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1 minute ago, Ferndale_man said:

Me too.  The pattern is weird this year.  Although we had a dusting of snow last night which was a surprise. So who knows. 

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Very weird. Almost as if we live in Seattle, WA. I noticed the light dusting too. Spotty on grassy surfaces and etc here as well, but this should be more like the first snows that we typically get in Nov, or even sometimes in October. For January standards, getting these dustings and coatings, simply says that this pattern is definitely screwed up.

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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20 minutes ago, Niko said:

Very weird. Almost as if we live in Seattle, WA. I noticed the light dusting too. Spotty on grassy surfaces and etc here as well, but this should be more like the first snows that we typically get in Nov, or even sometimes in October. For January standards, getting these dustings and coatings, simply says that this pattern is definitely screwed up.

Yeah this is what Seattle gets in January if they are lucky although if you live above 1000 ft it can be a different world.  Dusting at Sea level, go up 1000 ft in elevation and it’s 4to 5 inches or more.  If it wasn’t for the elevation I would be flat out rain or a mix.  Sometimes it doesn’t snow and they can go a year or two without any measurable snow .  Here’s hoping the pattern flips soon. !  

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Holy crap! I just saw the sun peek from that heavy cloud deck. Annnnnd I saw some blue sky as well. Seriously, that felt so good to my system. Vitamin D baby!

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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1 hour ago, Niko said:

NOAA:

The next chance for
widespread precipitation will be centered late Thursday into Friday
once a midweek Pacific wave comes onshore and aids in the development
of low pressure. Plenty of uncertainties still exist at this time
regarding the longwave pattern (progressive vs. possible cut-off low)
and thermal profile over SE MI, which will have implications on
p-types.

 

Lets see how this plays out, but if I were to guess, w/ the way this winter has been going, I'd go w/ a rainstorm instead of snow. I.e., rain, heavy at times on Thursday and then Friday rain tapering off to a few snowshowers as colder air filters in, as the low moves away in a SE direction w/ no accumulations expected, perhaps a coating, if that. Later that evening, skies remain mostly cloudy and cold w/ lows in the 20s, w/ patches of ice forming, due to flooding.

This will be the storm for S MI, watch!!!!

Yeah, rainstorm. Well, we survived week 1 of boredom winter. This brown and grey crap here since I moved is really sad. We did get a couple/few sunny days w/snow OTG days post-storm last winter like shown by @hawkstwelve. Extreme rarity the past 2 or 3 winters for me personally tho. 

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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1 hour ago, hawkstwelve said:

We are within the top ten days for largest snow depth at FSD.

 

It's awesome when depths get like that. Over here 2013-14 was the winter for deep snow like that and it lasted all winter. Max depths by month for KBTL: Dec 8" Jan 16" Feb 18" Mar 22"

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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1 hour ago, weatherfan2012 said:

Larry Cosgrove is getting attack on by alot of people because he went for a cold stormy winter.

If you recall, ALL the outlooks had 11-12 delivering an historically harsh winter with tons of storms and snow. This is so deja-vu

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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Woah! Overnight puddle ice Watch this week - look at those sub-freezing lows

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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12Z GFS got rid of the snowstorm just like the Euro.

Everyone’s favorite model is always whichever one is good for them. GFS was RAILED ON here for the last storm, and has been for a long time, but in the end could be considered as doing just as well as the Euro in that they were both wrong 4-5 days out by quite a bit.

Meanwhile nice week here coming up!

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GFS with this current system ( I use that term lightly) in MO has been total trash and the off in la la land all week. Here is it's run from 00Z Thurs at only HR 78--

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10 minutes ago, Clinton said:

Many on here are waiting for Queen Euro to produce another blizzard for Omaha, while ignoring the consistent GFS which continues to lay down a good snow for same people complaining about getting no snow.

IF we're going to get a more favorable background for winter storms/wx it appears that would come in the final 1/3 of January and not likely b4. This edition of the LRC cut-off Low might be more of a rain-maker like last time around. With a similar track around KTOL I would not rule out NMI scoring something where avg temps are just enough lower. 

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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The thing about the GFS is it's 18Z and 06Z runs are complete joke past 72-96 hours--- a reason why not to trust the snow event that current 18Z is showing for S.IA and points E.  It will revert back to S and rain for most.

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2 hours ago, jaster220 said:

It's awesome when depths get like that. Over here 2013-14 was the winter for deep snow like that and it lasted all winter. Max depths by month for KBTL: Dec 8" Jan 16" Feb 18" Mar 22"

In the 21 years we’ve had our place in northern lower MI the deepest snow depths have almost always been the first week of March. We “only” average around 90” per season, we’re about 10 miles south of Grayling or around 25 miles due south of the NWS office out of Gaylord. Grayling’s average is around 110” and Gaylord’s average is around 140” I believe and this whole area usually has peak depths in early March. Seeing Sioux Falls peak depths look to happen in early to mid February kinda surprised me for some reason, I would have thought most places along the 45th Parallel would have peak depths around the same time for some reason. 

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Good Ol' Winter 2013-14...Worst Winter ever recorded in SEMI ........

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2014---North America massive arctic outbreak. I remember when Detroit was  at -14F a couple of mornings w/ a wcf in the -20s and -30s, along w/ deep snow. Yikes. Now, we can only dream about this.

Check out Chicago: In the Deep Freeze!!!

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/2e63a76b71b2990f49f6856b0032a4b1f595bfac/0_230_4000_2399/master/4000.jpg?width=1200&height=1200&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&s=675422835686c43109a9b101994b24bd

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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The last two days the temp really under-performed.  The GFS and Euro both had low 30s Fri/Sat.  The NWS and locals also had upper 20s to low 30s.  The actual high in Cedar Rapids was 20º both days.

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season snowfall: 34.8"

'22-23: 30.2"      '21-22: 27.1"      '20-21: 52.5"      '19-20: 36.2"      '18-19: 50.2"      '17-18: 39.5"

Average snowfall: ~30"

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On 1/7/2023 at 9:35 AM, Thunder98 said:

Its been Niño like in California with the parade of powerful storms for the past 2 weeks.

I hope it bodes well for the Southern Midwest!!    I don’t want California to flood or deal with mudslides, but we need rain.  

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2018 Rainfall - 62.65" High Temp. - 110.03* Low Temp. - 8.4*

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Good morning! Just to show how warm the first week of January 2023 has been, the overnight low here in my yard so far for today is 29 and that is the coldest it has been here since December 28th.  The official H/L at Grand Rapids yesterday was 32/29 there was a trace of snow fall and at GRR there was a reported 1” of snow on the ground. Note there was no snow on the ground in my area. GRR reported no sunshine but the sun did come out here for a very short time. For today the average H/L is 31/20 the record high of 59 was set in 1965 and the record low of -12 was set in 1988. The record snow fall of 5.2” was set in 2015.  There sill is no really cold in the foreseeable future. With only hints of some cold maybe near the end of January.  

The most snow reported on the ground in Lower Michigan is up towards the tip where there is around 3 to 4 inches. However in the UP the Sault and Marquette have 22” and Munising has 25” so it is a different story once one gets north of the bridge. But even in the UP January has been much warmer than average.

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The ground is white here this morning but barely a flake of snow fell yesterday.  A rather narrow band of sleet formed and trained over the same area most of the afternoon.  About 1/2 inch of sleet on the ground here but some reports of an 1 1/2 inches of sleet NE of Warrensburg.  Roads are still a mess this morning.

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Getting a few reports of some slide offs in Johnson County, Mo. near Warrensburg. There is a band of heavy sleet/snow that accumulated quickly on roadways. This band may affect areas of Johnson, Pettis, Cooper, Howard, Saline, Lafayette, Chariton, Carroll and Randolph counties as it moves NE this evening. Use caution if travelling in these areas as roadways may be or may quickly become slick.

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Increasing clouds today with some models still showing our "largest" snow event of the year starting after midnight tonight and wrapping up by the Monday morning rush. If there really is any accumulation at all it is most likely on grassy and non-paved surfaces above 550ft across the County. Temperatures will for the most part remain above freezing while any snow is falling with maybe the exception of the highest spots in Western Chester County. A mainly dry and slightly above normal temperature week looks likely with a large mainly rain event looking likely by Thursday night with it possibly starting as snow.
The record high for today is 67 degrees set in 1998. The record low is 5 below zero from 1981. Daily rain mark is the 1.81" from 1978. Our daily snow record was day 2 of the Blizzard of 1996....when a final 6.1" fell bringing our final total to 28.9" of snow with 30" on the ground at storms end.
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Average Chester County PA Snow at elevations over 660 FT ASL (1983-Present) = 35.9" Snow totals by season: 2022/23 (2.7") /2021/22 (20.5")  2020/21 snow  (52.2") /  2019/20 snow (5.8" )/ 2018/19 snow (35.1" )/ 2017/18 snow (58.5") / 2016/17 snow (24.0")/ 2015/16 snow (40.8")/ 2014/15 snow = (55.3") /2013/14 snow (80.0").

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18 hours ago, Up_north_MI said:

In the 21 years we’ve had our place in northern lower MI the deepest snow depths have almost always been the first week of March. We “only” average around 90” per season, we’re about 10 miles south of Grayling or around 25 miles due south of the NWS office out of Gaylord. Grayling’s average is around 110” and Gaylord’s average is around 140” I believe and this whole area usually has peak depths in early March. Seeing Sioux Falls peak depths look to happen in early to mid February kinda surprised me for some reason, I would have thought most places along the 45th Parallel would have peak depths around the same time for some reason. 

Over the course of decades, the N Plains start accumulating snowfall earlier than us here in the cozy Mitt. That leads to the (usually, not necessarily lately) mid-winter peak out there as the seasonal jet takes more and more of a SE shift as the season goes along shifting the storm track further east.

On a micro scale, that is even obvious between my former locale just three counties west (KRMY) and my current area (KDTW). Marshall out-snows Detroit in both Dec and Jan due to LES hits off of Lake Michigan. Then Detroit passes Marshall beginning in Feb for the balance of snow months (FMA) as the LES turn off and the mean storm track continues its migration eastward. Again, this is all based on long-term averages and any individual season may or may not behave in this manner. 

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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18 hours ago, Niko said:

Good Ol' Winter 2013-14...Worst Winter ever recorded in SEMI ........

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/DW7ABJ/detroit-michigan-usa-a-sign-outside-allemons-landscape-center-announces-DW7ABJ.jpg

https://media.istockphoto.com/id/1126824104/photo/detroit-skyline-with-frozen-river.jpg?s=612x612&w=0&k=20&c=OvMNhTceTxNM0XPuHRcQR4fNeU2xLPvOHjx5dyESocU=

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2014---North America massive arctic outbreak. I remember when Detroit was  at -14F a couple of mornings w/ a wcf in the -20s and -30s, along w/ deep snow. Yikes. Now, we can only dream about this.

Check out Chicago: In the Deep Freeze!!!

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/2e63a76b71b2990f49f6856b0032a4b1f595bfac/0_230_4000_2399/master/4000.jpg?width=1200&height=1200&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&s=675422835686c43109a9b101994b24bd

Nice graphic collection amigo! Hard to imagine DTW and ORD ever looking like that the way it has been lately.

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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If it brings some rain I’m okay with that.  

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2018 Rainfall - 62.65" High Temp. - 110.03* Low Temp. - 8.4*

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6 hours ago, Stacsh said:

Starting to wonder what the record is for least amount of snow for GR in January.

Here is the list of the least snowy January's at GR 1st. 1933--0.8" 2nd 1921--1.2" 3rd 1934--1.4" 4th 1932--3.2" 5th 1944 3.7" 6th 1902--4.0" 7th 2001--4.7" in the winter of 2000/01 it was also a La Nina winter and November 2000 had 23.0" and then December 2000 had 59.2" This winter November had 28.0" and December had 39.6" so we could be in for a very low snow fall total this month.

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2 hours ago, Stacsh said:

Starting to wonder what the record is for least amount of snow for GR in January.  

Most amazing snowless month I am aware of is Feb '98 when Traverse City recorded a big fat 0.0" total for the month. 

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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1 hour ago, westMJim said:

Here is the list of the least snowy January's at GR 1st. 1933--0.8" 2nd 1921--1.2" 3rd 1933--1.4" 4th 1932--3.2" 5th 1944 3.7" 6th 1902--4.0" 7th 2001--4.7" in the winter of 2000/01 it was also a La Nina winter and November 2000 had 23.0" and then December 2000 had 59.2" This winter November had 28.0" and December had 39.6" so we could be in for a very low snow fall total this month.

So, you're saying that January '33 was soooo bad it made the list twice??

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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Key points: 1. Warm Jan was expected per top analogs. 2. Cold pattern returns late month 3. CFS showing what I feared, FMA all cold. It has been wrong before but fits what we've been dealing with recently in these Nina's

WeatherBELL Analytics

(scroll down to the Sat Summary vid)

https://www.weatherbell.com/video/the-saturday-summary-13214944

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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Pssssttttt........ @jaster220..have ya seen the latest Euro for late next week. I know its several days away, but always good to have the Euro on board.

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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3 hours ago, OKwx2k4 said:

So,, watching model progressions, the pattern post 13th is going to be a start of a systematic breakdown of the warm Niña pattern being felt over the south-central US at present.

I think things get winter-wild down here after that. 

Good to see back to back runs of the GFS bringing down the artic air the 3rd week of the month.  Real glad it will be in place for the big dog on the 31st.

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7 minutes ago, jaster220 said:

Key points: 1. Warm Jan was expected per top analogs. 2. Cold pattern returns late month 3. CFS showing what I feared, FMA all cold. It has been wrong before but fits what we've been dealing with recently in these Nina's

WeatherBELL Analytics

(scroll down to the Sat Summary vid)

https://www.weatherbell.com/video/the-saturday-summary-13214944

Bastardi was showing that.  KC used to get big snows in March and April but that seems to be a thing of the past.  Come mid March I'm ready for Spring.  I hope we make the most of the last 1/3 of this month and February. 

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