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Nice inversion coming while I'm gone. Arctic air coming after Christmas!

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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2 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

And i believe this area is still capable of something like that. It honestly would be to deadly to hope something like that happens. The local economy would really take a hit.

Absolutely... if it happened before then it will happen again.  

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3 minutes ago, Snownerd3000 said:

Can someone fix the GFS? After the 16th we see ridging and all the fun shuts down 

It's gotta happen. We can stay chilly at the surface.

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
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1 minute ago, TT-SEA said:

Absolutely... if it happened before then it will happen again.  

It would appear we are entering a new era of extreme weather. We have had a bunch of snow the last 5 years. Strange that we don't get wind storms like we used to imo.

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13 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

Something like 1880 with today's population would be absolute insanity. The thought of a widespread 3-5ft on the ground is nutty.

The weather side of me wants that so bad, but I know it would have catastrophic effects if it happened again.

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3 minutes ago, Olive1010 said:

Snow isn't very rare in the western Washington areas and Willamette valley during winter. Depends if La nina or el nino

What about a La Niño

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4 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

It would appear we are entering a new era of extreme weather. We have had a bunch of snow the last 5 years. Strange that we don't get wind storms like we used to imo.

I'm super interested to see some long term data about how climate change will affect snow in the Puget Sound region... obviously I'm hoping it'll lead to more but I have no idea if that's true.

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1 minute ago, gusky said:

I'm super interested to see some long term data about how climate change will affect snow in the Puget Sound region... obviously I'm hoping it'll lead to more but I have no idea if that's true.

Further than that, I wonder how it will affect the way we prepare our roads, build our structures, and generally approach winter in general. I'm in my mid-30s and ever since childhood snow was an anomaly, because I always lived closer to Seattle. When it happened, it was amazing, but it didn't always happen so you never really prepared for it. 

Now that I live in Kitsap and we've had significant snow events every year since we've moved here, it definitely changes the way I see cold weather. It's hard to imagine a Seattle that *expects* significant snow every year and prepares accordingly, but I'm sure that shift would happen over time. 

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1 minute ago, WildrootParable said:

Further than that, I wonder how it will affect the way we prepare our roads, build our structures, and generally approach winter in general. I'm in my mid-30s and ever since childhood snow was an anomaly, because I always lived closer to Seattle. When it happened, it was amazing, but it didn't always happen so you never really prepared for it. 

Now that I live in Kitsap and we've had significant snow events every year since we've moved here, it definitely changes the way I see cold weather. It's hard to imagine a Seattle that *expects* significant snow every year and prepares accordingly, but I'm sure that shift would happen over time. 

I would not mind a scenario in which we get more snow each year. It does seem like we've had solid snowstorms most years recently, but that could also just be chance. Crossing my fingers it's a small positive that climate change gives us (obviously that's no reason to not worry about CC)!

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Nice model trends today after the horrible 6z GFS.

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Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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36 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

Something like 1880 with today's population would be absolute insanity. The thought of a widespread 3-5ft on the ground is nutty.

Actually more like 4 to 6 feet.

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Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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48 minutes ago, joelgombiner said:

Big expansion in western snow cover over the last month. First image is Nov 5 and second is Dec 5 (today). 

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Shocking lack of snow east of the Rockies.

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Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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30 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

It would appear we are entering a new era of extreme weather. We have had a bunch of snow the last 5 years. Strange that we don't get wind storms like we used to imo.

We experienced crazy snow in North Bend on 2/11/19... it was bad enough to trap many people in their homes for a couple days and the national guard had to be called in.    But it was just North Bend so resources could easily be pulled in to help.  If it was the entire Seattle area and beyond then we would have some real major issues and it would not be fun.     I guess 1996 to the north of Seattle is another example.    And probably 1950 and 1969.   But 1880 was beyond insane.

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Talking about Jan 1880....for those of you who know where Yacolt is they had 10 feet of snow on the ground at one point that month.  Port Townsend right at sea level had 6 feet and Seattle at sea level had 4.5 feet.  The local newspaper made reference to greater depths on the hills on the east side of the city.  Can't even imagine what traditionally snowier places might have had.

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Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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2 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

Talking about Jan 1880....for those of you who know where Yacolt they had 10 feet of snow on the ground at one point that month.  Port Townsend right at sea level had 6 feet and Seattle at sea level had 4.5 feet.  The local newspaper made reference to greater depths on the hills on the east side of the city.  Can't even imagine what traditionally snowier places might have had.

Surprised Yacolt had so much snow but Portland just a bit to the south didn't have nearly as much.

I wonder what places near the Olympics had with that one. Must have been crazy

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2 minutes ago, Doinko said:

Surprised Yacolt had so much snow but Portland just a bit to the south didn't have nearly as much.

I wonder what places near the Olympics had with that one. Must have been crazy

Does anyone have a snow map of 1880?  Or is this just a list of places?  Be interested to see that as well.

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4 minutes ago, Doinko said:

Surprised Yacolt had so much snow but Portland just a bit to the south didn't have nearly as much.

I wonder what places near the Olympics had with that one. Must have been crazy

Isn't Yacolt around 800' though? 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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So, I kinda checked out because it was getting too depressing for my neck of the woods…were we supposed to get snow up here today?  Just went for a walk with the dog and was surprised by flurries.

 

We have had a low thick cloud deck all afternoon but when I checked radar earlier there was nothing…..

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3 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Someone earlier mentioned December 1996…That was quite the doozy up here. Seattle north mainly but south of there had major ice. Anyway, first off you had the element of surprise. We had a little snow on the 23rd I think it was but the forecast didn’t call for much the rest of the week. That changed in a huge way Christmas evening…I was at the family lake house, my grandparents lived there at that time and we were having Christmas dinner. My grandpa had the radio on in the background and they cut in to say the forecast had a big change and that there was a Winter Storm Watch issued for most of western Washington. That feeling of sudden excitement is something I will never forget. When I got home I turned on the weather channel and watched every “On the 8’s” with the WINTER STORM WATCH text…I was vibrating with excitement! Sure enough it snowed about a foot later the next day and into the 27th…and got cold! Then another Winter Storm Watch was issued for ALL of Washington State…Not sure if I have seen that happen since then. Anyway I started getting really nervous as the temp spiked to about 36 degrees mid day on the 28th…Then the clouds increased and the temp started plummeting! By the time the snow started that evening we were down to 14 degrees…It was AMAZING! Then a Blizzard warning was issued for my area and north, super heavy snow and wind all night! Lost power in the early morning hours and we had a massive amount of snow by daybreak of the 29th. Then it started mixing with rain around 9am and completely turned over by 10am. My grandparents called my dad saying their roof was starting to leak, the local news was starting to go nuts with all of the roof collapses in the area so we raced over to the lake house (the front of my dads blazer was plowing snow it was so deep) and started shoveling like crazy since it was a flat roof at the time. (We put a regular pitched roof on it the spring of 1997 because of that storm) 

It was complete madness and super fun at the same time! This pic was taken after it had started raining so the snow had compacted some. That storm caused massive damage region wide. 

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We had a couple hours of rain/snow mix!

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4 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Someone earlier mentioned December 1996…That was quite the doozy up here. Seattle north mainly but south of there had major ice. Anyway, first off you had the element of surprise. We had a little snow on the 23rd I think it was but the forecast didn’t call for much the rest of the week. That changed in a huge way Christmas evening…I was at the family lake house, my grandparents lived there at that time and we were having Christmas dinner. My grandpa had the radio on in the background and they cut in to say the forecast had a big change and that there was a Winter Storm Watch issued for most of western Washington. That feeling of sudden excitement is something I will never forget. When I got home I turned on the weather channel and watched every “On the 8’s” with the WINTER STORM WATCH text…I was vibrating with excitement! Sure enough it snowed about a foot later the next day and into the 27th…and got cold! Then another Winter Storm Watch was issued for ALL of Washington State…Not sure if I have seen that happen since then. Anyway I started getting really nervous as the temp spiked to about 36 degrees mid day on the 28th…Then the clouds increased and the temp started plummeting! By the time the snow started that evening we were down to 14 degrees…It was AMAZING! Then a Blizzard warning was issued for my area and north, super heavy snow and wind all night! Lost power in the early morning hours and we had a massive amount of snow by daybreak of the 29th. Then it started mixing with rain around 9am and completely turned over by 10am. My grandparents called my dad saying their roof was starting to leak, the local news was starting to go nuts with all of the roof collapses in the area so we raced over to the lake house (the front of my dads blazer was plowing snow it was so deep) and started shoveling like crazy since it was a flat roof at the time. (We put a regular pitched roof on it the spring of 1997 because of that storm) 

It was complete madness and super fun at the same time! This pic was taken after it had started raining so the snow had compacted some. That storm caused massive damage region wide. 

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Bellingham and the surrounding area had snow beginning the evening of the 21st.  After Christmas the original forecast was for rain, but suddenly they changed the forecast to all snow.

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6 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Someone earlier mentioned December 1996…That was quite the doozy up here. Seattle north mainly but south of there had major ice. Anyway, first off you had the element of surprise. We had a little snow on the 23rd I think it was but the forecast didn’t call for much the rest of the week. That changed in a huge way Christmas evening…I was at the family lake house, my grandparents lived there at that time and we were having Christmas dinner. My grandpa had the radio on in the background and they cut in to say the forecast had a big change and that there was a Winter Storm Watch issued for most of western Washington. That feeling of sudden excitement is something I will never forget. When I got home I turned on the weather channel and watched every “On the 8’s” with the WINTER STORM WATCH text…I was vibrating with excitement! Sure enough it snowed about a foot later the next day and into the 27th…and got cold! Then another Winter Storm Watch was issued for ALL of Washington State…Not sure if I have seen that happen since then. Anyway I started getting really nervous as the temp spiked to about 36 degrees mid day on the 28th…Then the clouds increased and the temp started plummeting! By the time the snow started that evening we were down to 14 degrees…It was AMAZING! Then a Blizzard warning was issued for my area and north, super heavy snow and wind all night! Lost power in the early morning hours and we had a massive amount of snow by daybreak of the 29th. Then it started mixing with rain around 9am and completely turned over by 10am. My grandparents called my dad saying their roof was starting to leak, the local news was starting to go nuts with all of the roof collapses in the area so we raced over to the lake house (the front of my dads blazer was plowing snow it was so deep) and started shoveling like crazy since it was a flat roof at the time. (We put a regular pitched roof on it the spring of 1997 because of that storm) 

It was complete madness and super fun at the same time! This pic was taken after it had started raining so the snow had compacted some. That storm caused massive damage region wide. 

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I was eight years old, and I remember that storm SO well because our circular patio table looked like an angel food cake! Pretty sure when we measured it was around 22-24 inches by the time the storm was done, in our suburb north of Seattle. Pure magic. 

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53 minutes ago, gusky said:

I'm super interested to see some long term data about how climate change will affect snow in the Puget Sound region... obviously I'm hoping it'll lead to more but I have no idea if that's true.

Historical data seems to be dominated by decadal cycles, and forward-looking climate models don't agree on projected snowfall changes in my experience. 

Think about the variability in GFS 384 hour snowfall maps from day to day and then extrapolate to 384,000 hours... 

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17 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Someone earlier mentioned December 1996…That was quite the doozy up here. Seattle north mainly but south of there had major ice. Anyway, first off you had the element of surprise. We had a little snow on the 23rd I think it was but the forecast didn’t call for much the rest of the week. That changed in a huge way Christmas evening…I was at the family lake house, my grandparents lived there at that time and we were having Christmas dinner. My grandpa had the radio on in the background and they cut in to say the forecast had a big change and that there was a Winter Storm Watch issued for most of western Washington. That feeling of sudden excitement is something I will never forget. When I got home I turned on the weather channel and watched every “On the 8’s” with the WINTER STORM WATCH text…I was vibrating with excitement! Sure enough it snowed about a foot later the next day and into the 27th…and got cold! Then another Winter Storm Watch was issued for ALL of Washington State…Not sure if I have seen that happen since then. Anyway I started getting really nervous as the temp spiked to about 36 degrees mid day on the 28th…Then the clouds increased and the temp started plummeting! By the time the snow started that evening we were down to 14 degrees…It was AMAZING! Then a Blizzard warning was issued for my area and north, super heavy snow and wind all night! Lost power in the early morning hours and we had a massive amount of snow by daybreak of the 29th. Then it started mixing with rain around 9am and completely turned over by 10am. My grandparents called my dad saying their roof was starting to leak, the local news was starting to go nuts with all of the roof collapses in the area so we raced over to the lake house (the front of my dads blazer was plowing snow it was so deep) and started shoveling like crazy since it was a flat roof at the time. (We put a regular pitched roof on it the spring of 1997 because of that storm) 

It was complete madness and super fun at the same time! This pic was taken after it had started raining so the snow had compacted some. That storm caused massive damage region wide. 

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I remember that forecast change as well. We lived in Renton at the time. We got several inches of snow, a legit ice storm that knocked power out for two days, another ten inches of snow, and then the deluge that caused all the mayhem. Definitely one of the most memorable weather events of my lifetime. 

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