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On 1/26/2023 at 6:00 PM, Bryan1117 said:

Disgusting… the literal middle finger from Mother Nature to us snow lovers in Omaha and Lincoln.

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This winter has certainly sucked by I can’t complain. The last 4 winters have been pretty for Mid Mo. We were due for a bad one. 

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1 hour ago, ATW said:

This winter has certainly sucked by I can’t complain. The last 4 winters have been pretty for Mid Mo. We were due for a bad one. 

Two bad winters in a row has been brutal (dry, cold, bad thermals - it's been a mix of crap lately)... it's sad that I really hope we don't get anymore snow this season - right now I am done with Winter. Winter used to be my favorite season however that's not the case anymore with these recent lousy winters... hopefully this Spring can deliver the goods here and make up for this current drought pattern. 

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In retrospect this winter has taught me a few things.  
 

1.  The warm winters in michigan it can still snow just not as much.

2.   This winter has felt more like winters we experience in the PNW (west of the Cascades).  
 

3.  South Dakota was the place to be this winter.

4.  Someone needs to turn down the magnet because we had a lot of Low pressures go right over us.  

5. No matter how bad the winter was here I have seen snow every year. 
 

 

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On 2/6/2023 at 7:43 PM, WinterSquall23 said:

In retrospect this winter has taught me a few things.  
 

1.  The warm winters in michigan it can still snow just not as much.

2.   This winter has felt more like winters we experience in the PNW (west of the Cascades).  
 

3.  South Dakota was the place to be this winter.

4.  Someone needs to turn down the magnet because we had a lot of Low pressures go right over us.  

5. No matter how bad the winter was here I have seen snow every year. 
 

 

How long have you been here in SEMI? This year reminds me of several dud winters we got here in SEMI back in 87/88/89 and to some extent 90 tho that one was better. We just got a bit spoiled with the 15 year stretch of mostly good to great to even historic seasons. Back to reality, especially for me personally since my relocation has piggy-backed a pair of weak winters on top of my final one at my old area. 

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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13 hours ago, jaster220 said:

How long have you been here in SEMI? This year reminds me of several dud winters we got here in SEMI back in 87/88/89 and to some extent 90 tho that one was better. We just got a bit spoiled with the 15 year stretch of mostly good to great to even historic seasons. Back to reality, especially for me personally since my relocation has piggy-backed a pair of weak winters on top of my final one at my old area. 

@jaster220  about 5 years.  So just new to the area. All relative , but bad winter here is still winter. It did snow, it did get cold, and we had snow over for over two weeks.  I guess it is all relative.  I know this is nothing compared to the UP and Northern Michigan, but when you have lived in an area for over 30 years where you wonder is it going to snow at all.  I am beyond thankful especially this year when we had a white Christmas. What we are experiencing now with the temps/rain/wind is a Seattle winter.  Sorry you had to experience these last two, first year I moved here in 2017 was something else.  If these are duds , I can’t wait till we get a real winter.  Maybe they come every 4 years, but they will come. 

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3 minutes ago, WinterSquall23 said:

@jaster220  about 5 years.  So just new to the area. All relative , but bad winter here is still winter. It did snow, it did get cold, and we had snow over for over two weeks.  I guess it is all relative.  I know this is nothing compared to the UP and Northern Michigan, but when you have lived in an area for over 30 years where you wonder is it going to snow at all.  I am beyond thankful especially this year when we had a white Christmas. What we are experiencing now with the temps/rain/wind is a Seattle winter.  Sorry you had to experience these last two, first year I moved here in 2017 was something else.  If these are duds , I can’t wait till we get a real winter.  Maybe they come every 4 years, but they will come. 

Also these storms are what we call a Chinook wind in the Northwest .  Southern winds+warm temps+rain = suck.  could melt 6 inches of snow in less than a day.  We have patches now. 

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I'm so done with this season. I'm ready to put my snowboards in the attic and call it quits for 8 months. I volunteer for ski patrol and go through hundreds of hours of training just so i can have it rain before I spend eight and a half hours with garbage snow reading a stupid ebook because there's nothing else to do. I was gonna buy myself a few days at Granite Peak or a new snowboard or something to celebrate finally graduating from being a candidate but I'm so tired of this winter I just spent all that budget on jet ski stuff for the spring. And now after a bunch of rain we're getting the useless wrap around pity snow of an inch or less just to taunt me. Selling my snowmobile, I just want to pass this final stupid toboggan test so I can have winter **** off.

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12 hours ago, WinterSquall23 said:

@jaster220  about 5 years.  So just new to the area. All relative , but bad winter here is still winter. It did snow, it did get cold, and we had snow over for over two weeks.  I guess it is all relative.  I know this is nothing compared to the UP and Northern Michigan, but when you have lived in an area for over 30 years where you wonder is it going to snow at all.  I am beyond thankful especially this year when we had a white Christmas. What we are experiencing now with the temps/rain/wind is a Seattle winter.  Sorry you had to experience these last two, first year I moved here in 2017 was something else.  If these are duds , I can’t wait till we get a real winter.  Maybe they come every 4 years, but they will come. 

2017-18 winter was big for SEMI (less so where I lived in SWMI), so you have seen a good winter then. Just a string of avg to below since that one. The best in recent times for me were 08-09 and 13-14 when I had 100 inches both seasons. I had 7 legit Storm Warnings in 13-14. After amazing winters like those, it's tough getting a third (or less if we don't get more this season) as I've had for several years now. As you say, it is all relative. There have been many stretches when this region on average would get only 1 Warning criteria event. 01-04 was one of them.  

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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On 2/6/2023 at 4:33 PM, Bryan1117 said:

Two bad winters in a row has been brutal (dry, cold, bad thermals - it's been a mix of crap lately)... it's sad that I really hope we don't get anymore snow this season - right now I am done with Winter. Winter used to be my favorite season however that's not the case anymore with these recent lousy winters... hopefully this Spring can deliver the goods here and make up for this current drought pattern. 

Omaha really has had a tough stretch. I believe you’ll have some great ones very soon. 
 

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2 hours ago, OttumwaSnomow said:

Ottumwa Iowa is the midwest desert.  Compared to avg over the past 11 yrs.  2023?  Driest year EVER!

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Averages are just that, the average. So while you are experiencing what must be like an historically low moisture year/era, somewhere in time people there did (or will) experience the opposite and thus a super moist time way AN in precip. Sucks tho to be there for the low end event. I really hate droughts. On that map posted elsewhere, the D0 really should go further south in WMI. I was there Tuesday and was shocked to see all the ponds and small lakes almost dried up, even after some decent rain events over the past 6 months. 

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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8 hours ago, jaster220 said:

Averages are just that, the average. So while you are experiencing what must be like an historically low moisture year/era, somewhere in time people there did (or will) experience the opposite and thus a super moist time way AN in precip. Sucks tho to be there for the low end event. I really hate droughts. On that map posted elsewhere, the D0 really should go further south in WMI. I was there Tuesday and was shocked to see all the ponds and small lakes almost dried up, even after some decent rain events over the past 6 months. 

Ive lived in SE Iowa for 17 years. In 2010 55" to 77" fell all across  this area.  In fact 2007 to 2011 were all above "average" precip..  But the nearly continuous  deficits especially  in the summer months since  2012 are nuts!!!  And no matter what part of Iowa or Mo gets  into D3 or worse drought the Ottumwa  Iowa area is almost always 75% of the time dead in the severe drought!!!! Bottom  line I dont agree with  many. The wild swings in precip here is extreme.. among  the worst i can find in any part of usa  not in paths of tropical  systems.   Ive lived in Pennsylvania  and Maryland  for 4 decades not many places  compare to here!!!!

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Terry Swails posted this a couple days ago.  Ottumwa is more than 2 feet below average since April 2022.

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season snowfall: 34.8"

'22-23: 30.2"      '21-22: 27.1"      '20-21: 52.5"      '19-20: 36.2"      '18-19: 50.2"      '17-18: 39.5"

Average snowfall: ~30"

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12 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

Terry Swails posted this a couple days ago.  Ottumwa is more than 2 feet below average since April 2022.

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The last few years had lots of long boring stretches of dry weather here, including this month! But I've seen many wet years too and had wondered when things would average out a bit more, and for that we'd need multiple dryer years. 

 

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On 11/25/2023 at 11:40 AM, Hawkeye said:

Terry Swails posted this a couple days ago.  Ottumwa is more than 2 feet below average since April 2022.

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@Hawkeye thank you for this information.   Thanks to all you folks here that know I am not crazy.  I love Iowa for many reasons, but WEATHER is not one of those reasons!  Its boring, dull, brutal,  lackluster. When I moved to SE Iowa in 2007 to 2010  I would report  to my east coast family farmers and weather friends that it takes nothing  to make lift in the atmosphere and  any twist,  spin, front etc etc brings rain in the warm  seasons.. sadly I was grossly  incorrect.  Since summer  2012 I have  seen 1000 fronts pass thru here dry and many cloudless! Ive had deep low pressure  overhead  in cold months just to see fog or a little  drizzle.  Ive seen creeks and ponds dry up.  Ive seen deer die by the 1000s from drought driven EHD.  It amazes me that in peak heating  hours during  summer a cold front  can pass this place  without  out barely  a cloud let alone a bubbling thunderhead. TRUST ME WHEN I TELL YOU, cold fronts passing at 5 pm will almost always bring a line of thunderstorms  to many areas east of here. Gets started in Illinois in fact. I wish i knew what these factors are? I believe  they have ALWAYS  existed.   The Ottumwa  Kirksville  Fairfield  and other spots nearby here have the  wildest  swings in precip yearly or seasonally  than any place i could find in midwest. But why?  The  geography and topography  are the same.   Theres something  about the hills along and especially  south of  desmoines  river. Look at desmoines- airport  tends drier than norther subburbs many summers.  Madrid and ames rarely  as dry as Ottumwa.  They get dry but the frequency  of these wild deviatins from average?  Rant over.. for now.

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5 hours ago, OttumwaSnomow said:

@Hawkeye thank you for this information.   Thanks to all you folks here that know I am not crazy.  I love Iowa for many reasons, but WEATHER is not one of those reasons!  Its boring, dull, brutal,  lackluster. When I moved to SE Iowa in 2007 to 2010  I would report  to my east coast family farmers and weather friends that it takes nothing  to make lift in the atmosphere and  any twist,  spin, front etc etc brings rain in the warm  seasons.. sadly I was grossly  incorrect.  Since summer  2012 I have  seen 1000 fronts pass thru here dry and many cloudless! Ive had deep low pressure  overhead  in cold months just to see fog or a little  drizzle.  Ive seen creeks and ponds dry up.  Ive seen deer die by the 1000s from drought driven EHD.  It amazes me that in peak heating  hours during  summer a cold front  can pass this place  without  out barely  a cloud let alone a bubbling thunderhead. TRUST ME WHEN I TELL YOU, cold fronts passing at 5 pm will almost always bring a line of thunderstorms  to many areas east of here. Gets started in Illinois in fact. I wish i knew what these factors are? I believe  they have ALWAYS  existed.   The Ottumwa  Kirksville  Fairfield  and other spots nearby here have the  wildest  swings in precip yearly or seasonally  than any place i could find in midwest. But why?  The  geography and topography  are the same.   Theres something  about the hills along and especially  south of  desmoines  river. Look at desmoines- airport  tends drier than norther subburbs many summers.  Madrid and ames rarely  as dry as Ottumwa.  They get dry but the frequency  of these wild deviatins from average?  Rant over.. for now.

Regarding the dry fronts, I think it has a lot to do with the warm air aloft that moves in from the plains.  We become capped during the day and have to wait til night when the atmosphere cools a bit and the low level jet gets going.

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season snowfall: 34.8"

'22-23: 30.2"      '21-22: 27.1"      '20-21: 52.5"      '19-20: 36.2"      '18-19: 50.2"      '17-18: 39.5"

Average snowfall: ~30"

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On 2/7/2018 at 10:24 PM, Minny_Weather said:

We had fairly good Winters when Scott Frost was here as a player. Maybe he'll bring the same stuff as a coach.

I mean... Lincoln did have a good stretch of winters when Frost was coach lmao

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On 12/10/2023 at 6:00 AM, Naptownwx said:

What the hell has happened to winter in December??? This is getting beyond ridiculous 

Winter fail… now it is looking like three years in a row here in Eastern Nebraska that Winter will provide very little snow or even ice/ rainfall. It’s no longer my favorite season of the year… bring on Spring already.

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23 minutes ago, Bryan1117 said:

Winter fail… now it is looking like three years in a row here in Eastern Nebraska that Winter will provide very little snow or even ice/ rainfall. It’s no longer my favorite season of the year… bring on Spring already.

Was Dec 2021 dry there? It never stopped raining when I first moved to Kentucky. 🤪

But yeah it doesn't really snow until January since I've been around.

Ashland, KY Weather

'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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Guess I'll just put this here.

It was quite the year for tornadoes in the NWS Chicago cwa.  58 tornadoes, which smashed the old record.  Surprisingly, that number was accomplished without any tornadoes in what tends to be the most active month of the year -- June.  July more than made up for that though.  Didn't really have a higher end tornado and you have to keep in mind that it's easier to confirm tornadoes nowadays, but it was a very active year any way you slice it.  

 

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On 12/31/2023 at 4:51 PM, Hoosier said:

Guess I'll just put this here.

It was quite the year for tornadoes in the NWS Chicago cwa.  58 tornadoes, which smashed the old record.  Surprisingly, that number was accomplished without any tornadoes in what tends to be the most active month of the year -- June.  July more than made up for that though.  Didn't really have a higher end tornado and you have to keep in mind that it's easier to confirm tornadoes nowadays, but it was a very active year any way you slice it.  

 

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DVN CWA also had one of it's most tornadic years behind 2008 mostly because of the Mar. 31st outbreak in eastern Iowa, etc. 

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On 12/11/2023 at 11:17 AM, Timmy Supercell said:

Was Dec 2021 dry there? It never stopped raining when I first moved to Kentucky. 🤪

But yeah it doesn't really snow until January since I've been around.

Referring to the last sentence....That's always pretty much considered normal most years for most of KY.  At least that's how I would expect it to be. 

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2 hours ago, Stormy said:

Referring to the last sentence....That's always pretty much considered normal most years for most of KY.  At least that's how I would expect it to be. 

February has been another odd month, there may be an inch or two but so far January and March are the only two months that have produced real snowstorms since moving here.

Now that we're in El Nino I feel like the window for winter is even shorter in places. February may just do the same thing again and act like an in between month with mild days thrown in.

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Ashland, KY Weather

'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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For those peeps that watch guidance show they are in the sweet spot for days only to see the cheerleader dump you for the jock QB for prom - you get the red haired freckled 9th grader (sleet storm and wind)  :O)

  We've all been there. i hope this song helps-- It has me in the past.

Lyrics for those that don't  wanna listen to this classic -

Looks like It's over, you knew I couldn't stay
She's comin' home today
We had a good thing, I'll miss your sweet love
Why must you look at me that way?
It's over
Sad eyes, turn the other way
I don't want to see you cry
Sad eyes, you knew there'd come a day
When we would have to say "goodbye"
Try to remember the magic that we shared
In time your broken heart will mend
I never used you, you knew I really cared
I hate to see it have to end
But it's over

 

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59*.  Rain. 
Low of 49*.  
Rain through the night till dawn.  

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