SouthHillFrosty Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Spring weeds are here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairiedog Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 NYC has not had any snow so far if I have my facts right. It's been since 1973 since they've gone this long without. I feel much better now. NYC and PDX are on equal footing this winter for the most part so far. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Desert Mat? Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 28 minutes ago, Phishy Wx said: Iowa is flat AF. just go to MT or maybe Northern New England I would but I was thinking maybe somewhere colder like Missouri, Tennessee, or maybe even Oklahoma. That’s why I was thinking Iowa. Montana and northern New England just seem like they don’t get enough cold and snow for me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: @MossMan Look what we got in the mail today. Did not sign up or pay for anything. Fancy invitation and free tickets from the Seattle Boat Show to the Uncorked wine event and the Sails and Ales beer event. I wonder if buying the new boat last year triggered something in their system and put us on the VIP list? Fools! We can't afford their expensive boats. Summer Dreamin' for sure. Guess me buying a boat that was new in 1994 from a private party did not get me on the same VIP list lol! 1 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 hours ago, AbbyJr said: This is really confusing and perhaps we need to find a new term or manner by which to address the matter. I say this because it makes no sense to suggest a sudden warming in the stratosphere is not a sudden stratospheric warming event. While I'm not disagreeing with the experts or the science, I am questioning how a sudden warming in the stratosphere could not be regarded as a sudden stratospheric warming. Another question would be what exactly causes the full wind reversal? Is it the result of the sudden stratospheric warming or is it something separate that finalizes the event? Now I admit that I don't know much at all about this subject so I can see how people who aren't experts like myself would assume that if the stratosphere warms suddenly, that it's a sudden stratospheric warming. That would be my assumption as well. If the vortex moves far enough off the pole, splits, etc, the mean zonal wind above 60N latitude (circumglobally) becomes easterly instead of westerly. That is what is referred to as a “wind reversal”. A stratospheric warming is ongoing, but it does not meet the criteria for a SSW. What really matters is the dynamical structure of the vortex, not the temperature rise (which is actually a result of the weakening of the vortex, not a cause). 2 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Skagit Weather said: As of yesterday BLI is at 1.33" for the month. Unless something crazy happens this will be their 4th driest January on record behind 1949, 1985, and 1963. However, all of those months will also end up almost 10 degrees colder (or more) for the average temperature than this month. So probably safe to say this will end being one of the most boring (warmest and driest) Januaries in the last century for the North Sound. I tried to quickly come up with a somewhat interesting way to represent this. Of course it's hard to compare precipitation and temperature so I ranked all of the last 75 years of Januaries at BLI. In terms of temperatures the warmest January received #1 (coldest was #75) and in terms of precipitation the driest January received #1 (wettest was #75). Then I summed the rankings together. So the highest possible rating was 150 (an epically cold and wet January) and the lowest possible rating was 2 (a boringly warm and dry January). Then I graphed the years here (removing 1997, 1998, and 2013 which all have bad data at BLI). Additionally the color of the dots corresponds to the average temperature for the month (colder than the 30 year average are blue, warmer are red) and the size of the dots corresponds to the total precipitation that month. It's pretty clear that 2023, 1994, and 1981 are the worst (most boring) years. It's a little hard to decipher the "best" years because Januaries that are quite cold also tend to be dry (and thus don't get much of a bump from their precipitation rankings). Using this metric you might think 1982 was the most interesting January. BLI had 16.4" of snow and 9.3" of rain and an average temperature of 35.1F (5F below today's 30 year average), but I think many would agree the shockingly blue January 1950 lurking off to the left was more "interesting." Edit: added an average temperature key to clarify I would have made y-axis temp, x-axis precip, and labeled each dot with a year. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 hours ago, High Desert Mat? said: I’m so tired of these winters. I’m thinking of moving to Des Moines, IA. Do they average temps lower than Portland or should I move further north? It’s a good compromise if you want frequent severe weather too. Edit: just caught on. lmao 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishy Wx Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 15 minutes ago, High Desert Mat? said: I would but I was thinking maybe somewhere colder like Missouri, Tennessee, or maybe even Oklahoma. That’s why I was thinking Iowa. Montana and northern New England just seem like they don’t get enough cold and snow for me. MT gets tons of snow and balls cold. Maybe the UP of Michigan. get your lake effect on 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishy Wx Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 with that said we recently purchased some land in SW VA not far from the Blue Ridge Parkway near Roanoke. 4 seasons and closer to fam in SC and MD. plan to build over there in about 10-12 ish years when we approach retirement. move over there full time when we retire. VA is a legal weed state now too, the only one in the South, for Recreational and cultivation if you're so inclined. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Coastal Maine actually does bear a striking resemblance to the westside PNW. Especially the farther north you go. The hilly, conifer dominated landscape is almost a clone. I’ve been to both places so I have at least some perspective. 3 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Desert Mat? Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Phil said: It’s a good compromise if you want frequent severe weather too. Edit: just caught on. lmao It’s actually not that bad in central Oregon. Winters have been kind of lame lately, relatively, but we’ve had highs around 10 thus far and it looks like Sunday will be in the teens most of the day. The snow though, it’s been sparse lately. I think I’ve had about 16” so far this winter but it hasn’t stuck around very long. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishy Wx Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Phil said: Coastal Maine actually does bear a striking resemblance to the westside PNW. Especially the farther north you go. The hilly, conifer dominated landscape is almost a clone. I’ve been to both places so I have at least some perspective. loved my time in New England lived 4 years in the Mt Washington Valley near Conway, NH. average near 100" of snow a year. big storms, Noreasta's. had a few storms with 30"+ totals, wasn't too uncommon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, Phishy Wx said: with that said we recently purchased some land in SW VA not far from the Blue Ridge Parkway near Roanoke. 4 seasons and closer to fam in SC and MD. plan to build over there in about 10-12 ish years when we approach retirement. move over there full time when we retire. VA is a legal weed state now too, the only one in the South, for Recreational and cultivation with you're so inclined. Are you on the upslope or downslope side of the terrain? Will make a huge difference w/rt your snow/precip totals and cloud cover. Oh, and summer temps. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowWillarrive Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 26 minutes ago, High Desert Mat? said: I would but I was thinking maybe somewhere colder like Missouri, Tennessee, or maybe even Oklahoma. That’s why I was thinking Iowa. Montana and northern New England just seem like they don’t get enough cold and snow for me. I can’t tell if you are joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowWillarrive Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Green lake in the 1920s. Not sure I’ve seen it like that in my short life. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 I have to say this is far from terrible and it has been trending a bit better each run. EPO also goes minus again later in the run. Still looking at a very high chance of a cold Feb. How cold is the question. 4 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaraptor Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Phishy Wx said: Iowa is flat AF. just go to MT or maybe Northern New England I was in Chicago for a week in September. Didn't really know just how flat it was until then. Having mountains in your backyard is really a pretty special thing. Man, imagine liking snow and living in Florida. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisEl Elyon Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 CFS for late February 5 Quote Eastside Tacoma/Salishan, WA. Elv 263ft Family home in Spanaway, WA. Elv 413ft ☥𓂀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, SnowWillarrive said: Green lake in the 1920s. Not sure I’ve seen it like that in my short life. Great pic! Adding that to my collection. No...it hasn't been frozen like that in a long time. I'm betting that is either December 1924 or February 1929. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWG Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Low of 28F High 54F beautiful sunny day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishy Wx Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, Phil said: Are you on the upslope or downslope side of the terrain? Will make a huge difference w/rt your snow/precip totals and cloud cover. Oh, and summer temps. it's a plateau-y area in floyd county. Not moving there for snow per-se. just want all seasons and something milder than the sandhills/coastal plains over there. my family is in columbia sc (hot/humid as the 3rd ring of hell in summer) my wife's fam is in Myrtle Beach, SC and Laurel MD. it's a nice 'not too close, but not too far' location to prevent surprise visits if you know what I mean, but also be able to get to people in less than a days drive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 hours ago, SouthHillFrosty said: I propose kicking all Whatcom County posters to the BC Forums. Everybody that approves, pls drop a weanie reaction. I like Whatcom County. Really intended on moving there quite some time ago. 6 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Phishy Wx said: it's a plateau-y area in floyd county. Not moving there for snow per-se. just want all seasons and something milder than the sandhills/coastal plains. my family is in columbia sc (hot as the 3rd ring of hell in summer) my wife's fam is in Myrtle Beach, SC and Laurel MD. it's a nice 'not too close, but not too far' location to prevent surprise visits if you know what I mean, but also be able to get to people in less than a days drive. You already live in a place that has all 4 seasons and plenty of snow. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowWillarrive Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, snow_wizard said: Great pic! Adding that to my collection. No...it hasn't been frozen like that in a long time. I'm betting that is either December 1924 or February 1929. Those winters must have been amazing out in our neck of the woods. Must have been pretty special for green lake to look like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, Phishy Wx said: it's a plateau-y area in floyd county. Not moving there for snow per-se. just want all seasons and something milder than the sandhills/coastal plains over there. my family is in columbia sc (hot/humid as the 3rd ring of hell in summer) my wife's fam is in Myrtle Beach, SC and Laurel MD. it's a nice 'not too close, but not too far' location to prevent surprise visits if you know what I mean, but also be able to get to people in less than a days drive. Gotcha. You’ll get some sick thunderstorm winds if you’re on the lee side of the terrain. Nocturnal activity often triggers localized heat bursts. 2 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishy Wx Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, snow_wizard said: You already live in a place that has all 4 seasons and plenty of snow. I know. I'm tired of the summer smoke for one, it's becoming pretty much annual on this side of the state. Also all of our family but one brother in law in Idaho live on the east coast. this isn't anything happening tomorrow, its 10-15 years down the road. but we went ahead and bought the land now. land is always a good asset to have even if we end up not building on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Today was my 13th straight high below 50. Working on another pretty good streak. 1 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Picked up 7" of very wet snow throughout the day here today. Snow has really picked up this evening and temps are starting to drop so accumulations should really pick up overnight. Should still end up with 15-20" of snow by the time all is said and done. Currently 27F with heavy snow. 5 2 Quote Cold Season 2023/24: Total snowfall: 26" Highest daily snowfall: 5" Deepest snow depth: 12" Coldest daily high: -20ºF Coldest daily low: -42ºF Number of subzero days: 5 Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, snow_wizard said: Today was my 13th straight high below 50. Working on another pretty good streak. You know it’s been a rough 5 weeks when sub 50 streaks are highlights. 2 1 5 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Just now, ShawniganLake said: You know it’s been a rough 5 weeks when sub 50 streaks are highlights. Awesome winter climate we have here. 2 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Nice day! 4 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Some Monday night flurries IMBY on the 18Z Euro. 3 1 1 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: Awesome winter climate we have here. I agree. It gives a taste of winter without going into the deep freeze for weeks on end. 2 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 38 minutes ago, snow_wizard said: I like Whatcom County. Really intended on moving there quite some time ago. Can confirm that moving north of the Chuckanuts is definitely a climate upgrade if you are a fan of cold and snow. 2 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: I agree. It gives a taste of winter without going into the deep freeze for weeks on end. I concur. 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbbyJr Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Phil said: If the vortex moves far enough off the pole, splits, etc, the mean zonal wind above 60N latitude (circumglobally) becomes easterly instead of westerly. That is what is referred to as a “wind reversal”. A stratospheric warming is ongoing, but it does not meet the criteria for a SSW. What really matters is the dynamical structure of the vortex, not the temperature rise (which is actually a result of the weakening of the vortex, not a cause). Thanks for your explanation Phil. I would also like to add that according to Wikipedia, if the winds are slowed but don't reverse, its considered a minor SSW event. However, if the winds fully reverse, then its considered a major event. Under this understanding, in both cases the stratosphere warms suddenly. However, during a major event, there is a complete disruption to the vortex. My guess is that when the experts talk about a SSW event, they are referring to a major SSW where there is a full wind reversal and vortex disruption rather than a minor one where the winds are slowed but remain westerly. One more question: From what I understand but correct me if I'm wrong, when there is a full wind reversal, the vortex either splits or gets dislodged. However, in the case of a minor event where there is a sudden warming but no wind reversal, would the vortex still weaken? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joelgombiner Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Whenever I talk to visitors from really snowy climates like Alaska or South Dakota, the main point about the snow and cold is usually all of the problems it causes! Nice to have it every once in a while but not a constant. 5 Quote Useful weather links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Marine Layer Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Lukewarm winters are no fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, joelgombiner said: Whenever I talk to visitors from really snowy climates like Alaska or South Dakota, the main point about the snow and cold is usually all of the problems it causes! Nice to have it every once in a while but not a constant. If they truly live in a snowy climate, snow doesn’t cause any disruptions. Even with a winter storm warning and about 10” (so far!) in Bozeman today it was business as usual. No school closures or delays (hasn’t been a snow day in Bozeman since the 70’s) and everyone still goes to work and is on time. When you live in a climate that averages ~100” of snow every year life continues on just like any other day. 7 Quote Cold Season 2023/24: Total snowfall: 26" Highest daily snowfall: 5" Deepest snow depth: 12" Coldest daily high: -20ºF Coldest daily low: -42ºF Number of subzero days: 5 Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW8 Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 hours ago, TT-SEA said: @MossMan Look what we got in the mail today. Did not sign up or pay for anything. Fancy invitation and free tickets from the Seattle Boat Show to the Uncorked wine event and the Sails and Ales beer event. I wonder if buying the new boat last year triggered something in their system and put us on the VIP list? Fools! We can't afford their expensive boats. Summer Dreamin' for sure. I received the same. Not sure how I'm on the VIP list either. Makes me excited for summer and boating season though! 2 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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