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December 2016 Observations and Model Discussion for the Pacific Northwest


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What a day! Officially got 4" at my location here in Gresham at about 500 feet. Was busy sledding and enjoying the snow all afternoon and evening. I'm happy and very satisfied with what I got and it won't melt anytime soon. This is what it's all about!

I am super happy for you!!! :)

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Really good analogs to the GFS at day 11. A few early January ones thrown in also. Really looks promising.

Regardless of what has been said about the warning shot deal.....you called it. I mean it is what it is. So far so good. Each event thus far has been successively better than the last it seems. Just saying....

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Regardless of what has been said about the warning shot deal.....you called it. I mean it is what it is. So far so good. Each event thus far has been successively better than the last it seems. Just saying....

Nope was far worse for wa.

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What a day! Officially got 4" at my location here in Gresham at about 500 feet. Was busy sledding and enjoying the snow all afternoon and evening. I'm happy and very satisfied with what I got and it won't melt anytime soon. This is what it's all about!

 

Definitely jealous but good for you. Sounds like a wonderful evening.

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Most of the time it just comes down to going too fast for the conditions, or attempting a road/hill your vehicle is not equipped to handle.

 

Definitely.  And around here it just isn't built into people's everyday bubble of contingencies.  That goes for public infrastructure too.  2008 showed very effectively just how useless the snow removal efforts in the Portland/Vancouver area are when we see something beyond a short-term event.  

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Really good analogs to the GFS at day 11. A few early January ones thrown in also. Really looks promising.

I am kind of liking that 2nd week of January for something big

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
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Snow has begun in Olympia.  Still a steady plume of moisture streaming in.

Death To Warm Anomalies!

 

Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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I am kind of liking that 2nd week of January for something big

 

It will be interesting to see when it peaks.  It might slowly build up to a crescendo.  

Death To Warm Anomalies!

 

Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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Um what major US city is hilly compared to Seattle and Portland that gets snow? I've lived back east, and I can't name a major city with hills. All this hype about Portland and Seattle drivers is mostly just that.

 

Hype.

 

Edit: Chicago, NYC, Minneapolis, Boston, Iowa City, Detroit. Etc. etc... those are all flat cities.

 

Not only is Seattle hilly, you have to cross multiple bridges just to get into the city itself. Most of the population of Seattle lives on the surrounding hills.

 

 

There's no perfect storm that makes driving in SEA/PDX snow any more difficult than anywhere else, save maybe a lack of winter infrastructure. Every city has its quirks. We're surrounded by water, bridges, hills, and Parrs Ridge cuts through the area which is a quick 800ft elevation change. Gotta live with it.

 

I've driven through 32 degree paste jobs and 15 degree pixie dust, and I'all say this: they both suck to drive in, and both involve melted, slushy snow on the pavement in certain circumstances. Again, it sucks, but it is what it is.

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I would rather take a 2-4 inch event that sticks around for several days then a foot of snow that transitions to 45 degree rain the next day.  Glad PDX and surrounding areas scored this time.  Hopefully, the Puget Sound gets in on the action next time.

 

We will undoubtedly have events where Seattle scores and they don't also.

Death To Warm Anomalies!

 

Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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Definitely. And around here it just isn't built into people's everyday bubble of contingencies. That goes for public infrastructure too. 2008 showed very effectively just how useless the snow removal efforts in the Portland/Vancouver area are when we see something beyond a short-term event.

By the second week of snow and cold during that event the roads up here in Snohomish Co were like driving on a frozen cow pasture...the suspension on my Tahoe that I had at the time got a major work out...along with my kidneys. You would hit ruts so big it would just pop you into the opposite lane...kept the blood pumping for sure!

Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! 

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It will be interesting to see when it peaks. It might slowly build up to a crescendo.

Idk that it will. I could see variations of what we be seen and maybe a couple big shots

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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Definitely.  And around here it just isn't built into people's everyday bubble of contingencies.  That goes for public infrastructure too.  2008 showed very effectively just how useless the snow removal efforts in the Portland/Vancouver area are when we see something beyond a short-term event.  

 

It really is pretty incredible. I just came back from Bozeman last night and it snowed about 6" the first day we were there and there was zero hesitation and business as usual. Roads were completely snow packed for the entirety that we were there with zero issues. Obviously much flatter there but the plowing/sanding equipment there is quite remarkable for such a small city compared to here.

Cold Season 2023/24:

Total snowfall: 26"

Highest daily snowfall: 5"

Deepest snow depth: 12"

Coldest daily high: -20ºF

Coldest daily low: -42ºF

Number of subzero days: 5

Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: 

https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history

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Yeah, I walked all over Boston last summer. Definitely not a hilly city compared to Seattle or even Portland.

Downtown Boston proper isn't hilly at all, but drive a few miles N/NW and it's quite hilly. There are many cities with very hilly downtowns like Charleston WV, Pittsburgh PA, New Haven CT, Bangor ME, etc. It's commonplace everywhere, not unique to Portland or Seattle.

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Downtown Boston proper isn't hilly at all, but drive a few miles N/NW and it's quite hilly. There are many cities with very hilly downtowns like Charleston WV, Pittsburgh PA, New Haven CT, Bangor ME, etc. It's commonplace everywhere, not unique to Portland or Seattle.

 

Pittsburgh is the only one close to as a big a city as Seattle or Portland. And even Pittsburgh is not as hilly downtown as Seattle is.

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Since we're on the topic. A few pics of me attempting navigate my way home through 8" of clam chowder..in a tiny Prius.

 

Weeeeeee!!

 

http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww243/phillywillie/Mobile%20Uploads/74B56F2B-B67E-4E9D-8BCB-3F123B881BD5_zpsu76wacsy.jpg

 

http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww243/phillywillie/Mobile%20Uploads/19101549-A820-4CFB-B28F-60728B55E1A7_zpsb5ylthur.png

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Most of the places you mentioned are small cities by east coast standards. You prove my point.

You don't really have a point.

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GFS ensembles show basically persistence of the same pattern we've had. Troughing, shortwave ridging, warm front, cold front, troughing, rinse repeat. Shows a pretty pronounced signal for troughing 22nd-26th with the mean now down near -5C at this point looks fairly progressive, then the signal looks like it is re-emerging a bit toward new years after a brief warm up. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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Pittsburgh is the only one close to as a big a city as Seattle or Portland. And even Pittsburgh is not as hilly downtown as Seattle is.

Looking at google earth right now..not seeing much of a basis for this. Both are similarly hilly.

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My point was that most of the eastern cities are flat.

Yeah, I don't think so. You guys can't drive in the snow..no shame in admitting it. :lol:

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Looking at google earth right now..not seeing much of a basis for this. Both are similarly hilly.

DUDE you are talking out your a**... the whole city of Seattle is built on a hill there is no way to get around other than on rather steep hills. It is much like San Francisco but even worse with steeper terrain.

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