Andie Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Thin Sea Ice, Thick Snow, and Widespread Negative Freeboard Observed During N‐ICE2015 North of Svalbard https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2017JC012865 https://www.sott.net/article/388629-Study-Arctic-sea-ice-is-thicker-now-than-it-was-in-1955 In recent years, sea‐ice conditions in the Arctic Ocean changed substantially toward a younger and thinner sea‐ice cover. To capture the scope of these changes and identify the differences between individual regions, in situ observations from expeditions are a valuable data source. We present a continuous time series of in situ measurements from the N‐ICE2015 expedition from January to June 2015 in the Arctic Basin north of Svalbard, comprising snow buoy and ice mass balance buoy data and local and regional data gained from electromagnetic induction (EM) surveys and snow probe measurements from four distinct drifts. The observed mean snow depth of 0.53 m for April to early June is 73% above the average value of 0.30 m from historical and recent observations in this region, covering the years 1955–2017 2 Quote Before You Diagnose Yourself With Depression or Low Self-Esteem,...First Make Sure You Are Not In Fact, Just Surrounded By A$$holes. “If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell.” Gen. Sheridan 1866 2018 Rainfall - 62.65" High Temp. - 110.03* Low Temp. - 8.4* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKwx2k4 Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Thin Sea Ice, Thick Snow, and Widespread Negative Freeboard Observed During N‐ICE2015 North of Svalbard https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2017JC012865 https://www.sott.net/article/388629-Study-Arctic-sea-ice-is-thicker-now-than-it-was-in-1955 In recent years, sea‐ice conditions in the Arctic Ocean changed substantially toward a younger and thinner sea‐ice cover. To capture the scope of these changes and identify the differences between individual regions, in situ observations from expeditions are a valuable data source. We present a continuous time series of in situ measurements from the N‐ICE2015 expedition from January to June 2015 in the Arctic Basin north of Svalbard, comprising snow buoy and ice mass balance buoy data and local and regional data gained from electromagnetic induction (EM) surveys and snow probe measurements from four distinct drifts. The observed mean snow depth of 0.53 m for April to early June is 73% above the average value of 0.30 m from historical and recent observations in this region, covering the years 1955–2017 IMG_3239.JPG IMG_3239.JPGBut but but...that can't be! Global panic and whatnot wouldn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 But but but...that can't be! Global panic and whatnot wouldn't make sense. Didn't Al Gore say the ice was supposed to be all melted by last year? 1 Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKwx2k4 Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Didn't Al Gore say the ice was supposed to be all melted by last year? Last year, 2012, 2007... I lost count of how many times I have heard it was going to be gone by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andie Posted June 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2018 Just for balanced information, here's the antarctic picture. Sometimes there ARE goblins lurking under the bed. https://www.arcus.org/sipn/sea-ice-outlook/2018/june However: Seroussi and Ivins’ simulations using a heat flow higher than 150 milliwatts per square meter showed too much melting to be compatible with the space-based data, except in one location: an area inland of the Ross Sea known for intense flows of water. This region required a heat flow of at least 150-180 milliwatts per square meter to agree with the observations. However, seismic imaging has shown that mantle heat in this region may reach the ice sheet through a rift, that is, a fracture in Earth’s crust such as appears in Africa’s Great Rift Valley. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11/07/nasa-volcanic-magma-plume-under-antarctica-may-explain-ice-sheet-instability/ And Nearly 100 Volcanoes detected under the Antarctic. That doesn't count those on the bed of the sea under the Ross ice shelf. https://www.livescience.com/60133-volcanoes-discovered-beneath-antarctica.html Quote Before You Diagnose Yourself With Depression or Low Self-Esteem,...First Make Sure You Are Not In Fact, Just Surrounded By A$$holes. “If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell.” Gen. Sheridan 1866 2018 Rainfall - 62.65" High Temp. - 110.03* Low Temp. - 8.4* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherfan2012 Posted June 25, 2018 Report Share Posted June 25, 2018 Just for balanced information, here's the antarctic picture. Sometimes there ARE goblins lurking under the bed. https://www.arcus.org/sipn/sea-ice-outlook/2018/june However: Seroussi and Ivins’ simulations using a heat flow higher than 150 milliwatts per square meter showed too much melting to be compatible with the space-based data, except in one location: an area inland of the Ross Sea known for intense flows of water. This region required a heat flow of at least 150-180 milliwatts per square meter to agree with the observations. However, seismic imaging has shown that mantle heat in this region may reach the ice sheet through a rift, that is, a fracture in Earth’s crust such as appears in Africa’s Great Rift Valley. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11/07/nasa-volcanic-magma-plume-under-antarctica-may-explain-ice-sheet-instability/ And Nearly 100 Volcanoes detected under the Antarctic. That doesn't count those on the bed of the sea under the Ross ice shelf. https://www.livescience.com/60133-volcanoes-discovered-beneath-antarctica.htmlSpeaking of Volcanoes Robert Filex discusses the underground volcanoes quite a bit and how it is connected to ocean warming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andie Posted June 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I got this from Felixs site. White is no ice. I don't see any white at the pole. http://polarportal.dk/en/sea-ice-and-icebergs/sea-ice-thickness-and-volume/ 1 Quote Before You Diagnose Yourself With Depression or Low Self-Esteem,...First Make Sure You Are Not In Fact, Just Surrounded By A$$holes. “If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell.” Gen. Sheridan 1866 2018 Rainfall - 62.65" High Temp. - 110.03* Low Temp. - 8.4* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKwx2k4 Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 Looks like a pretty healthy block of ice to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andie Posted July 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 Plenty of cool out there, but no one is talking about it. Look at all that white and blue. The Arctic and Antarctic are showing increased ice and cold. Are there hot and dry spots? Of course, but this is a map for July 9th 2 Quote Before You Diagnose Yourself With Depression or Low Self-Esteem,...First Make Sure You Are Not In Fact, Just Surrounded By A$$holes. “If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell.” Gen. Sheridan 1866 2018 Rainfall - 62.65" High Temp. - 110.03* Low Temp. - 8.4* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKwx2k4 Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 Plenty of cool out there, but no one is talking about it. Look at all that white and blue. The Arctic and Antarctic are showing increased ice and cold. Are there hot and dry spots? Of course, but this is a map for July 9th IMG_3280.PNGLots of blue and white over the poles. Glad to see that. Anytime it's cold at the poles, there are going to be warmer spots somewhere in the mid-latitudes and vice versa. I guess the law of equal and opposite reactions doesn't apply to the atmosphere though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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