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Just now, crf450ish said:

What if I told you that the sun is literally expanding in size and because of that the Earth is quite literally closer to the Sun.

The sun will eventually envelop the Earth... but before that we get a nice Venus-like experience.  

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15 minutes ago, Front Ranger said:

Pretty close to average precip on the year now for most locations.

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Which is pretty impressive, considering summer anomalies (no matter how extreme) represent a very small percentage of overall precip during the year.

I'll still take this year.  We're still in a darker shade of green. The wet spring made a huge difference in my corner of state. In 2020 we moved to our area (Idaho side) at the start of summer and there were a few wildfires that started on the Palouse and a decent sized one near Army Corps property in Asotin/Whitman county. In 2021 there were a ton of major wildfires in every county near mine. We had three fires within 20 miles at the same time and were briefly threatened (no evac) by one. At the same time there was a huge fire just south of Lewiston in Idaho.  Columbia, Walla Walla, and Whitman counties had several fires. This year there were a few sparks but all the fires were downed quickly. The other major fire in my general area (within 1 hr drive) was one by Central Ferry (Whitman County on the other side of the snake river). Property damage wasn't too bad but it did close a state highway for a few days. 

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Garfield County/Pomeroy, WA:

2023-2024 Snowfall totals: 14.3 inches

HIghest snow total (per event): 5.8 inches total 1/11/24 - 1/12/24.

Most recent accumulation (non trace): 0.20 inches on 2/26/24

Days with  trace or more snowfall: 12/01/23 (0.60), 1/8/24 (1.0), 1/10/24 (3.5), 1/11/23 (3.5 inches with Thundersnow; separate event from prior day), 1/12/24 (2.30). 1/14/24 (T), 1/17/24 (1.20 inches), 1/18/24 (1.5 inches), 1/19/24 (0.20), 2/09/24 (0.30), 2/26/24 (0.20-mainly graupel)

First Freeze: 10/27/2023

Last Sub freezing Day: 1/20/24 (12th) (8 days in a row from 1/12/24-1/20/24)

Coldest low: -12F (!!!!!!!!) (1/12/24)

Last White Christmas: 2022 at my location (on ground)

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2 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Not up here.

SEA was around -5.0 for both April and May and only +2.1 and +2.6 for July and August.

Spring was much more anomalously cold than summer was anomalously warm there.  

That’s not how it works. Summer temperatures are generally more consistent. When we went over the PRISM data which goes back to 1895, April and May were more anomalously cold and wet down here. Maybe summer was not quite as hot up there by historical standards, but I think it was close. And whatever SeaTac ranked is kind of irrelevant when we have a much more comprehensive dataset at our disposal.

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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8 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Not up here.

SEA was -4.2 in April and -4.9 in May and only +2.1 and +2.6 for July and August.

Spring was much more anomalously cold than summer was anomalously warm there.  

That is relative to the new 1991-2020 normals. Also, standard deviations for temperature departures vastly decrease during the summer months. You know this.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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5 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

That is relative to the new 1991-2020 normals. Also, standard deviations for temperature departures vastly decrease during the summer months. You know this.

I don't know that... I just go by departure from average by month.    April and May were farther from normal on the cold side than July and August were on the warm side at SEA.    That is just math.  

I get that its a warming climate though... there is no debate on that.    So if you are comparing to 125 year averages then this spring probably lines up closer to long term climo than this summer.   But that is a moving target because the climate is warming long term.

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5 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

That is relative to the new 1991-2020 normals. Also, standard deviations for temperature departures vastly decrease during the summer months. You know this.

I’m not sure that he does… Edit, he doesn’t.😂

Cold Season 2023/24:

Total snowfall: 26"

Highest daily snowfall: 5"

Deepest snow depth: 12"

Coldest daily high: -20ºF

Coldest daily low: -42ºF

Number of subzero days: 5

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2 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

I don't know that... I just go by departure from average by month.    April and May were farther from normal on the cold side than July and August were on the warm side at SEA.    That is just math.  

Think of it this way, where did April and May rank as far as coldest on record. Now do July and August.

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Cold Season 2023/24:

Total snowfall: 26"

Highest daily snowfall: 5"

Deepest snow depth: 12"

Coldest daily high: -20ºF

Coldest daily low: -42ºF

Number of subzero days: 5

Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: 

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1 minute ago, Kayla said:

I’m not sure that he does… Edit, he doesn’t.😂

I honestly don't.   

The farther from normal the more extreme... regardless of season.    But if we are trying to compare to averages going back to the 1800s then good luck because everything will be warmer.

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Just now, Kayla said:

Think of it this way, where did April and May rank as far as coldest on record. Now do July and August.

Got it... and I have added that to my posts.    

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4 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

I honestly don't.   

The farther from normal the more extreme... regardless of season.    But if we are trying to compare to averages going back to the 1800s then good luck because everything will be warmer.

Huh?? You do know that SEA is an airport right? Records only go back to 1945.

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Cold Season 2023/24:

Total snowfall: 26"

Highest daily snowfall: 5"

Deepest snow depth: 12"

Coldest daily high: -20ºF

Coldest daily low: -42ºF

Number of subzero days: 5

Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: 

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Just now, Kayla said:

Think of it this way, where did April and May rank as far as coldest on record. Now do July and August.

And July/August 2022 aren't major outliers for this decade, while April/May were the first really cool/wet ones since 2011 I think. Even then it doesn't make it on the top 5 at PDX. 

Hottest July/August periods at PDX:
 1. 2022 - 74.4
 2. 2018 - 73.1
 3. 2015 - 73.1
 4. 2021 - 72.8
 5. 2014 - 72.5

Coldest April/May periods at PDX
 1. 1964 - 49.7
 2. 1955 - 49.7
 3. 2011 - 51.0
 4. 1950 - 51.6
 5. 1967 - 52.0

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For the record. SEA recorded its 7th coldest April/May and 3rd warmest July/August on record. 

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Cold Season 2023/24:

Total snowfall: 26"

Highest daily snowfall: 5"

Deepest snow depth: 12"

Coldest daily high: -20ºF

Coldest daily low: -42ºF

Number of subzero days: 5

Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: 

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2 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

And July/August 2022 aren't major outliers for this decade, while April/May were the first really cool/wet ones since 2011 I think. Even then it doesn't make it on the top 5 at PDX. 

Hottest July/August periods at PDX:
 1. 2022 - 74.4
 2. 2018 - 73.1
 3. 2015 - 73.1
 4. 2021 - 72.8
 5. 2014 - 72.5

Coldest April/May periods at PDX:
 1. 1964 - 49.7
 2. 1955 - 49.7
 3. 2011 - 51.0
 4. 1950 - 51.6
 5. 1967 - 52.0

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Hottest July/August periods at OLM:
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Coldest April/May periods at PDX:
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2022 was our first cool April/May period in a decade, while we've had multiple extremely hot July/August periods such as 2022, 2015, 2014, 2018 and more.

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2 minutes ago, Kayla said:

For the record. SEA recorded its 7th coldest April/May and 3rd warmest July/August on record. 

Impressive on both sides.   And fairly balanced.

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3 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

And July/August 2022 aren't major outliers for this decade, while April/May were the first really cool/wet ones since 2011 I think. Even then it doesn't make it on the top 5 at PDX. 

Hottest July/August periods at PDX:
 1. 2022 - 74.4
 2. 2018 - 73.1
 3. 2015 - 73.1
 4. 2021 - 72.8
 5. 2014 - 72.5

Coldest April/May periods at PDX
 1. 1964 - 49.7
 2. 1955 - 49.7
 3. 2011 - 51.0
 4. 1950 - 51.6
 5. 1967 - 52.0

The summer numbers that PDX has put over the last 8 years is insane. I'm not one to be an alarmist but it is quite concerning.

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Cold Season 2023/24:

Total snowfall: 26"

Highest daily snowfall: 5"

Deepest snow depth: 12"

Coldest daily high: -20ºF

Coldest daily low: -42ºF

Number of subzero days: 5

Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: 

https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history

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11 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

Really hope the folks that made our first cool and wet spring in a decade happen because they rooted for it are feeling properly punished at this point. Don’t let it happen again.

If I was a rain lover... I would have been pretty concerned about a summer into fall payback by the end of May.   It was too extreme.   

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2 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Impressive on both sides.   And fairly balanced.

In my opinion, it's not fairly balanced when the the cold April/May was one of two this decade, while we've had multiple July/Augusts that have been very warm (and not to mention April/May 2016, 2019, 2018, 2020, 2014 or 2015 which were the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th, 7th, and 8th warmest on record at SeaTac)

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1 minute ago, Doiinko said:

In my opinion, it's not fairly balanced when the the cold April/May was one of two this decade, while we've had multiple July/Augusts that have been very warm (and not to mention April/May 2016, 2019, 2018, 2020, 2014 or 2015 which were the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th, 7th, and 8th warmest on record at SeaTac)

Now we are back to talk about recent history.    I tried to compare to 1991-2020 normals and was told that was wrong and we must compare all time rankings.

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Nice timing with the troughing tomorrow into Friday... should clear out all the smoke and then the ECMWF shows wall-to-wall sun all weekend.   Should be really nice and it's unlikely offshore flow will bring back the smoke to any significant degree 

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1 minute ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

I have some terrible news to share.

My fiancees son was in a terrible motorcycle accident last week and had been on life support, we lost him today.

I feel terrible and I'm sick to my stomach watch my best friend and love go through this, a parent shouldn't have to ever go through this it shouldn't be allowed to happen in nature. He was only 24 years old and his name was Adam. You people on here have always been good friends and offer good support so I figured I should share this on here. If anyone has ever been through this, loosing a child please pm me as I have no idea how to support her or what to do I know when I lost my wife I wanted to be left alone. She's going through the worst thing that can to a Person.  This hurts. 

I am so sorry.   Will be thinking of you and your family.    Just reading your post hurts... can't imagine that pain.  

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13 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

I have some terrible news to share.

My fiancees son was in a terrible motorcycle accident last week and had been on life support, we lost him today.

I feel terrible and I'm sick to my stomach watch my best friend and love go through this, a parent shouldn't have to ever go through this it shouldn't be allowed to happen in nature. He was only 24 years old and his name was Adam. You people on here have always been good friends and offer good support so I figured I should share this on here. If anyone has ever been through this, loosing a child please pm me as I have no idea how to support her or what to do I know when I lost my wife I wanted to be left alone. She's going through the worst thing that can to a Person.  This hurts. 

So sorry for your guys' loss. Please don't hesitate to reach out if you need anything. We're here for you.

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29 minutes ago, Kayla said:

Think of it this way, where did April and May rank as far as coldest on record. Now do July and August.

SEA, of course, is a poor comparison historically due to increased urban building on and near the airport.

For OLM:

April ranked 5th coldest on record

May ranked 9th coldest on record

July ranked 9th warmest on record

August ranked 2nd warmest on record

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32 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

Really hope the folks that made our first cool and wet spring in a decade happen because they rooted for it are feeling properly punished at this point. Don’t let it happen again.

You joke, but that's the actual tone I got out of his message.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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17 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

I have some terrible news to share.

My fiancees son was in a terrible motorcycle accident last week and had been on life support, we lost him today.

I feel terrible and I'm sick to my stomach watch my best friend and love go through this, a parent shouldn't have to ever go through this it shouldn't be allowed to happen in nature. He was only 24 years old and his name was Adam. You people on here have always been good friends and offer good support so I figured I should share this on here. If anyone has ever been through this, loosing a child please pm me as I have no idea how to support her or what to do I know when I lost my wife I wanted to be left alone. She's going through the worst thing that can to a Person.  This hurts. 

I have no words... I am so sorry

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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29 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

For OLM:
Hottest July/August periods at OLM:
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Coldest April/May periods at OLM:
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2022 was our first cool April/May period in a decade, while we've had multiple extremely hot July/August periods such as 2022, 2015, 2014, 2018 and more.

Hey, 2 of the top 4 coldest April/Mays since 2010!

But 3 of the top 4 warmest July/Augusts in that same period. 🙃

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Just now, Meatyorologist said:

You joke, but that's the actual tone I got out of his message.

Goes both ways... we are now building up a rain debt and I wish we could get some rain to balance it out.   I am cheering for the opposite of what I usually do.   I would love to see things more balanced.    It's been one extreme to another since late March.   

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31 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

I have some terrible news to share.

My fiancees son was in a terrible motorcycle accident last week and had been on life support, we lost him today.

I feel terrible and I'm sick to my stomach watch my best friend and love go through this, a parent shouldn't have to ever go through this it shouldn't be allowed to happen in nature. He was only 24 years old and his name was Adam. You people on here have always been good friends and offer good support so I figured I should share this on here. If anyone has ever been through this, loosing a child please pm me as I have no idea how to support her or what to do I know when I lost my wife I wanted to be left alone. She's going through the worst thing that can to a Person.  This hurts. 

I’m so sorry man. You’ve already been through so much. I’m just at a loss for words. Stay strong my friend and don’t hesitate to ask for anything.

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33 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

I have some terrible news to share.

My fiancees son was in a terrible motorcycle accident last week and had been on life support, we lost him today.

I feel terrible and I'm sick to my stomach watch my best friend and love go through this, a parent shouldn't have to ever go through this it shouldn't be allowed to happen in nature. He was only 24 years old and his name was Adam. You people on here have always been good friends and offer good support so I figured I should share this on here. If anyone has ever been through this, loosing a child please pm me as I have no idea how to support her or what to do I know when I lost my wife I wanted to be left alone. She's going through the worst thing that can to a Person.  This hurts. 

I'm so sorry. Hang in there and know that this community is always here for you.❤️

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Cold Season 2023/24:

Total snowfall: 26"

Highest daily snowfall: 5"

Deepest snow depth: 12"

Coldest daily high: -20ºF

Coldest daily low: -42ºF

Number of subzero days: 5

Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: 

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21 minutes ago, Front Ranger said:

SEA, of course, is a poor comparison historically due to increased urban building on and near the airport.

For OLM:

April ranked 5th coldest on record

May ranked 9th coldest on record

July ranked 9th warmest on record

August ranked 2nd warmest on record

Or 4th coldest May/June and 3rd warmest July/August on record. Dynamic year no doubt.

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Cold Season 2023/24:

Total snowfall: 26"

Highest daily snowfall: 5"

Deepest snow depth: 12"

Coldest daily high: -20ºF

Coldest daily low: -42ºF

Number of subzero days: 5

Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: 

https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history

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27 minutes ago, Front Ranger said:

SEA, of course, is a poor comparison historically due to increased urban building on and near the airport.

For OLM:

April ranked 5th coldest on record

May ranked 9th coldest on record

July ranked 9th warmest on record

August ranked 2nd warmest on record

So it did balance out very close to even like I thought.   

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47 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

If I was a rain lover... I would have been pretty concerned about a summer into fall payback by the end of May.   It was too extreme.   

The precip up north was less extreme than the temps in April and May. For your area it was like 30th wettest April per PRISM.  But either way, I don’t think this summer was payback for anything. If it worked that way last summer would have had record breaking rainfall to make up for the record dry spring. I would posit we are going to pretty much always torch in the summer now no matter how the previous summer, fall, winter, and spring worked, and despite ENSO. Even the much ballyhooed summer of 2019’ was much warmer than our historical average. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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