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1 minute ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Another Santa Ana winds type episode with the air being super-dry like it was two years ago, with fires exploding?

In this case... its just weak offshore flow around a weak ULL to the east so it would not be explosive.  

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4 minutes ago, HoodCanalBridge said:

Crisp morning down in fire camp this morning at Diamond Lake, Oregon.

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When I flew over Diamond Lake a few weeks ago it looked like 80% of the forest around it has burned in the past couple of years. 

 

4 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Another Santa Ana winds type episode with the air being super-dry like it was two years ago, with fires exploding?

I'm not going to get to worried about hour 300 of the GFS at this point. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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1 hour ago, TT-SEA said:

The winter of 2000-01 featured lots of breaks in the rain here... there was actually no real long stretches of persistent rain all the way through spring that year.  Unlike last year when it rained almost every day from October - December.  There was a 2-week stretch through the middle of November 2000 with no measurable precip which is extremely rare in my area.    After that it was pretty evenly split between rainy days and dry days through April... also somewhat unusual.   

I'd happily take a 2000-01 winter here again. That season holds the highest Dec-Feb average snow depth on record with nearly 16". Very consistent cold and snowfall throughout that winter.

November 2000 was no slouch either with a -11F departure and 24" of snowfall.

Cold Season 2021/22:

Total snowfall: 119.0"

Highest daily snowfall: 16"

Highest snow depth: 20"

Coldest high: -5ºF

Coldest low: -25ºF

Number of subzero days: 1

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1 hour ago, TT-SEA said:

Generally speaking... very wet winters in CA (particularly SoCal) are usually not very wet up here as well.   But that doesn't mean drought conditions in the PNW.

That really just depends. CA's biggest rainmakers can come from several different scenarios. 

Most often it's either from enhanced subtropical jet activity in stronger El Ninos (1982-83 and 1997-98 being prime examples) or from consistent northern stream jet suppression leading to intense baroclinic zone activity (2016-17, 1996-97, 1992-93, and 1968-69 being examples). Many of those seasons, even the warmer ones, were sufficiently wet for our region and some of them extremely so.

Occasionally you'll also see steroidal rex block driven split flow bring high precip totals to CA (2000-01) which when coupled with El Nino driven STJ action can bring really high end results for them (2004-05 and 1940-41 being examples). Those cases are the bad ones for our region where we end up in severe drought. Which given our perma-heat summers now are a bad option for us. I don't know that we can easily afford a winter like 2000-01 nowadays since getting another summer as cool as 2001 increasingly seems like a pipe dream (and even that coolish summer had some bad fire activity).

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10 hours ago, snow_wizard said:

Jan 1930 was way more impressive in NW OR than in the Puget Sound area.  Up here there wasn't that much snow to aid in creating the insane min temps that were experienced down your way.  It was still very cold here, but only a little bit of snow.  The winter before was amazing up here though.

Yeah here it was colder than 1937, 1949 and 1950. And a 16" snowstorm followed by a 6" storm without warming up!

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Location: Bethany, OR at about 250'

Snowfall:

     2021/2022: 6"

     2020/2021: 4.5"

     2019/2020: 1"

     2018/2019: 3.7"

     2017/2018: 5.5"

     2016/2017: 18"

     2015/2016: 1"

     2014/2015: 0"

     2013/2014: 9"

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30 minutes ago, Kayla said:

I'd happily take a 2000-01 winter here again. That season holds the highest Dec-Feb average snow depth on record with nearly 16". Very consistent cold and snowfall throughout that winter.

November 2000 was no slouch either with a -11F departure and 24" of snowfall.

November 2000 was regionally chilly if I remember correctly. Was a long time ago now. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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2 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

Yeah here it was colder than 1937, 1949 and 1950. And a 16" snowstorm followed by a 6" storm without warming up!

January 1930 is the coldest month on record at SLE. It is also the coldest month on record in some parts of NE Oklahoma where I used to live. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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2 hours ago, Eujunga said:

EUG's official high temperature yesterday came in at only 89º.

Gonna have to redact #24 and save it for next time (probably today).

It’s wrong. And Springfield got to 90F.

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Springfield, Oregon cold season 21-22 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 35F (Dec 27, 2021)
  • Coldest low: 17F (Feb 23, 2022)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 36 (Most recent: Apr 17, 2022)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 5 (Most recent: Jan 17, 2022)
  • Total snowfall: 10.0"
  • Last accumulating snowfall: December 28, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 14, 2017 (31F) *Longest streak without a sub-freezing high on record*
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall: December 28, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 14, 2017 (31)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 30.7"

 

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1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

November 2000 was regionally chilly if I remember correctly. Was a long time ago now. 

That winter was pretty good for virtually everyone outside of this region. November-December was the coldest on record nationally and the inversions at least kept parts of the interior NW in solid snowcover for much of the winter. The SW made out well too, especially in February.

The Puget Sound region at least did okay in mid February with an overnight snowstorm on the 16th. I was actually in Port Angeles that weekend and there was a pretty healthy 7-8" that hung around for a bit. Melted a lot faster in Seattle, though.

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9 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

It’s wrong. And Springfield got to 90F.

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The 5 minute obs often have rounding issues because they're initially reported in celsius, and thus won't reflect the accurate daily highs and lows (which are not in celsius).

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16 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

That winter was pretty good for virtually everyone outside of this region. November-December was the coldest on record nationally and the inversions at least kept parts of the interior NW in solid snowcover for much of the winter. The SW made out well too, especially in February.

The Puget Sound region at least did okay in mid February with an overnight snowstorm on the 16th. I was actually in Port Angeles that weekend and there was a pretty healthy 7-8" that hung around for a bit. Melted a lot faster in Seattle, though.

Pretty much everyone west of I-5 in the Salem area had a nice snow event on 12/11/00. We got about 30 minutes of non-sticking snow out in Silverton unfortunately. I believe that was the day A-Rod signed with the Texas Rangers too, I remember calling my Dad from the landline in the school office to talk to him about that. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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20 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

The 5 minute obs often have rounding issues because they're initially reported in celsius, and thus won't reflect the accurate daily highs and lows (which are not in celsius).

Seems like we have been discussing this for the last 2 months.    Chris jumped all over me for even suggesting that the inter-hour readings could not be trusted.   😀

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13 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Pretty much everyone west of I-5 in the Salem area had a nice snow event on 12/11/00. We got about 30 minutes of non-sticking snow out in Silverton unfortunately. I believe that was the day A-Rod signed with the Texas Rangers too, I remember calling my Dad from the landline in the school office to talk to him about that. 

Forest Grove has some missing data on 12/11/00 but they had a high of 34 and 0.42" of precip, and they recorded a depth of 1". Was it somewhat similar to 1/26/21?

Location: Bethany, OR at about 250'

Snowfall:

     2021/2022: 6"

     2020/2021: 4.5"

     2019/2020: 1"

     2018/2019: 3.7"

     2017/2018: 5.5"

     2016/2017: 18"

     2015/2016: 1"

     2014/2015: 0"

     2013/2014: 9"

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7 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

Forest Grove has some missing data on 12/11/00 but they had a high of 34 and 0.42" of precip, and they recorded a depth of 1". Was it somewhat similar to 1/26/21?

Yes, though I would say amounts were a little higher generally. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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47 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

It’s wrong. And Springfield got to 90F.

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That’s a rounding issue since readings are converted from celsius. The actual high was 89°F.

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47 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Out of curiosity, how many 90+ days did you have last year?

Springfield had 49.

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Springfield, Oregon cold season 21-22 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 35F (Dec 27, 2021)
  • Coldest low: 17F (Feb 23, 2022)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 36 (Most recent: Apr 17, 2022)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 5 (Most recent: Jan 17, 2022)
  • Total snowfall: 10.0"
  • Last accumulating snowfall: December 28, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 14, 2017 (31F) *Longest streak without a sub-freezing high on record*
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall: December 28, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 14, 2017 (31)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 30.7"

 

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12 minutes ago, Phil said:

That’s a rounding issue since readings are converted from celsius. The actual high was 89°F.

My obs are from Springfield which had all of its PWS reach 90F yesterday. We tend to run warmer than the airport.

We actually had the same number of 90F+ days as the airport until yesterday.

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Springfield, Oregon cold season 21-22 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 35F (Dec 27, 2021)
  • Coldest low: 17F (Feb 23, 2022)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 36 (Most recent: Apr 17, 2022)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 5 (Most recent: Jan 17, 2022)
  • Total snowfall: 10.0"
  • Last accumulating snowfall: December 28, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 14, 2017 (31F) *Longest streak without a sub-freezing high on record*
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall: December 28, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 14, 2017 (31)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 30.7"

 

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SLE had 5 90 degree readings on its 5min obs yesterday, but officially only hit 89. Let's take a win when we get it folks. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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8 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Wow, no hope of besting (or would “worsting” be a better term?) that record this year.

Mercifully we should avoid approaching the linebackers and centers.

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Springfield, Oregon cold season 21-22 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 35F (Dec 27, 2021)
  • Coldest low: 17F (Feb 23, 2022)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 36 (Most recent: Apr 17, 2022)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 5 (Most recent: Jan 17, 2022)
  • Total snowfall: 10.0"
  • Last accumulating snowfall: December 28, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 14, 2017 (31F) *Longest streak without a sub-freezing high on record*
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall: December 28, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 14, 2017 (31)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 30.7"

 

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16 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

SLE had 5 90 degree readings on its 5min obs yesterday, but officially only hit 89. Let's take a win when we get it folks. 

Could have been a high of, say, 31.8°C, which would round to 32°C on 5min obs but actually converts to 89.24°F.

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Hmmmm... I just noticed July 2022 came in at the 3rd warmest all time at SLE just behind 2021 and 2015. 

August is at 72.3 through yesterday. Which is behind 2017 and 2014. And at this pace would tie last year's #. I'll work on some projections...

Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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6 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Hmmmm... I just noticed July 2022 came in at the 3rd warmest all time at SLE just behind 2021 and 2015. 

August is at 72.3 through yesterday. Which is behind 2017 and 2014. And at this pace would tie last year's #. I'll work on some projections...

Earlier it was looking like PDX would easily make the warmest month on record but the heat has been toned down a bit towards the end of the month.

Location: Bethany, OR at about 250'

Snowfall:

     2021/2022: 6"

     2020/2021: 4.5"

     2019/2020: 1"

     2018/2019: 3.7"

     2017/2018: 5.5"

     2016/2017: 18"

     2015/2016: 1"

     2014/2015: 0"

     2013/2014: 9"

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4 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Hmmmm... I just noticed July 2022 came in at the 3rd warmest all time at SLE just behind 2021 and 2015. 

August is at 72.3 through yesterday. Which is behind 2017 and 2014. And at this pace would tie last year's #. I'll work on some projections...

Looks like most stations in SW BC are on pace for a record August.  We will have to see how much the weekend cool down knocks back the means. 

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Right now if we go with the NWS forecast, SLE would be at 72.6 through the 29th. That would put them just ahead of 2014 and within striking distance of 2017. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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Through July SLE was running -1.4 per month cooler than 2021, which was their 2nd warmest year in their 1892-present period of record. SLE was well above average in September and November last year, and just slightly above average in October and December. So if we can keep it just slightly above normal the rest of the year we should avoid a top 5 finish. Thank you April and May!

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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3 hours ago, HoodCanalBridge said:

Crisp morning down in fire camp this morning at Diamond Lake, Oregon.

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Never been to Diamond Lake. It’s very close to the Crater Lake north entrance though. Wondering if it’s worth the trip from Bend/Sunriver.

Also have to go to Toketee Falls which is also close to Crater Lake.

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Just now, Omegaraptor said:

Never been to Diamond Lake. It’s very close to the Crater Lake north entrance though. Wondering if it’s worth the trip from Bend/Sunriver.

Also have to go to Toketee Falls which is also close to Crater Lake.

I tried to get a reservation to go camping there but you can’t camp at any of the campsites near the lake after September 7th apparently. 

22-23 cold season stats

Coldest max-65

Coldest min-48

Monthly rainfall-0.04”

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Despite the marine layer hanging on longer than I expected this morning looks like we should still get into the low 80s this afternoon. Still should be a bit cooler than yesterday up to 76 now. 

22-23 cold season stats

Coldest max-65

Coldest min-48

Monthly rainfall-0.04”

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Just now, TacomaWx said:

I tried to get a reservation to go camping there but you can’t camp at any of the campsites near the lake after September 7th apparently. 

Oh that's strange. I do know sometimes they will allow camping in the campgrounds after they are officially closed, there are just no hookups for RV'ers or restrooms available. We have done that at Trillium Lake by Mt. Hood and Ollallie Lake by Mt. Jefferson over the years. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Oh that's strange. I do know sometimes they will allow camping in the campgrounds after they are officially closed, there are just no hookups for RV'ers or restrooms available. We have done that at Trillium Lake by Mt. Hood and Ollallie Lake by Mt. Jefferson over the years. 

Yeah I’m sure we could technically do it but decided to just reserve a spot at crescent lake just to be safe. It’s kind of annoying how the camping reservations system works unfortunately…last year when I went down to a few spots in Oregon the campgrounds were fully reserved online but every campground I went too was less than half full. I’m sure it’ll be the same when I go in 2 weeks. 

22-23 cold season stats

Coldest max-65

Coldest min-48

Monthly rainfall-0.04”

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5 hours ago, Phil said:

Nice write-up there.

Only qualm I have is 1999/00 and 2000/01 were left out of the analog pool. Crazy to exclude those in favor of weak sauce niña winters like 2005/06 and 2016/17.

Larry Cosgrove is hype up about the fall winter  and he not one that tends to talk in strong terms very much.no doubt it been a unusal pattern.It will prove interisting to see what happens.I got to give Cosgrove some due for going against the high end hurricane forecasts he was one of the lowest out there.Ironically even he may be to high.And his summer forecasts was spot on as well.

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3 minutes ago, TacomaWx said:

Yeah I’m sure we could technically do it but decided to just reserve a spot at crescent lake just to be safe. It’s kind of annoying how the camping reservations system works unfortunately…last year when I went down to a few spots in Oregon the campgrounds were fully reserved online but every campground I went too was less than half full. I’m sure it’ll be the same when I go in 2 weeks. 

Yeah the reservation system and the wilderness permitting system are whack. I had to make reservations for a couple short hike/backpacks in the Mt. Jefferson and Three Sisters Wilderness areas this summer about 6 months in advance and as a result won't actually end up getting to go on at least one of them because of some work commitments that came up. I read they had a 70% no show rate last summer. Guess it gives the wilderness some space to heal though, but it stinks for anyone who just wants to go for a day hike on a random Wednesday. One of my favorite times to hike in the Cascades though is in late September and October and that is outside the permit window for a lot of places, so that is nice. Who knows if/when my favorite trail will ever re-open, it burned in 2017 AND 2020. :(

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 82.13" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 

 

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8 minutes ago, TacomaWx said:

Yeah I’m sure we could technically do it but decided to just reserve a spot at crescent lake just to be safe. It’s kind of annoying how the camping reservations system works unfortunately…last year when I went down to a few spots in Oregon the campgrounds were fully reserved online but every campground I went too was less than half full. I’m sure it’ll be the same when I go in 2 weeks. 

I hate that… have to reserve WAAAAAAY in advance, removes all spontaneity, and you’re f*cked if the weather doesn’t cooperate. On a lark last month I went camping near Harrison Lake w/o a reservation. Was prepared to do dispersed camping if the campground was full but I lucked out and there were several no-shows so I had my choice of spots.

It's called clown range for a reason.

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2 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

I hate that… have to reserve WAAAAAAY in advance, removes all spontaneity, and you’re f*cked if the weather doesn’t cooperate. On a lark last month I went camping near Harrison Lake w/o a reservation. Was prepared to do dispersed camping if the campground was full but I lucked out and there were several no-shows so I had my choice of spots.

Yeah I’m hoping for some no shows to get some better camping spots. The ones I booked a couple months ago are decent but not right on the lakes…last year I was able to just get some better spots with no shows. My last night at little lava lake last year on a night that was supposed to be 90% reserved up I was the only person there which was a little spooky lol. 

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22-23 cold season stats

Coldest max-65

Coldest min-48

Monthly rainfall-0.04”

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8 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Yeah the reservation system and the wilderness permitting system are whack. I had to make reservations for a couple short hike/backpacks in the Mt. Jefferson and Three Sisters Wilderness areas this summer about 6 months in advance and as a result won't actually end up getting to go on at least one of them because of some work commitments that came up. I read they had a 70% no show rate last summer. Guess it gives the wilderness some space to heal though, but it stinks for anyone who just wants to go for a day hike on a random Wednesday. One of my favorite times to hike in the Cascades though is in late September and October and that is outside the permit window for a lot of places, so that is nice. Who knows if/when my favorite trail will ever re-open, it burned in 2017 AND 2020. :(

Yeah I went in late September last year to the three sisters wilderness and mount bachelor right after a decent snowstorm on the 19th. Had an absolute blast with almost nobody around. It’s very frustrating that so many people reserve campsites then just cancel them the day before and just no show. Hopefully it works in my favor this year again though. 

22-23 cold season stats

Coldest max-65

Coldest min-48

Monthly rainfall-0.04”

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3 hours ago, BLI snowman said:

That really just depends. CA's biggest rainmakers can come from several different scenarios. 

Most often it's either from enhanced subtropical jet activity in stronger El Ninos (1982-83 and 1997-98 being prime examples) or from consistent northern stream jet suppression leading to intense baroclinic zone activity (2016-17, 1996-97, 1992-93, and 1968-69 being examples). Many of those seasons, even the warmer ones, were sufficiently wet for our region and some of them extremely so.

Occasionally you'll also see steroidal rex block driven split flow bring high precip totals to CA (2000-01) which when coupled with El Nino driven STJ action can bring really high end results for them (2004-05 and 1940-41 being examples). Those cases are the bad ones for our region where we end up in severe drought. Which given our perma-heat summers now are a bad option for us. I don't know that we can easily afford a winter like 2000-01 nowadays since getting another summer as cool as 2001 increasingly seems like a pipe dream (and even that coolish summer had some bad fire activity).

That was a really good write up. How was 2010-2011 in the PNW? It was one of the all time winters for much of California. I keep seeing that Analog come up for this winter as well. 

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3 hours ago, BLI snowman said:

That winter was pretty good for virtually everyone outside of this region. November-December was the coldest on record nationally and the inversions at least kept parts of the interior NW in solid snowcover for much of the winter. The SW made out well too, especially in February.

The Puget Sound region at least did okay in mid February with an overnight snowstorm on the 16th. I was actually in Port Angeles that weekend and there was a pretty healthy 7-8" that hung around for a bit. Melted a lot faster in Seattle, though.

2000-2001 was a total turd for the Sierra. No moisture at all until Feb. I think it was Reno's all time driest winter as well. 

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12 minutes ago, AlTahoe said:

2000-2001 was a total turd for the Sierra. No moisture at all until Feb. I think it was Reno's all time driest winter as well. 

That winter was so dry in Portland that you could sit on the ground and your butt wouldn't get wet.

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