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1 hour ago, someweatherdude said:

You know what the five happiest countries in the world are?  Finland, Denmark, Switzerland, Iceland and Norway.  Other than maybe Switzerland, they are all socialist by your measure.  The US is 19th.  I think a little more equality would serve our country well.  And the millionaires will come out just fine too.

Also ... 

Although the US is No. 1 for its access to higher education, it's No. 91 for access to basic education--similar to Mongolia. 

The US is No. 97 in the world for access to healthcare -- similar to Chile, Jordan and Albania.    

We're number 33 out of 36 OECD nations in infant mortality (third from worst)

We also have one of the highest maternal mortalities of developed nations.  

You can laugh about inequality.  But we here in the US basically live in a third world country because people like you put so called ideals ahead of people.  You put philosophy ahead of lives.  I could go on for days about how conservative "ideals" work for the privileged and abandon almost everyone else.  I used to be a conservative Republican. I listened to Rush.  I watched Fox.  I called CNN the Communist News Network.  I remember what it was like to make excuses, and to explain that conservatism really does care about people, but just wants to help them in a different way.  It was BS. I finally woke up and recognized it.  Most conservatives I know have lived sheltered lives in either rural or suburban areas.  They've never been exposed to people from different backgrounds and different ideologies.  That's how I was.  Thank God I got out of my bubble and found out that the world and life isn't as black and white as you and your ilk make it out to be.  Now run on down to Dallas and find JFK, Jr.  I'm sure he's waiting for you. 

Hmm, I think JFK was truly liberal in the original sense and not leftist like the progressives are today.

As for those happiest countries, here's what the Danish Prime Minister said: "I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."

The Nordic countries also have private insurance options, which may be more costly, but are better quality. Bernie also thought Cuba was great, more so than the Nordic model countries. He also wanted universal single-payer healthcare as the ONLY option. In other countries that do that, they have these fun little things to deal with

  • Massive waiting lists and dangerous delays for medical appointments
  • Life-threatening delays for treatment, even for patients requiring urgent cancer treatment or critical brain surgery
  • Delayed availability of life-saving drugs
  • Worse availability of screening tests
  • Significantly worse outcomes from serious diseases

See article here on CNN

Also California has one of the biggest disparities in wealth, despite being one of the bluest states in the US.

 

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38 minutes ago, GDR said:

So just like when good ole Trump had all 3 branches but decided to turn it into a mess. Now it’s up to sleepy Joe to fix it!

Record low unemployment, small businesses booming, no staffing problems, secure borders, no wars, beautiful stock market, low fuel costs, low grocery costs, no supply chain issue, no horrific withdrawal from a country, no censoring of social media accounts and free speech, law and order(didn't have cops leaving the field in record #'s) tax cuts for working class(my employees were taxed less and took home more pay, I have proof) and just the overall happiness Americans showed in the streets every day. 

IF the above is a mess, I would love to be in that mess again!! Oh please can we see that mess again. 

You guys are too funny! I've never seen so much hate for one man... 

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Just a quick question for the mask folks out there....

For 2 months now, there have been packed college stadiums, MLB parks, NFL stadiums, and concert venues, no mask wearing! But....cases are down across the country by 50% from early Sept. Now prior to that, cases were up 350% from one year ago when nobody was vaccinated. So, say last August 31st, 2020, nobody was vaccinated, one year later, 175 million people were vaccinated but cases were up 350%. A lot of things don't add up. 

How is that possible?? 

Have we flatten the curve with the vaccine? Have we achieved herd immunity? 

My body my choice, the Democrat saying. Is that no longer valid?

"Biden's Federal Vaccine Mandate Has Finally Been Issued: and it will deploy a national policing force t0 ensure compliance"

Just announced today.....this is not going to go over well with the american people. LAW SUIT CITY

Another question, if you're vaccinated, you should be protected, right?? Why do you care if I'm vaccinated??

I'm not against it, if you want it, take it. But, to force people to take it or else....not a good path to go down. 

 

KC's Mayor just dropped our mask mandate today. I never wore one anyway...but, is that a good sign that things are over. I sure hope so. 

 

 

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Okay, this is ridiculous. If you guys want to continue this, continue it on our Discord server https://discord.gg/GdQWhwH5. I even made a political slapfights channel for you all to mentally masturbate in. This thread serves a legitimate weather-related purpose and I'd really love for it to not get locked down.

This is not a politics thread. Be adults and don't repeatedly force it to be one.

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Texas has seen it all weather wise on Thanksgiving. I can manage anything from hot to cold. All I ask is it not rain.
That’s a transportation nightmare here.  
Rain in the wee hrs tonight which will end by mid morning in No Tx.  
 

Happy Thanksgiving Guys!

Stay Safe.  

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Before You Diagnose Yourself With Depression or Low Self-Esteem,...First Make Sure You Are Not In Fact, Just Surrounded By A$$holes.

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2018 Rainfall - 62.65" High Temp. - 110.03* Low Temp. - 8.4*

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18 minutes ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Looks wonderful..why are they closed tho??

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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5 hours ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Seasonal lag. In California it's even more lagged.

The seasonal lag in the Plains used to not be this pronounced. We don't have any bodies of water nearby to modify the temperature.

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On 12/13/2021 at 5:24 PM, FAR_Weather said:

The seasonal lag in the Plains used to not be this pronounced. We don't have any bodies of water nearby to modify the temperature.

What we do have (drum roll pls) is both 88-89 and 11-12 in the possible analog seasons list. Nuff said..

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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11 hours ago, jaster220 said:

What we do have (drum roll pls) is both 88-89 and 11-12 in the possible analog seasons list. Nuff said..

Or 3 of the past 4 winters (excluding 2018-19) with extraordinarily slow starts.

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11 hours ago, FAR_Weather said:

Or 3 of the past 4 winters (excluding 2018-19) with extraordinarily slow starts.

8 of the last 11 Dec's have been dumpster fires around SMI. Includes 2021 presuming it's staying the snowless course.

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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Back in the 60s, 70s and early 80s we saw this storm track in many if not most winters. Stronger storms would get organized in New Mexico or the Texas panhandle and strong low pressure would track through OKC, SGF, STL and on towards Chicago.

Heavy snow would break out in western and southern Kansas and give TOP/KC our 6-12+" snowstorms. From the mid 80s on this track and the associated heavy snowfalls became rarer and rarer and have pretty much become non-existent in the 21st century. Something has changed.

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23-24 seasonal snow total: 17.8" (as of 3/9/24)

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16 minutes ago, mlgamer said:

Back in the 60s, 70s and early 80s we saw this storm track in many if not most winters. Stronger storms would get organized in New Mexico or the Texas panhandle and strong low pressure would track through OKC, SGF, STL and on towards Chicago.

Heavy snow would break out in western and southern Kansas and give TOP/KC our 6-12+" snowstorms. From the mid 80s on this track and the associated heavy snowfalls became rarer and rarer and have pretty much become non-existence in the 21st century. Something has changed.

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The four corners storm use to be a thing.  We’d get em all the time here.  Sometimes they’d cut and gives us slop, but they happened.  Nothing but weak dry clippers now. Nothing for northern energy to phase with.  Arctic has changed.  Oceans  have changed.   Here in WMI we hardly get lake effect snow anymore.   One or two events a year it seems.  

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42 minutes ago, Stacsh said:

The four corners storm use to be a thing.  We’d get em all the time here.  Sometimes they’d cut and gives us slop, but they happened.  Nothing but weak dry clippers now. Nothing for northern energy to phase with.  Arctic has changed.  Oceans  have changed.   Here in WMI we hardly get lake effect snow anymore.   One or two events a year it seems.  

Yep, sounds familiar. Even down here we could often enjoy lots of good sledding, ice skating and other winter activities that seem fairly rare now.

23-24 seasonal snow total: 17.8" (as of 3/9/24)

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On 1/19/2022 at 6:40 PM, mlgamer said:

Back in the 60s, 70s and early 80s we saw this storm track in many if not most winters. Stronger storms would get organized in New Mexico or the Texas panhandle and strong low pressure would track through OKC, SGF, STL and on towards Chicago.

Heavy snow would break out in western and southern Kansas and give TOP/KC our 6-12+" snowstorms. From the mid 80s on this track and the associated heavy snowfalls became rarer and rarer and have pretty much become non-existent in the 21st century. Something has changed.

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And as for the GLs, the weather in general was much more active and dynamic in all seasons. TOR's were common for instance until '85. While the warmer climate may be making the switch to our current pattern even worse, I've often cited the AMO and it's cycling as a contributor to the contrasts between that era and nowadays.

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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1 hour ago, Up_north_MI said:

This has to be one of the driest winters I can remember in northern lower Michigan. If something doesn’t change the green up/fire season this spring could be ugly. 

I have several friends in se mich.  They kept telling me about non stop rains all  spring and summer 2021 into the fall.   Roofs leaking all over, mold issues, wet basements. Its about  time  it dry uo there. Since Aug 1st we have had nearly non stop drier than normal weather with the exception  of final week of October. Currently  we have  basically  no precip  since Jan 15th at 6am

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1 hour ago, Up_north_MI said:

This has to be one of the driest winters I can remember in northern lower Michigan. If something doesn’t change the green up/fire season this spring could be ugly. 

It's been blah down here outside of 1 snow event.  Cold, dry no lake effect, no storms.  Dry fronts and clippers that stayed north in Canada.  Looks like a couple shots this week and weekend for accumulating snow.  Hopefully the pattern changes by mid-February.  Wasted cold all winter so far.    

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Let's put the LRC to test. 

Based off a 61-66 day cycle, we can expect the storm parade to start around Feb. 15th to 20th. and continue through March 10th-15th.  Now, snow or rain here in KC? All depends on the teleconnections. The 0Z and 06Z GFS reloaded the pattern with cold right around the storm parade. WE SHALL SEE! 

Anyhow, cycle one was very wet here in KC and we took direct hits from each storm through the first 30 days of the new LRC. 

First hit was October6th, where KCI recorded .15 inches of rain but at my house east of the reporting station I received .57 inches of rain. 

Oct 10th through the 11th, big storm in the Plains, 2-3 inches here in KC.

Oct. 12th 13th, Large ULL tracks NW of KC, snowstorm in the western Dakotas, KC was dry on this storm. 

Oct. 14th-15th, cold front with thunderstorms, .50-1inch in KC.

Oct. 22nd 24th, Big 3 day storm system, heavy rain in the Plains. Severe weather broke out in the Plains on the 24th with tornadoes in MO.....SE of KC. 

Oct. 27th-30th, large storm system in the Plains, 2-3 inches here in KC. 

Nov. 1st, small disturbance in NW flow hit KC and the first snowflake of the season fell that day. The disturbance actually maxed out here and we received much more than forecasted as far as total moisture goes. 

Nov. 9th-10th, another 1-2 inches of rain fell here in KC.

The above was the first 30-35 days of cycle one. This part of the pattern is due to to cycle around Feb. 15th-20th 

So, the first storm per the LRC should cycle around Feb. 15th to 20th, following that, should see plenty of action all the way up to march 10th-15th. Should we see the pattern block up, we could possibly see one hell of a stretch of winter storms post Feb.15th. 

Let's see how it all plays out.

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Madtown said:

Why the heck? Why are there Atlantic Hurrican discussions in the Great Lakes? Did I miss something, seems pretty stupid not that my opinion matters😀 Fixing what ain't broke

He merged the Atlantic and Midwest subforums cuz the Atlantic one has zero activity. I have no issue with it, just gives us a bigger userbase.

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22 hours ago, MSP_Weather said:

He merged the Atlantic and Midwest subforums cuz the Atlantic one has zero activity. I have no issue with it, just gives us a bigger userbase.

I support the merge. When I came to Kentucky I was not sure which sub-forum I belonged in. I'm relatively close to @Phil now and he sometimes posts in the Atlantic forum. But people just a state over to my west are posting in the other one. 

This makes more sense. 

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'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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1 hour ago, gimmesnow said:

How far below average? But I know this whole pattern was about skipping NE and Southern Wisconsin this year, we all are way below average.

OAX is actually at 10.2". Their YTD average is 24.5".

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Don't usually complain (much, LOL) but after 68F last week, this is just BS:

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I know I won't get any sympathy from Plains Peeps since these kind of hard flips are "normal" out there BUT!!!!!!!!!!!

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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