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53F out there. Nice night!

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Springfield, Oregon cold season 21-22 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 35F (Dec 27, 2021)
  • Coldest low: 17F (Feb 23, 2022)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 36 (Most recent: Apr 17, 2022)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 5 (Most recent: Jan 17, 2022)
  • Total snowfall: 10.0"
  • Last accumulating snowfall: December 28, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 14, 2017 (31F) *Longest streak without a sub-freezing high on record*
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall: December 28, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 14, 2017 (31)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 30.7"

 

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6 hours ago, Jakewestsalem said:

Little drizzle(enough to wet the ground) in Ravenna area this morning. Moving my graduated daughter(from UW)out of her apartment today. Was a nice prelude to Autumn.

BTW, 520 bridge closure, plus I 5 lane restrictions, led to almost 2 hours from 45th st to Boeing Field this afternoon!

5.5 hour trip home today after 3.5 hours up yesterday afternoon!

God I'm so glad I don't have to deal with traffic in that area anymore. My longest possible drive in Sioux Falls is 20 mins, and that's if you are going from one side of town to the other during rush hour. That's considered a long drive for us now.

It really helps with stress levels to not have to sit in traffic multiple hours a week. Hell, even multiple hours a day like you did. Can't stand that.

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5 hours ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

I was watching college football and hanging out with Andrew today. Forgive me for not being enthused about yet another stretch of 90F-burgers.

 

5 hours ago, TacomaWx said:

You and Andrew both seem pretty chill…Jesse too. If I lived down in Oregon I’d be down to meet you guys. 

I hiked the Trail of Ten Falls with Andrew yesterday. He’s a great guy in person.

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7 hours ago, snow_wizard said:

The GFS gets stuck in a pretty ugly mode on this run.  The models are really struggling right now.

Maybe the models aren't struggling and its just going to be generally warm.     The long range stuff always changes wildly on the GFS... but the ensembles have not been showing any significant cold air over the next 2 weeks.  

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7 hours ago, snow_wizard said:

I haven't seen any evidence of warming at the surface yet compared to what temps have been the last several years.  There are undoubtedly some sulfuric aerosols up there too which might mitigate any warming effects.

Actually, not really. This has already been hashed to death. Hunga Tonga was a very unusual volcanic eruption. Lots of water vapor, virtually no sulphur. Most models indicate it should cause warming, not cooling, at the surface. Though since it is such an unusual eruption, we are essentially in uncharted territory here.

It's called clown range for a reason.

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Maybe the models aren't struggling and its just going to be generally warm.     The long range stuff always changes wildly on the GFS... but the ensembles have not been showing any significant cold air over the next 2 weeks.  

But I really wanna see cooling! You just gotta BELIEVE!

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It's called clown range for a reason.

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1 minute ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

But I really wanna see cooling! You just gotta BELIEVE!

It probably won't be wall to wall hot either.    The ECMWF showed cooler days on Friday and then on Labor Day with highs barely into the mid 70s in Seattle with weak systems passing through to the north.  

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2 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

It probably won't be wall to wall hot either.    The ECMWF showed cooler days on Friday and then on Labor Day with highs barely into the mid 70s in Seattle with weak systems passing through to the north.  

Oh, sure. No disagreement there. It’s just a recurring issue with Jim; he has difficulty separating what he wants to happen from what all evidence indicates is most likely to happen.

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7 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Actually, not really. This has already been hashed to death. Hunga Tonga was a very unusual volcanic eruption. Lots of water vapor, virtually no sulphur. Most models indicate it should cause warming, not cooling, at the surface. Though since it is such an unusual eruption, we are essentially in uncharted territory here.

I was going to mention the same thing.    Its almost entirely water vapor.    We don't know yet how that will effect surface temps... but there is almost no SO2 involved to offset anything.

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With a high of 70 at SEA yesterday... it is likely that August will finish with no high temp below 70.    I believe that is pretty rare.   Even in the last 10 years of warmer than normal summers it has only happened once (in 2017).

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5 hours ago, The Blob said:

If September is warm, it'll be great for our vegetable gardens.

Yea.  We were so late getting our garden in this year that the tomatoes are just starting to ripen. 
 

On the other hand We just went to drought level 3 here and there have been some fish strandings in rivers on Vancouver Island as the water levels drop.  

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Got down to 52 this morning. That’s the coldest we’ve been since the 4th of July. Pretty crazy theres been a total lack of average/below average lows this summer. 

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22-23 cold season stats

Coldest max-65

Coldest min-48

Monthly rainfall-0.04”

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Looks like we dropped to around 50 according to nearby stations.

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Location: Bethany, OR at about 250'

Snowfall:

     2021/2022: 6"

     2020/2021: 4.5"

     2019/2020: 1"

     2018/2019: 3.7"

     2017/2018: 5.5"

     2016/2017: 18"

     2015/2016: 1"

     2014/2015: 0"

     2013/2014: 9"

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3 hours ago, Omegaraptor said:

 

I hiked the Trail of Ten Falls with Andrew yesterday. He’s a great guy in person.

Good times. Thanks for coming down, I enjoyed hiking it with you!

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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Wow... Looks like Summer 2022 is going to end up as the 3rd hottest summer on record in Portland!

 

 

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Location: Bethany, OR at about 250'

Snowfall:

     2021/2022: 6"

     2020/2021: 4.5"

     2019/2020: 1"

     2018/2019: 3.7"

     2017/2018: 5.5"

     2016/2017: 18"

     2015/2016: 1"

     2014/2015: 0"

     2013/2014: 9"

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1 minute ago, Doiinko said:

Wow... Looks like Summer 2022 is going to end up as the 3rd hottest summer on record in Portland!

 

 

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It’s crazy how the top 7 have all happened in the last 13 years…and quite a few of those just in the last 5. 

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22-23 cold season stats

Coldest max-65

Coldest min-48

Monthly rainfall-0.04”

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1 minute ago, Doiinko said:

Wow... Looks like Summer 2022 is going to end up as the 3rd hottest summer on record in Portland!

 

 

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However by max temp it'll end up as #5 after 2015, 2021, 2018, and 1967.

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Location: Bethany, OR at about 250'

Snowfall:

     2021/2022: 6"

     2020/2021: 4.5"

     2019/2020: 1"

     2018/2019: 3.7"

     2017/2018: 5.5"

     2016/2017: 18"

     2015/2016: 1"

     2014/2015: 0"

     2013/2014: 9"

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Just now, TacomaWx said:

It’s crazy how the top 7 have all happened in the last 13 years…and quite a few of those just in the last 5. 

This summer should also end up with warmest avg min temp on record. Obviously some of that is UHI but maybe the humidity has been higher during our heat waves keeping min temps up.

Location: Bethany, OR at about 250'

Snowfall:

     2021/2022: 6"

     2020/2021: 4.5"

     2019/2020: 1"

     2018/2019: 3.7"

     2017/2018: 5.5"

     2016/2017: 18"

     2015/2016: 1"

     2014/2015: 0"

     2013/2014: 9"

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Dropped to 51 blissful degrees here this morning!  Even SEA managed to drop to 53.  Feels great!

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Total Hail = 0.0

Coldest Low = 42

Lows 32 or below = 0

Highs 32 or below = 0

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Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

This summer should also end up with warmest avg min temp on record. Obviously some of that is UHI but maybe the humidity has been higher during our heat waves keeping min temps up.

For sure.  The mins have been ridiculous.  High humidity is almost certainly to blame since many of the nights have been clear.  So many times we have tapped into the monsoon moisture from the SW US, but with little in the way of actual cloudiness.

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Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 0.0

Coldest Low = 42

Lows 32 or below = 0

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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12Z GFS shows a spectacular holiday weekend... cautiously optimistic that those AR-type solutions were wrong.    Highs in the low to mid 80s and sun sounds perfect for lake activities.    👍

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Very refreshing morning. Unfortunately it will not last, but within 2-3 weeks it should become the norm! Can't wait. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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11 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

This summer should also end up with warmest avg min temp on record. Obviously some of that is UHI but maybe the humidity has been higher during our heat waves keeping min temps up.

The 64.1 average from 7/25 to 8/25 is a pretty staggering and unprecedented stretch. As you said, UHI is a factor but the monsoonal component, albeit with pretty weak, to the pattern was a substantial factor.

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35 minutes ago, skywatcher said:

I'm utterly enjoying the fall teaser this morning. Hit 51° this morning with a thin layer of dew on the grass. Really nice weather

Please share. I need some of that.

Low level marine overcast here today and we’re still pushing 90°F at noontime. F**king stupid.

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3 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Actually, not really. This has already been hashed to death. Hunga Tonga was a very unusual volcanic eruption. Lots of water vapor, virtually no sulphur. Most models indicate it should cause warming, not cooling, at the surface. Though since it is such an unusual eruption, we are essentially in uncharted territory here.

As I said....no sign of any change from it yet.  People need to be very careful of making presumptions with something that has little precedence in the period of record.

https://psl.noaa.gov/data/correlation/gmsst.data

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Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 0.0

Coldest Low = 42

Lows 32 or below = 0

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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18 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Very refreshing morning. Unfortunately it will not last, but within 2-3 weeks it should become the norm! Can't wait. 

Yup.  One thing we know is the general pattern we have been in will end.

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Winter 2022-23 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 0.0

Coldest Low = 42

Lows 32 or below = 0

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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3 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

Yup.  One thing we know is the general pattern we have been in will end.

It can stay generally ridgy well into the fall... particularly in Nina years.    

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41 minutes ago, TacomaWx said:

It’s crazy how the top 7 have all happened in the last 13 years…and quite a few of those just in the last 5. 

The thing is...with this there's a smoking gun (the 4CH being so dominant), with the January curse there really isn't.  We have had plenty of cold Decembers and cold Februarys, but January has been a torch.  Still trying to wrap my head around that one.  Maybe it's just bad luck, but that seems so hard to imagine given how long it's been going on.

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Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 0.0

Coldest Low = 42

Lows 32 or below = 0

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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11 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

As I said....no sign of any change from it yet.  People need to be very careful of making presumptions with something that has little precedence in the period of record.

https://psl.noaa.gov/data/correlation/gmsst.data

The effect on tropospheric temperatures may be negligible/statistically insignificant (given La Niña in particular). Also the fact the excess H2O is confined to the stratosphere makes it a bit more difficult to determine the radiative forcing at the surface/below the altitude of the greybody emission temperature.

What is more certain is the stratosphere will radiatively cool in bulk. The amplitude/spatial structure and chemical effects of said cooling may affect the PV/BDC structure/intensity, thus the annular mode(s), tropical convection, cloud cover, general circulation, and wind speeds, all of which will affect the planetary heat budget.

Anyone making definitive statements now should be ignored.

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8 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

It can stay generally ridgy well into the fall... particularly in Nina years.    

Very true.  I would just love to see the ridge move west and put us in NW flow.  Hopefully it will make that move and not go into a crappy WSW flow pattern when it ends.

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Winter 2022-23 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 0.0

Coldest Low = 42

Lows 32 or below = 0

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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1 minute ago, Phil said:

The effect on tropospheric temperatures may be negligible/statistically insignificant (given La Niña in particular). Also the fact the excess H2O is confined to the stratosphere makes it a bit more difficult to determine the radiative forcing at the surface/below the altitude of the greybody emission temperature.

What is more certain is the stratosphere will radiatively cool in bulk. The latitude and chemical effects of said cooling may affect the PV/BDC structure/integrity, thus the annular mode(s), tropical convection, cloud cover, general circulation, and wind speeds, all of which will affect the planetary heat budget.

Anyone making definitive statements now should be ignored.

I've wondered if the water vapor could actually have a reflective effect on the sun's energy due to being so high in the atmosphere.  The global warming properties of water vapor are based more on water vapor in the troposphere. 

Very possible this will have different effects than what is being assumed.

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Winter 2022-23 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 0.0

Coldest Low = 42

Lows 32 or below = 0

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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3 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Oh, sure. No disagreement there. It’s just a recurring issue with Jim; he has difficulty separating what he wants to happen from what all evidence indicates is most likely to happen.

Just a few runs the EPS was showing a GOA ridge and modest troughing over the NW.  I had that in mind when I talked about the models fluctuating.

I'm getting a little bit tired of people trying to imply I'm some kind of an idiot.

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Winter 2022-23 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 0.0

Coldest Low = 42

Lows 32 or below = 0

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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1 minute ago, snow_wizard said:

I've wondered if the water vapor could actually have a reflective effect on the sun's energy due to being so high in the atmosphere.  The global warming properties of water vapor are based more on water vapor in the troposphere. 

Very possible this will have different effects than what is being assumed.

Water vapor in the stratosphere is a greenhouse gas... its traps warmth and does not reflect sunlight.  

https://research.noaa.gov/article/ArtMID/587/ArticleID/1299/Water-vapor-in-the-upper-atmosphere-amplifies-global-warming-says-new-study

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2 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

Just a few runs the EPS was showing a GOA ridge and modest troughing over the NW.  I had that in mind when I talked about the models fluctuating.

I'm getting a little bit tired of people trying to imply I'm some kind of an idiot.

No one said that... just that we all do lots of wishcasting.     Its part of being a weather geek.   😀

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16 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

I've wondered if the water vapor could actually have a reflective effect on the sun's energy due to being so high in the atmosphere.  The global warming properties of water vapor are based more on water vapor in the troposphere. 

Very possible this will have different effects than what is being assumed.

It wouldn’t be reflective because H2O’s absorption bands are primarily in the infrared spectrum, while incoming solar radiation is primarily in the visible and ultraviolet spectra. Meanwhile O2/O3 already absorb heavily in UV spectrum.

This is true both near the surface - 12km and above 12km to the TOA boundary.

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Kicked off the incoming fall season with my annual fall/winter season prep. Phase 1 is cleaning out the garden shed so I have space for summer deck items to be stored. Also for easy access to my snow shovels! Phase 2 will be putting up a new carport for my truck (cheap one I had for 4yrs got nuked in the big March snow) Phase 3 will be doing a major trim back of my front landscaping that got neglected due to my spring RV pad construction. Phase 4 will be cleaning out the main shop and servicing the generator. Phase 5 will be pulling boat and jetski and getting them put away for the season. Should be all wrapped up with the phases by the first week of October. 

 

It’s coming. 

But not today as the sun just popped out! 

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5 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Water vapor in the stratosphere is a greenhouse gas... its traps warmth and does not reflect sunlight.  

https://research.noaa.gov/article/ArtMID/587/ArticleID/1299/Water-vapor-in-the-upper-atmosphere-amplifies-global-warming-says-new-study

We'll see if it actually happens in this case.  No sign of it yet according to global temp anoms vs the last couple of years.  Regardless of what people say there was more than just water vapor put into the air from that volcano.  Certain a lot of salts went up there as well.  The bottom line is....we don't know in this case.

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Winter 2022-23 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 0.0

Coldest Low = 42

Lows 32 or below = 0

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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1 minute ago, Phil said:

It wouldn’t be reflective because H2O’s absorption bands are primarily in the infrared spectrum. Meanwhile O2/O3 already absorb heavily in UV spectrum.

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Ok...I was just wondering.  This water vapor is so high compared to what is normally seen it seemed like the effects might be different.

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Winter 2022-23 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 0.0

Coldest Low = 42

Lows 32 or below = 0

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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Just now, snow_wizard said:

Ok...I was just wondering.  This water vapor is so high compared to what is normally seen it seemed like the effects might be different.

There is always water vapor in the stratosphere.    And they say it generally contributes to global warming.   We will just have way more than usual for the next 5-10 years.    It will probably take a couple years to judge the effect on the climate system.    Even with SO2... the cooling effects are often delayed by a year.

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6 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Kicked off the incoming fall season with my annual fall/winter season prep. Phase 1 is cleaning out the garden shed so I have space for summer deck items to be stored. Also for easy access to my snow shovels! Phase 2 will be putting up a new carport for my truck (cheap one I had for 4yrs got nuked in the big March snow) Phase 3 will be doing a major trim back of my front landscaping that got neglected due to my spring RV pad construction. Phase 4 will be cleaning out the main shop and servicing the generator. Phase 5 will be pulling boat and jetski and getting them put away for the season. Should be all wrapped up with the phases by the first week of October. 

 

It’s coming. 

But not today as the sun just popped out! 

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Has your wife ever asked you how many shovels does one man really need? I was asked this recently and I quickly went on the attack about a certain snow shovel “accident” a couple years ago….

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Something that hasn't been talked about much.  Sea salt particles in the atmosphere cause global cooling.  I wonder how much of that was spewed into the atmosphere by Hunga Tonga.  Just one possible way this could work out different than we think.

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5 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

Ok...I was just wondering.  This water vapor is so high compared to what is normally seen it seemed like the effects might be different.

A portion of incoming solar radiation is in the infrared spectrum which H2O does absorb, but that is more than countered by absorption in lower frequency IR which is a heavily component of Earth’s ULWR emissions.

The fact its not reflective/doesn’t reduce surface radiative forcing is demonstrated by the net cooling effect it has in the stratosphere. If it were reflective w/ respect to the surface, it would warm the stratosphere similar to how SO2 does.

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