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5 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Given that this summer has been a 1955 repeat... we should be all set!  

SW needs the precip way more than the PNW.   

There's no reason why we have to be in a drought in order for the SW to see sufficient precip. Plenty of winters where both regions have been in a good place. 

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Just now, BLI snowman said:

There's no reason why we have to be in a drought in order for the SW to see sufficient precip. Plenty of winters where both regions have been in a good place. 

Generally speaking... very wet winters in CA (particularly SoCal) are usually not very wet up here as well.   But that doesn't mean drought conditions in the PNW.

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20 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

Yes, that was one of the driest winters on record and a terrible snowpack year with drought problems that spring. It was somewhat similar to 2004-05 with a lot of rex blocks along the West Coast with splitting storms. SoCal had a very wet winter. Acted more like an El Nino. 

2000-01 was a nightmare. It was the first time I ever remember Detroit Lake not filling in the spring. Just hammered them economically in a way they never really recovered from, and was unfortunately was repeated a couple of times in the past decade. Then of course 80% of the town burned in September 2020.

Went through there last Saturday. The lake was filled to the brim, there were a lot of boats out on it, the campgrounds were full, construction of new replacement homes is ongoing. It was really nice to see, there was actually an optimism in the air I haven't felt in years, like they have a real chance at a fresh start. The fire also stopped at the north shore of the lake for the most part too, so the entire southern shore is still intact, and even at Detroit a higher percentage of trees than houses survived. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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8 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

There's no reason why we have to be in a drought in order for the SW to see sufficient precip. Plenty of winters where both regions have been in a good place. 

This is a good point that is often ignored or forgotten. 2005-06 was pretty wet in CA IIRC, also 2016-17 was very wet in Northern California. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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3 minutes ago, ChrisAmunRA said:

Cloudy South of Seattle 

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Severe clear down here in the Salem area. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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10 minutes ago, ChrisAmunRA said:

For those talking about 1955-1956 Winter 

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That was a COMPLETE winter. Active throughout with cold airmasses every month. No 4-6 weeks straight of west coast warm finger action in between a couple of backdoor cold snaps like we have become accustomed to. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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12Z GFS shows an interesting scenario for Labor Day weekend... temps in the 50s east of the Cascades with 80s on this side.    Guessing this would be the result of offshore flow.

 

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4 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

That was a COMPLETE winter. Active throughout with cold airmasses every month. No 4-6 weeks straight of west coast warm finger action in between a couple of backdoor cold snaps like we have become accustomed to. 

Every month was a pack builder. In recent years there's always a winter that has at least one dud month. 

I guess 16-17 was pretty consistent, but November wasn't really part of winter.

Ashland, KY Weather

'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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10 minutes ago, Timmy Supercell said:

Every month was a pack builder. In recent years there's always a winter that has at least one dud month. 

I guess 16-17 was pretty consistent, but November wasn't really part of winter.

November was pretty mild, as was the whole autumn that year, but fairly wet up here. October 2016 was the wettest on record at our location. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
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2 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

November was pretty mild, as was the whole autumn that year, but fairly wet up here. October 2016 was the wettest on record at our location. 

That was wet too at KLMT. Back when more of the Falls and Winters had atmospheric rivers dousing NorCal with hours of heavy rain. Even 14-15 gave northern CA a lot of rainfall, even if that winter sucked for snow.

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'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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21 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

12Z GFS shows an interesting scenario for Labor Day weekend... temps in the 50s east of the Cascades with 80s on this side.    Guessing this would be the result of offshore flow.

 

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Another Santa Ana winds type episode with the air being super-dry like it was two years ago, with fires exploding?

It's called clown range for a reason.

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1 minute ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Another Santa Ana winds type episode with the air being super-dry like it was two years ago, with fires exploding?

In this case... its just weak offshore flow around a weak ULL to the east so it would not be explosive.  

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4 minutes ago, HoodCanalBridge said:

Crisp morning down in fire camp this morning at Diamond Lake, Oregon.

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When I flew over Diamond Lake a few weeks ago it looked like 80% of the forest around it has burned in the past couple of years. 

 

4 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Another Santa Ana winds type episode with the air being super-dry like it was two years ago, with fires exploding?

I'm not going to get to worried about hour 300 of the GFS at this point. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
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1 hour ago, TT-SEA said:

The winter of 2000-01 featured lots of breaks in the rain here... there was actually no real long stretches of persistent rain all the way through spring that year.  Unlike last year when it rained almost every day from October - December.  There was a 2-week stretch through the middle of November 2000 with no measurable precip which is extremely rare in my area.    After that it was pretty evenly split between rainy days and dry days through April... also somewhat unusual.   

I'd happily take a 2000-01 winter here again. That season holds the highest Dec-Feb average snow depth on record with nearly 16". Very consistent cold and snowfall throughout that winter.

November 2000 was no slouch either with a -11F departure and 24" of snowfall.

Cold Season 2023/24:

Total snowfall: 26"

Highest daily snowfall: 5"

Deepest snow depth: 12"

Coldest daily high: -20ºF

Coldest daily low: -42ºF

Number of subzero days: 5

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1 hour ago, TT-SEA said:

Generally speaking... very wet winters in CA (particularly SoCal) are usually not very wet up here as well.   But that doesn't mean drought conditions in the PNW.

That really just depends. CA's biggest rainmakers can come from several different scenarios. 

Most often it's either from enhanced subtropical jet activity in stronger El Ninos (1982-83 and 1997-98 being prime examples) or from consistent northern stream jet suppression leading to intense baroclinic zone activity (2016-17, 1996-97, 1992-93, and 1968-69 being examples). Many of those seasons, even the warmer ones, were sufficiently wet for our region and some of them extremely so.

Occasionally you'll also see steroidal rex block driven split flow bring high precip totals to CA (2000-01) which when coupled with El Nino driven STJ action can bring really high end results for them (2004-05 and 1940-41 being examples). Those cases are the bad ones for our region where we end up in severe drought. Which given our perma-heat summers now are a bad option for us. I don't know that we can easily afford a winter like 2000-01 nowadays since getting another summer as cool as 2001 increasingly seems like a pipe dream (and even that coolish summer had some bad fire activity).

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10 hours ago, snow_wizard said:

Jan 1930 was way more impressive in NW OR than in the Puget Sound area.  Up here there wasn't that much snow to aid in creating the insane min temps that were experienced down your way.  It was still very cold here, but only a little bit of snow.  The winter before was amazing up here though.

Yeah here it was colder than 1937, 1949 and 1950. And a 16" snowstorm followed by a 6" storm without warming up!

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30 minutes ago, Kayla said:

I'd happily take a 2000-01 winter here again. That season holds the highest Dec-Feb average snow depth on record with nearly 16". Very consistent cold and snowfall throughout that winter.

November 2000 was no slouch either with a -11F departure and 24" of snowfall.

November 2000 was regionally chilly if I remember correctly. Was a long time ago now. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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2 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

Yeah here it was colder than 1937, 1949 and 1950. And a 16" snowstorm followed by a 6" storm without warming up!

January 1930 is the coldest month on record at SLE. It is also the coldest month on record in some parts of NE Oklahoma where I used to live. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
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2 hours ago, Eujunga said:

EUG's official high temperature yesterday came in at only 89º.

Gonna have to redact #24 and save it for next time (probably today).

It’s wrong. And Springfield got to 90F.

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Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024)
  • Total snowfall: 0.0"
  • Total ice: 2.25”
  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9")
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F)
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0"
  • Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4

 

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1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

November 2000 was regionally chilly if I remember correctly. Was a long time ago now. 

That winter was pretty good for virtually everyone outside of this region. November-December was the coldest on record nationally and the inversions at least kept parts of the interior NW in solid snowcover for much of the winter. The SW made out well too, especially in February.

The Puget Sound region at least did okay in mid February with an overnight snowstorm on the 16th. I was actually in Port Angeles that weekend and there was a pretty healthy 7-8" that hung around for a bit. Melted a lot faster in Seattle, though.

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16 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

That winter was pretty good for virtually everyone outside of this region. November-December was the coldest on record nationally and the inversions at least kept parts of the interior NW in solid snowcover for much of the winter. The SW made out well too, especially in February.

The Puget Sound region at least did okay in mid February with an overnight snowstorm on the 16th. I was actually in Port Angeles that weekend and there was a pretty healthy 7-8" that hung around for a bit. Melted a lot faster in Seattle, though.

Pretty much everyone west of I-5 in the Salem area had a nice snow event on 12/11/00. We got about 30 minutes of non-sticking snow out in Silverton unfortunately. I believe that was the day A-Rod signed with the Texas Rangers too, I remember calling my Dad from the landline in the school office to talk to him about that. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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20 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

The 5 minute obs often have rounding issues because they're initially reported in celsius, and thus won't reflect the accurate daily highs and lows (which are not in celsius).

Seems like we have been discussing this for the last 2 months.    Chris jumped all over me for even suggesting that the inter-hour readings could not be trusted.   😀

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13 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Pretty much everyone west of I-5 in the Salem area had a nice snow event on 12/11/00. We got about 30 minutes of non-sticking snow out in Silverton unfortunately. I believe that was the day A-Rod signed with the Texas Rangers too, I remember calling my Dad from the landline in the school office to talk to him about that. 

Forest Grove has some missing data on 12/11/00 but they had a high of 34 and 0.42" of precip, and they recorded a depth of 1". Was it somewhat similar to 1/26/21?

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7 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

Forest Grove has some missing data on 12/11/00 but they had a high of 34 and 0.42" of precip, and they recorded a depth of 1". Was it somewhat similar to 1/26/21?

Yes, though I would say amounts were a little higher generally. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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47 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

It’s wrong. And Springfield got to 90F.

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That’s a rounding issue since readings are converted from celsius. The actual high was 89°F.

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47 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Out of curiosity, how many 90+ days did you have last year?

Springfield had 49.

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Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024)
  • Total snowfall: 0.0"
  • Total ice: 2.25”
  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9")
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F)
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0"
  • Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4

 

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