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51 minutes ago, Niko said:

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That scenario happened to the city manager in Sault Saint Marie, MI back in Dec '95 except his door wouldn't go up. When he went back inside his house and looked out the window discovering they'd had 5 foot of snow basically overnight. Nothing like getting that much snow and not even being aware. Buffalo and the entire planet knew a week in advance they'd be getting buried. 

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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11 minutes ago, jaster220 said:

That scenario happened to the city manager in Sault Saint Marie, MI back in Dec '95 except his door wouldn't go up. When he went back inside his house and looked out the window discovering they'd had 5 foot of snow basically overnight. Nothing like getting that much snow and not even being aware. Buffalo and the entire planet knew a week in advance they'd be getting buried. 

Can you imagine trying to clean up all of that snow. I mean, where do you start. Unbelievable!!!!

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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8 hours ago, hawkstwelve said:

12z Euro brings home the bacon for South Dakota. It shows a foot of snow falling in Sioux Falls over the course of just six hours on 11/30. Yes please!

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Not to be a buzz-kill, but not sure how great I'd feel being in the cross hairs 10 days out? Around here, I've been burned getting excited at h48

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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Nice little thaw (if you will) coming next week. Temps could actually hit 50F for a day or two, b4 getting slightly colder by weeks end.

As far as the Thanksgiving storm goes, it looks like rain will be the dominant precipitation maker here. Time will tell.

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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4 minutes ago, Niko said:

Can you imagine trying to clean up all of that snow. I mean, where do you start. Unbelievable!!!!

Front Loader is about the only thing that could really tackle that kind of depth. Sure, you could chip-away at it with lesser equipment but I think I'd just get in line and wait for my number to come up, lol. I remember helping my dad clear our modest 2-lane driveway after the bliz of '79 or maybe it was the April 3rd 1975 storm. One of those. We actually got to borrow a small cheap old snow blower (the snow was really wet and heavy). It couldn't handle just plowing into the roughly 13" depth so we took turns throwing a shovel full in front of it and running over that which it could barely toss. But it sure beat doing all the lifting and tossing by hand. 

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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6 minutes ago, Niko said:

Nice little thaw (if you will) coming next week. Temps could actually hit 50F for a day or two, b4 getting slightly colder by weeks end.

As far as the Thanksgiving storm goes, it looks like rain will be the dominant precipitation maker here. Time will tell.

50 gonna feel like a heatwave. I know we just had a similar cold blast and LES event 3 years ago this month, but this seems worse in duration and maybe due to it coming so quickly on the heals of weeks of warm AN temps. Large ponds have iced over even here in the metro. 

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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9 minutes ago, jaster220 said:

50 gonna feel like a heatwave. I know we just had a similar cold blast and LES event 3 years ago this month, but this seems worse in duration and maybe due to it coming so quickly on the heals of weeks of warm AN temps. Large ponds have iced over even here in the metro. 

Break out the shorts, right. I bet you that temps go even higher than 50F. Any snow we have otg will be gone by Tuesday.

Also,  I bet the ground has gotten a lot colder now too. No more warm surface.

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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This is about as good as it gets out here in the "Valley of the Sun"...we will be immersed in abundant sunshine this Thanksgiving Holiday week as travelers from across the country will be flying in for delightful weather.  Talk about perfect timing...mid 70's and sunny skies...sign me up!

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The models in the LR are not to be trusted and will cave towards the -NAO block that will lock as we open up the 1st month of MET Winter.  Get'r ready for some interesting runs today and throughout this holiday week.  Don't Fret, bc I'll Bet the NE PAC/Alaskan Ridge will Fire up and unload the cold into the lower 48.  I am intrigued by this D10 10mb pattern off the EURO bc it exemplifies what happened in OCT.  #SplitFlow #STJ

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The snow event of November 2022 is now over and at Grand Rapids it was sure a record setting event. With 6 days in a row of snow fall. The total for the 6 days was 27.6” That in its self is good for the 2nd snowiest November at Grand Rapids. The total snow fall of 28.0” is the new 2nd most for any November.

The official H/L yesterday at Grand Rapids was 27/18. There was 0.7” of snow fall. At 7 AM yesterday there was 10” of snow on the ground at GRR. Here in MBY the temperature fell to 18 before midnight but rose to 21 after midnight and that was the overnight low here. At the current time it is 23 and partly cloudy. For today the average H/L is 45/31 the record high of 70 was set in 1913 and the record low of 10 was set in 2014 the record snow fall amount of 4.0” was set way back in 1896. I now have 8” of snow on the ground. With melting taking place from the bottom for the warm ground and the sun from the top the snow depth will drop over the next couple of days and most should be gone by the weekend.

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We almost set a new record low this morning...but just missed with a low here in East Nantmeal of 18.7 (17.0 record from 1951) After a couple more below normal temperature days we should see a return to normal temps by Wednesday and lasting right through the holiday weekend. Average high temps for the last week of November are around 50 degrees.
The record high for today is 76 degrees set back in 1900. The record low is 17.0 from 1951. The daily rain mark is 2.29" from 1952 and our record daily snowfall is 1.5" from 2008.
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All historical weather data analytics posted by me is specifically for the climate of Chester County PA.  We continually analyze the actual raw non-adjusted NWS certified Coop observed climate data for Chester County.  There have been no post observation adjustments to any of the detailed analytics. All data is sourced from trained NWS observers and spotters. The life blood of science is to challenge what is thought to be known. The concept that climate change etc. is somehow “settled science” describes a religion - a belief system that does not welcome challenges. We should all continue to challenge science!    Snow Totals 2023/24 = 24.5" -  11/28 (0.3") / 12/7 (0.8") / 12/11 (0.8") / 1/6 (2.0") / 1/16 (2.8") / 1/19 (4.5") / 2/13 (10.5") / 2/17 (2.8")

Average Chester County PA Snow at elevations over 660 FT ASL (1983-Present) = 35.9" Snow totals by season: 2022/23 (2.7") /2021/22 (20.5")  2020/21 snow  (52.2") /  2019/20 snow (5.8" )/ 2018/19 snow (35.1" )/ 2017/18 snow (58.5") / 2016/17 snow (24.0")/ 2015/16 snow (40.8")/ 2014/15 snow = (55.3") /2013/14 snow (80.0").

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On 11/14/2022 at 8:19 PM, jaster220 said:

Where exactly are you man?? 

On a cold, windy af island in the Canadian Maritimes.

Had some accumulating snow since my last post but it melted. Been pretty cold recently but not much available precip for some reason. We're getting there!

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3 minutes ago, gimmesnow said:

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December like 2022 for southern Wisconsin? YES PLEASE!

Do you mean like 2000?? I think we'd all sign-up for that. Max bliz total was 20" just a bit west of here. 

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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Gorgeous outside. Temp is at 46F w abundant of sunshine. Its a little windy, but no biggie. 

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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5 hours ago, tStacsh said:

22.5" inches of snow is being eviscerated by upper 30's.  Down to 5.5"

Surprised how much survived our 45F and sunny afternoon. Our soil temps had a chance to cool prior to any real snow falling Sat after dark. 

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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13 hours ago, westMJim said:

The snow event of November 2022 is now over and at Grand Rapids it was sure a record setting event. With 6 days in a row of snow fall. The total for the 6 days was 27.6” That in its self is good for the 2nd snowiest November at Grand Rapids. The total snow fall of 28.0” is the new 2nd most for any November.

The official H/L yesterday at Grand Rapids was 27/18. There was 0.7” of snow fall. At 7 AM yesterday there was 10” of snow on the ground at GRR. Here in MBY the temperature fell to 18 before midnight but rose to 21 after midnight and that was the overnight low here. At the current time it is 23 and partly cloudy. For today the average H/L is 45/31 the record high of 70 was set in 1913 and the record low of 10 was set in 2014 the record snow fall amount of 4.0” was set way back in 1896. I now have 8” of snow on the ground. With melting taking place from the bottom for the warm ground and the sun from the top the snow depth will drop over the next couple of days and most should be gone by the weekend.

That was a pretty special November run! Hope you enjoyed it.

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Models are coming into an agreement on a nice rain this Saturday with a storm coming out of the SW.  Pretty cool how it comes together and brings the comma head of the storm through my area.  Big rains for Oklahoma the hot spot for precipitation this season. 

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I'll be going for a high of 56 today as temps climb above normal.  Quite the streak of cold weather most of us just experienced.

Well, today we finally broke the streak of 10 consecutive days of below normal temperatures where we averaged 13 degrees below normal through that stretch and it was the 2nd coldest Nov 11th-20th on record!
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43 minutes ago, Clinton said:

I'll be going for a high of 56 today as temps climb above normal.  Quite the streak of cold weather most of us just experienced.

Well, today we finally broke the streak of 10 consecutive days of below normal temperatures where we averaged 13 degrees below normal through that stretch and it was the 2nd coldest Nov 11th-20th on record!

It's crazy how much the models have waffled with this system...due to it being cut-off from the main flow it always wrecks havoc in the modeling, esp with the blocking developing over the top of the system.  Should we start a storm thread?  TX Panhandle Cutter??  Another formidable system in the center of the Nation right where the LRC Hot Spot has been setting up Shop.

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40 minutes ago, Tom said:

It's crazy how much the models have waffled with this system...due to it being cut-off from the main flow it always wrecks havoc in the modeling, esp with the blocking developing over the top of the system.  Should we start a storm thread?  TX Panhandle Cutter??  Another formidable system in the center of the Nation right where the LRC Hot Spot has been setting up Shop.

Yes please if you wouldn't mind.  I have a crazy day ahead.

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Yesterday, with 91% of possible sunshine and a high of 40 and a low of 22 seen a good amount of snow melt. The day officially started with 7” on the ground at Grand Rapids. There was no precipitation and no snow fall. Here in MBY the overnight low was 16 it is now up to 21 here. For today the average H/L is 44/31 the record high of 66 was recorded in 1913 and the record low of 13 was set in 1929. The record snow fall for today is 7.0” in 1985 there was 6.8” in 1945. The next week or so looks to be more typical of late November with highs in the upper 30’s and low to mid 40’s the snow on the ground here should be mostly gone by the weekend.

 

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A nice couple days through Thanksgiving. Temps moderating to near normal. Some rain possible later Friday into Saturday AM. More rain looks to arrive by Sunday AM - Sunday now looks like the wetter of the 2 days.
Our record high for today is 72 degrees from 1931. The record low is 13 degrees from 1964. Daily rain record is the 1.86" that fell in 1991. The daily snow record is the 1.7" that fell back in 1989.
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All historical weather data analytics posted by me is specifically for the climate of Chester County PA.  We continually analyze the actual raw non-adjusted NWS certified Coop observed climate data for Chester County.  There have been no post observation adjustments to any of the detailed analytics. All data is sourced from trained NWS observers and spotters. The life blood of science is to challenge what is thought to be known. The concept that climate change etc. is somehow “settled science” describes a religion - a belief system that does not welcome challenges. We should all continue to challenge science!    Snow Totals 2023/24 = 24.5" -  11/28 (0.3") / 12/7 (0.8") / 12/11 (0.8") / 1/6 (2.0") / 1/16 (2.8") / 1/19 (4.5") / 2/13 (10.5") / 2/17 (2.8")

Average Chester County PA Snow at elevations over 660 FT ASL (1983-Present) = 35.9" Snow totals by season: 2022/23 (2.7") /2021/22 (20.5")  2020/21 snow  (52.2") /  2019/20 snow (5.8" )/ 2018/19 snow (35.1" )/ 2017/18 snow (58.5") / 2016/17 snow (24.0")/ 2015/16 snow (40.8")/ 2014/15 snow = (55.3") /2013/14 snow (80.0").

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2 hours ago, tStacsh said:

Lot's of systems, just not much cold air.  Hopefully the pattern continues into December and turns these rainers into snowstorms.  

In a Nina, it's all about the amount/timing of cold air.

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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2 hours ago, jaster220 said:

In a Nina, it's all about the amount/timing of cold air.

Yep, lot's of storms out there, but they all look like hard cutters right now.  Need good timing this early winter.  Might need to get closer to the Holidays before we get some consistent winter conditions.  I'm predicting a big dog this year because I never predict big dogs.  So now that I do it will come true.  Around the New Year.  

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I'd watch that end of the month system for a potential severe thunderstorm threat... assuming it evolves roughly as current models depict.  How far north a severe threat would get is debatable as moisture/instability are usually hard to come by at this time of year with northward extent, but it's something to keep an eye on.  If we have a rapidly deepening system, then it will probably find a way to produce some severe wx (at least damaging winds) even where CAPE is meager.

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7 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

I'd watch that end of the month system for a potential severe thunderstorm threat... assuming it evolves roughly as current models depict.  How far north a severe threat would get is debatable as moisture/instability are usually hard to come by at this time of year with northward extent, but it's something to keep an eye on.  If we have a rapidly deepening system, then it will probably find a way to produce some severe wx (at least damaging winds) even where CAPE is meager.

Completely agree and we are getting to the 7 day range where the models suck just a little bit less.  The ICON tonight is really digging this storm south with the blocking setting up. I think the other models will eventually do the same.  I would love to see Nebraska get some moisture and a big snow.

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10 minutes ago, Clinton said:

Completely agree and we are getting to the 7 day range where the models suck just a little bit less.  The ICON tonight is really digging this storm south with the blocking setting up. I think the other models will eventually do the same.  I would love to see Nebraska get some moisture and a big snow.

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Yeah they need it.  I can't believe how much of the country is in drought.

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