Andie Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 I don't know what others think of the WUWT site, but they've posted an interesting article on the North Atlantic temps. With a number of graphs charting the history. Worth sauntering through it. I think as it stands right now, it's more likely to deliver some cold weather to Europe but not globally. The current solar cycle isn't appreciably different from the last one. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/08/21/the-north-atlantic-ground-zero-of-global-cooling/ Monthly heat content anomaly in the uppermost 700 metres of the North Atlantic Quote Before You Diagnose Yourself With Depression or Low Self-Esteem,...First Make Sure You Are Not In Fact, Just Surrounded By A$$holes. “If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell.” Gen. Sheridan 1866 2018 Rainfall - 62.65" High Temp. - 110.03* Low Temp. - 8.4* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 From what I've read the cooling in the N. Atlantic is a result of the melting Greenland icecap. So its actually a strong signal for Global Warming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I'd argue the wind stress(es) associated with a strong underlying +NAO/expanded Atlantic Hadley Cell in recent years is to blame for the changes in the deep Atlantic circulation and thermocline. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I'd argue the wind stress(es) associated with a strong underlying +NAO/expanded Atlantic Hadley Cell in recent years is to blame for the changes in the deep Atlantic circulation and thermocline. Well, I don't have the qualifications to argue that point with you. But I do remember reading about the N. Atlantic cold spot and how it ties to meltwater from Greenland. Seemed to make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherfan2012 Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Robert Filex posted this Article on his blog site as well iceagenow that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Well, I don't have the qualifications to argue that point with you. But I do remember reading about the N. Atlantic cold spot and how it ties to meltwater from Greenland. Seemed to make sense.True, but really if anything the rate of Greenland melting has slowed since 2012, thanks to the raging +NAO summers in recent years. If this NATL cooling had occurred following a string of warm/-NAO summers, that'd be another story. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 To me it seems to be an East Coast thing where everyone thinks the Atlantic rules the world. I'm not so sure. That graph certainly is intriguing though. I wonder if the lag from the solar grand maximum is beginning to wear off. Makes sense the Atlantic would react first since it's smaller. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 I don't know what others think of the WUWT site, but they've posted an interesting article on the North Atlantic temps. With a number of graphs charting the history. Worth sauntering through it. I think as it stands right now, it's more likely to deliver some cold weather to Europe but not globally.The current solar cycle isn't appreciably different from the last one. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/08/21/the-north-atlantic-ground-zero-of-global-cooling/ image.jpegMonthly heat content anomaly in the uppermost 700 metres of the North Atlantic I think this solar cycle is actually on course to be much lower than the last one. For the point of the cycle we are at we've already had an impressive number of spotless days since the solar max compared to previous cycles. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Hole Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 As wxstatman said, the one place on earth actually expected to see cooling with global warming is the north Atlantic. There are a couple of reasons for this including increased melt, and changes to the oceanic circulation. Quote Winter 23-24: Total Snow (3.2") Total Ice (0.2") Coldest Low: 1F Coldest High: 5F Snow Events: 0.1" Jan 5th, 0.2" Jan 9th, 1.6" Jan 14, 0.2" (ice) Jan 22, 1.3" Feb 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andie Posted August 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I'm enjoying the discussion. I was thinking about this this weekend and I recalled a study that Cambridge Univ. did back in 2004 in the North Atlantic. They announced that one or perhaps two of the "pumps" in the North Atlantic have ceased to operate. Would this not affect the temps in the Northern Atlantic reaches first or early on as the global circulation slows ? It's 12 years on now from that study. I've not run across any current information on that but it would be interesting to know how the pumps and circulation tie into the North Atlantic temps. Any thoughts? Quote Before You Diagnose Yourself With Depression or Low Self-Esteem,...First Make Sure You Are Not In Fact, Just Surrounded By A$$holes. “If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell.” Gen. Sheridan 1866 2018 Rainfall - 62.65" High Temp. - 110.03* Low Temp. - 8.4* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 As wxstatman said, the one place on earth actually expected to see cooling with global warming is the north Atlantic. There are a couple of reasons for this including increased melt, and changes to the oceanic circulation. That idea is the premise for that movie they did a few years back about a sudden ice age developing. I still think it's premature to say any warming we have experienced isn't a natural cycle. As I've said before sea level managed to rise over 50 feet since the last ice age and most of that had nothing to with AGW. I just laugh when the global warming freaks go nuts over a sea level rise of 1 inch. Everything we have seen is well within the envelope of what could happen all by itself. But that's a different topic of course... Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 That idea is the premise for that movie they did a few years back about a sudden ice age developing. I still think it's premature to say any warming we have experienced isn't a natural cycle. As I've said before sea level managed to rise over 50 feet since the last ice age and most of that had nothing to with AGW. I just laugh when the global warming freaks go nuts over a sea level rise of 1 inch. Everything we have seen is well within the envelope of what could happen all by itself. But that's a different topic of course...Sea levels have risen hundreds of meters since the last ice age. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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