general societal impacts. The expectations of a new virus or flu can be compared to similar historical events in terms of those things to give us guidance on the best course of actions to take. Shutting down the country like this can result in deaths as well: suicides, stress related deaths from heart attacks, increased risky behaviors and so on. Not to mention Constitutional issues.

 

The reason you call this nonsense is you reject anything that presents a more optimistic picture and doesn't support the worst case scenarios. Even Dr. Faucci keeps emphasizing that we really don't know and the situation is fluid. Trump haters and the media are also doing this to keep everyone in a big panic for their usual political purposes. #FearPorn

[WBadgersW]

The reason they can be compared is they have important similarities, including, deaths, hospitalizations and their immediate impact on the medical system along with more general societal impacts. The expectations of a new virus or flu can be compared to similar historical events in terms of those things to give us guidance on the best course of actions to take. Shutting down the country like this can result in deaths as well: suicides, stress related deaths from heart attacks, increased risky behaviors and so on. Not to mention Constitutional issues.

 

The reason you call this nonsense is you reject anything that presents a more optimistic picture and doesn't support the worst case scenarios. Even Dr. Faucci keeps emphasizing that we really don't know and the situation is fluid. Trump haters and the media are also doing this to keep everyone in a big panic for their usual political purposes. #FearPorn

Every reputable public health official has been fighting the notion that this is like the flu. Death rates are different, Hospitals rates are different, genetic component is different. You just said it's helpful to compare new events with previous outbreaks. The problem is, the flu and COVID are caused by completely different viruses. They are not the same. Even when comparing this virus to its' cousin SARS, there are significant differences. There is a fine line when comparing viruses because viruses among different families act in a wide variety of ways.

 

What worries me is how their is an active part of the population that activity believes they know more than the CDC, NIH, Doctors, Nurses, PHO, and the Surgeon General. Instead of focusing on the pandemic itself, these agencies now have to convince others, including government officials, that this threat is dangerous. This is what we deal with in Africa regarding Ebola and AIDS/HIV. Apparently, here too.

 

If you think I - or majority of others- are using using this Pandemic for political reasons you are GREATLY mistaken. We follow the research and the science, not the media or politicians. Public health > Economy. Is the shutdown necessary? I don't have an answer to that. It might me, it might not be. Don't panic, just follow what health experts say.

 

The lengths China went to in order to contain this virus should tell you just how serious this thing is dangerous.

 

"Suicides, stress related deaths from heart attacks, increased risky behaviors and so on". - Well the same is true when you force people to work during a Pandemic.

 

"Dr. Faucci keeps emphasizing that we really don't know and the situation is fluid". Exactly, expect the worst, even though it's unlikely. You can't play your chances with pandemics.

[WBadgersW]

COVID 19 is caused by SARS-CoV-2 which is a positive sense SSRNA virus. Belongs with the Nidovirales.

 

Influenza(s) is a Negative Sense SSRNA and belongs in the Articulavirales.

 

Pretty big difference

[OmahaSnowFan]

Look the narcissistic ******* is bragging about ratings for his pandemic news conferences. What a sick, petty, pathetic, fragile ego little man.

He cares more about his ratings and himself then anything else. The way he’s been his entire life.

#TrumpLiesPeopleDie

[OmahaSnowFan]

The reason they can be compared is they have important similarities, including, deaths, hospitalizations and their immediate impact on the medical system along with more general societal impacts. The expectations of a new virus or flu can be compared to similar historical events in terms of those things to give us guidance on the best course of actions to take. Shutting down the country like this can result in deaths as well: suicides, stress related deaths from heart attacks, increased risky behaviors and so on. Not to mention Constitutional issues.

 

The reason you call this nonsense is you reject anything that presents a more optimistic picture and doesn't support the worst case scenarios. Even Dr. Faucci keeps emphasizing that we really don't know and the situation is fluid. Trump haters and the media are also doing this to keep everyone in a big panic for their usual political purposes. #FearPorn

Stupid cult. ‍♂‍♂‍♂

[St Paul Storm]

I see Donny has abandoned his ‘packed pews on Easter’ idea. I wonder why...

[jaster220]

COVID 19 is caused by SARS-CoV-2 which is a positive sense SSRNA virus. Belongs with the Nidovirales.

 

Influenza(s) is a Negative Sense SSRNA and belongs in the Articulavirales.

 

Pretty big difference

 

Yep, and I'm pretty sure we all realize by now that this virus is WORSE than the typical flu. It's more akin to "viral pneumonia" whether that's a medical term or not idk. My personal experience with traditional pneumonia is that it hits and hits hard! Even experts have used the regula old flu for comparison's sake, so I don't see why that's a sticking point. We really won't know until all the numbers are in just how much worse? Most comments, including the good Dr's are at best an educated bet at this point. Stay tuned..

[GDR]

He later said on a FOX News interview that this is his worst-case scenario prediction, and that number could very well be overkill. Yes this is worse than the flu, but just trying to prevent hysteria.

Good point! If it’s not coming from Fox News I wouldn’t trust it.