jcwxguy Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Pretty big shift south in the Wisconsin area Seems like we’re seeing an uptrend in QPF each run as well and the low is getting a bit stronger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1976 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Hawkeye said: 00z NAM has nothing in Minnesota and clobbers eastern Iowa. That's ridiculous. That's a strange path Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Snowman Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, ToastedRavs said: Living from model to model won't do anyone any good for their mental health, especially with the NAM. I should be excited or ecstatic about this run of NAM for Des Moines area, yet, I'll take it with a mountain of salt. Perhaps that salt turns into a mountain of snow, but not banking on it after one good run. Neither should any Omaha people just bc one bad run. Hard to do, I know, but have faith. Let's share the wealth as much as we can with this one! This is a good point; one could take the 00z NAM and push back with the 00z HRRR (attached thru Hour 48)... in the end they're both limited compared to the computing power of global models. Continued northern shifts in this cycle from the Canadian, ICON, GFS, Euro (especially the last two, of course) would be worth more than hi-res stuff, in my opinion. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud2380 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, Hawkeye said: 00z NAM has nothing in Minnesota and clobbers eastern Iowa. That's ridiculous. A ridiculous run by a ridiculous model. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Snowman Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 One more item, so long as I'm racking my brain... over the last 30 days, the pecking order in terms of 1-5 day model error has been: 1) ECMWF 2) UKMET(!) 3) Canadian(!!) More of a remarkable fact than something specifically pertinent to this storm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, bud2380 said: A ridiculous run by a ridiculous model. Looks right to me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 RGEM looks south. It hits my area hard. My gosh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CentralNebWeather Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 0z GFS destroys Central Nebraska. Looks very similar to RGEM. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CentralNebWeather Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Oh Canada. Oh my. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hlcater Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Trend on guidance tonight has been to miss CR by… checks notes…. 10 miles. Lol. 1 1 Quote 2021-22 Snowfall: (Hiawatha) TOTAL: 10.2" (12/28: 3.0") (12/29: 0.8") (1/1: 6.4") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttumwaSnomow Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintbeed1993 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 The Canadian low track is literally textbook snowstorm for central and eastern Nebraska taking the low from southern Kansas and up over Kansas City. That pesky warm nose is making me nervous though as it cuts through up to interstate 80. Will be interesting to compare the EURO low track tonight 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hlcater Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 The HRRR, RAP, ARW and NSSL are on the southern side of guidance. 2 Quote 2021-22 Snowfall: (Hiawatha) TOTAL: 10.2" (12/28: 3.0") (12/29: 0.8") (1/1: 6.4") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Snowman Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 As others have stated above, actually kind of impressed with how model guidance is coming in. Feels like a while since we've had a < 48hrs-from-event 00z cycle (or 12z, for that matter... really any cycle) not continuing to slash totals / pull the rug out, etc. Kind of a sad way that this is a "win" for this winter (barring a last-second collapse), but at least it's something. Going to say 5" of snow and a thick glaze of ice to make everything shiny here in Omaha. Though risks to the forecast do seem a little more skewed to the upside for snow with the 00z data in so far. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Snowman Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 00z Canadian ensembles with a southward tick, upping Omaha totals by an inch or two (hopefully this side-by-side comparison retains its resolution being posted here) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Snowman Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 0z Euro looking south in Nebraska... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Snowman Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 00z Euro vs 12z Euro, providing quite a jolt for Nebraska I-80 folks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintbeed1993 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Wow, after all this time and the king is the one to cave! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hawkeye Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 06z HRRR 2 Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzcoat Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 06Z NAM is North- Quote The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDR Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Gfs is north Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzcoat Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, GDR said: Gfs is north you talking 06Z? Doesn't start running for over 1/2 hr. Quote The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzcoat Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 06Z RDPS- Quote The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzcoat Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 DMX out with Watches- 2 Quote The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzcoat Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 06Z GFS- pretty much held serve-- actually increased totals in E.IA while slightly less in C.IA SPREAD THE WEALTH!! 3 Quote The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzcoat Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 DMX AFD- talks possible CI release- (thundersnow) Vigorous upper low ejects out of the central Rockies early Wednesday. Moisture is quickly pulled off the Gulf and streams northward within a belt of strong theta-e advection. Expecting a broad swath of precip to push into the state by Wednesday afternoon and evening as deep, phased kinematic and thermodynamic forcing crosses the region. Models have come into reasonably better agreement on track and precip amounts over the last 12 hours and have slowed on the northerly trend, however timing differences still remain. In addition, pinpointing the rain/snow transition Wed afternoon and evening is a challenge as temps from southwest into central Iowa will be hover near to just above freezing. Isentropic lift during this period particularly robust especially along the 290-295k surfaces which will be pumping 3-4 g/kg spec humidity to near the DGZ. Furthermore, cross-sections show some folded saturated theta-e surfaces and the potential for CI release. 00z HREF has latched on to this and advertises elevated probabilities for 1-2"/hr snow rates into west central Iowa by 21z and translating east. Current thinking is dynamic cooling + ene wind will be enough to offset low level warm air advection and set up the rain/snow line to near or south of the DSM metro for the evening commute. This will need to be closely monitored since a temp swing of just 1 or 2 degrees in either direction will have a significant impact on the southerly extent of wintry travel impacts around that time period. Higher confidence in deteriorating travel conditions closer to Hwy 30 and points north. Upper low matures into Wed night as a dry slot swings around the southern side. This dries out the DGZ over central into southern Iowa and will limit accumulating snowfall potential and may even lead to periods of light freezing drizzle. Snowfall continues in earnest over northern Iowa as a ribbon of moisture is advected back into a well defined TROWAL region. Snow winds down Thursday morning as the upper low kicks northeast. Expecting the swath of 4-9" of snowfall within the issued Winter Storm Watch, and the axis of highest amounts north of an Atlantic-Ames-Waterloo line. Some blowing snow is possible, however winds will not be overly gusty with this system due to limited cold air advection and weak surface pressure tendencies. 4 Quote The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzcoat Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 06Z GEFS- 2 Quote The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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