SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Record low at Silver Falls on this date is 6 set back in 1955. I don't think that was actually a major cold snap, but there was a decent snowfall a couple days earlier so it may have been more of a radiational cooling event. Record snowfall for the date was 4" back in 1951. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 I do not believe the 1968 airmass set any record lows at Silver Falls. It was more of a low level cold airmass, highs in Salem and Silverton were in the mid-teens, but around 30 up here. Silverton was 15/7 on the 12/31/68. All-time coldest max (Records 1962-present). Here are their 5 coldest highs. 15 - 12/31/6817 - 12/21/9017 - 12/22/9017 - 02/04/8918 - 12/23/90 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 12-30-1927 Arctic air poured into the Portland area. Downtown max/min pairs were: 29th: 41/2730th: 27/1931st: 19/141st: 24/152nd: 30/22 A major winter storm affected the I-5 corridor. Downtown Portland received at least 6" of snow (max depth on Jan. 2nd, actual snowfall amounts missing), along with a ton of freezing rain. Melted precip totaled 0.99" on the 31st and 1.40" on the 1st, with temperatures well below freezing. Chewelah, WA dropped to -33 on the 31st, a monthly record low. Extreme cold affected Montana as well. Trident hit -55 on the 31st, an all-time record low and just 4 degrees from the CONUS record low for the month of December. Adel hit a monthly record of -46 and Missoula fell to -25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 12-30-1927 Arctic air poured into the Portland area. Downtown max/min pairs were: 29th: 41/2730th: 27/1931st: 19/141st: 24/152nd: 30/22 A major winter storm affected the I-5 corridor. Downtown Portland received at least 6" of snow (max depth on Jan. 2nd, actual snowfall amounts missing), along with a ton of freezing rain. Melted precip totaled 0.99" on the 31st and 1.40" on the 1st, with temperatures well below freezing. Chewelah, WA dropped to -33 on the 31st, a monthly record low. Extreme cold affected Montana as well. Trident hit -55 on the 31st, an all-time record low and just 4 degrees from the CONUS record low for the month of December. Adel hit a monthly record of -46 and Missoula fell to -25. Good event. Even SLE had 3 consecutive sub-freezing highs and a 27/17 on the 31st. 4.5" of snow at SLE it looks like. That 19/14 is super impressive. We sure used to have some nice winters/events. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Good event. Even SLE had 3 consecutive sub-freezing highs and a 27/17 on the 31st. 4.5" of snow at SLE it looks like. That 19/14 is super impressive. We sure used to have some nice winters/events. We sure did. An event like Dec 1927 gets lost in the shuffle when looking back at that era, but it would have produced the coldest day of the 21st century today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 We sure did. An event like Dec 1927 gets lost in the shuffle when looking back at that era, but it would have produced the coldest day of the 21st century today.Just the WPAC forcing acting up. Should reverse any year now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 We sure did. An event like Dec 1927 gets lost in the shuffle when looking back at that era, but it would have produced the coldest day of the 21st century today. Looks like a bit of a early 20th century version of January 2004. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Looks like a bit of a early 20th century version of January 2004. I was actually thinking the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 It'd be nice to see him forecast a 1934 style blowtorch for us.I did in 2015. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 I did in 2015. 2015-16? I remember you getting pretty excited for us in early January 2015. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 2015-16? I remember you getting pretty excited for us in early January 2015.I meant summer 2015. August/September of this year, too! Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 I meant summer 2015. August/September of this year, too! After you had predicted a cooler than normal summer in May. I don't want to argue it, I know you'll deny it vehemently and try to dance semantics around it until the day you die, but the evidence remains. I think you tend to do better with pattern recognition a few weeks out than seasonal forecasts. You've had some great calls, and you've had some busts, but more busts with seasonal forecasts it seems. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 After you had predicted a cooler than normal summer in May. I don't want to argue it, I know you'll deny it vehemently and try to dance semantics around it until the day you die, but the evidence remains. I think you tend to do better with pattern recognition a few weeks out than seasonal forecasts. You've had some great calls, and you've had some busts, but more busts with seasonal forecasts it seems.I think he’s still done much better than you though, overall. We all know that competition with him is the real reason behind this post. You still lose in that regard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 We were in the grips of the 1978 arctic outbreak on this date. Silver Falls had a 27/6 day with 4" of snow. A few days later they would acually set their record monthly min/max for January with a high of 21. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Today in 2003 it was gloomy and cold. The forecast for tomorrow was rain or snow changing to rain late morning. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 I think he’s still done much better than you though, overall. We all know that competition with him is the real reason behind this post. You still lose in that regardComing from an objective source, this opinion would matter. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Coming from an objective source, this opinion would matter.Warm pool burn. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 One year ago today it snowed a little. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 We had snowflakes in the air last New Year's Eve here too. Nothing sticking to pavement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 A year ago this evening it started snowing. I ended up with about 7” total. There was snowcover for the next 3 weeks. 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Impressive numbers from the late Dec 1978/early Jan 1979 cold wave, which was peaking right around this time. All-time record lows included -39 in Baker City and -8 in Olympia. Kalispell hit -37 on 1-1-1979, just missing the all-time record low of -38 from Jan 1950. Subzero readings in the Portland area included -2 in Vancouver, -1 in Battle Ground, and -1 in Forest Grove. Maybell, CO hit -60 which is within 1F of the state record low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Warm pool burn.Feels a little like butt hurt... Jesse lost his shot at objectivity long ago. Now I'm just another number on one lengthy black list. But I'm sure he's done a fair and reasoned evaluation of my LR forecasts vs. Phil's... Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Impressive numbers from the late Dec 1978/early Jan 1979 cold wave, which was peaking right around this time. All-time record lows included -39 in Baker City and -8 in Olympia. Kalispell hit -37 on 1-1-1979, just missing the all-time record low of -38 from Jan 1950. Subzero readings in the Portland area included -2 in Vancouver, -1 in Battle Ground, and -1 in Forest Grove. Maybell, CO hit -60 which is within 1F of the state record low.Such an insane winter for the country as a whole. 1 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 I did NOT expect it to be snowy when I woke up about now in 2004. #thankyoujesus Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 I think he’s still done much better than you though, overall. We all know that competition with him is the real reason behind this post. You still lose in that regardPretty much. We’re into January 2018 and he still can’t let last summer go. It’s his only “victory”. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Pretty much. We’re into January 2018 and he still can’t let last summer go. It’s his only “victory”. If you'd just be honest Phil, there would be no issues. Don't stoop to Jesse's level. I gave an honest assessment based on real events. I'm not perfect either. You can take it in stride, or go down the butt hurt trail. Jesse gave his own heavily biased opinion based on zero actual evidence. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 If you'd just be honest Phil, there would be no issues. Don't stoop to Jesse's level. I gave an honest assessment based on real events. I'm not perfect either. You can take it in stride, or go down the butt hurt trail. Jesse gave his own heavily biased opinion based on zero actual evidence.Good lord. Stop trying to bait me into a flame war. You are only upset about what I said because it was accurate. I watched the last year’s weather and your respective forecasts unfold with my own eyes. I don’t owe you any “evidence” for the obvious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Good lord. Stop trying to bait me into a flame war. You are only upset about what I said because it was accurate. I watched the last year’s weather and your respective forecasts unfold with my own eyes. I don’t owe you any “evidence” for the obvious. You cannot argue that you are objective - it's blatantly obvious that you are not. And you have provided zero evidence. I'm not upset. Those are facts. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 You cannot argue that you are objective - it's blatantly obvious that you are not. And you have provided zero evidence. I'm not upset. Those are facts.Do you think you are objective? If so, provide me evidence. I will be here waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Do you think you are objective? If so, provide me evidence. I will be here waiting. I didn't make any claim. You did. Onus on you. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 I can imagine someone beating Flatty in a foot race and him stamping his feet and not conceding until “evidence” is provided. Some things are just obvious. No evidence needed. Phil has done a much better job despite his more specific approach, which makes it even more impressive. I think just about everyone here but one person would agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 I didn't make any claim. You did. Onus on you.You claimed I am incapable of objectivity. I want evidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 I can imagine someone beating Flatty in a foot race and him stamping his feet and not conceding until “evidence” is provided. Some things are just obvious. No evidence needed. Phil has done a much better job despite his more specific approach, which makes it even more impressive. I think just about everyone here but one person would agree. This is your biased opinion. Provide real evidence, real objective analysis of our forecasts, and your opinion (though still biased) will mean something. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 I can imagine someone beating Flatty in a foot race and him stamping his feet and not conceding until “evidence” is provided. Some things are just obvious. No evidence needed. Phil has done a much better job despite his more specific approach, which makes it even more impressive. I think just about everyone here but one person would agree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 You claimed I am incapable of objectivity. I want evidence. You've demonstrated a consistent beef with me. Complete lack of balance in your responses to me. There's plenty of evidence that you wouldn't give me a positive grade on anything, no matter what. So why would anyone think you are capable of an objective analysis of my forecasts? Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 You've demonstrated a consistent beef with me. Complete lack of balance in your responses to me. There's plenty of evidence that you wouldn't give me a positive grade on anything, no matter what. So why would anyone think you are capable of an objective analysis of my forecasts?Seems pretty subjective... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populumClearly everyone is wrong but you. The height of objectivity! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 This is your biased opinion. Provide real evidence, real objective analysis of our forecasts, and your opinion (though still biased) will mean something.No. Why would I waste energy trying to provide objective evidence refuting this subjective post, considering you don’t believe I am capable of objectivity? It’s a fool’s errand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Thread hijack! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Very nice cold snap around this time in 1951-52. PDX reeled off 6 consecutive highs below freezing from the 31st to the 5th, along with 7.6" of snow that fell from the 3rd-6th. SEA scored a record low on New Years morning with a reading of 10. Sedro Woolley was the big winner in this event. A foot of snow buried the town on the 30th, followed by a low of 4 on the 31st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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