Hoosier Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 You can summarize the afternoon LOT discussion in 2 words: low confidence. They mentioned low confidence on literally every facet of the storm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1976 Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Tom said: This has to be the 3rd storm of the season that had the right track and deep moisture but lack of any sustained cold out ahead of the storm. Just not our winter. What's ORD at for the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icewoz Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 DTX is being low-key as well, which they should be. You don't want to "cry wolf" everytime something shows up that can be decided on with more information later. It seems every storm this year moving through the country has been portrayed as "the storm of the century" by the media for some reason. Focus then turns towards the potential for a impactful winter storm to affect the central Great Lakes. Confidence remains high for widespread precipitation moving into southeast Michigan starting Friday morning and continuing through Friday night/Saturday morning. This system will emerge from a Pacific wave with the 500 mb trough diving through the Four Corners region on Thursday with a 140 knot upper jet rounding the base. Associated surface low pressure strengthens as it lifts into IL and is forecast to track just south of the CWA or right along the southern MI border. This places southeast Michigan in a favorable spot for potentially several inches of accumulating snow, which is supported by the ensemble spread. However, the swath of highest snowfall totals still remains sensitive to the exact track of the low. Thermal profiles also offer a chance for a wintry mix during a portion of this event, but confidence in ptypes is too low this far out to nail down exact details. Be sure to stay up to date with the forecast as details become more clear on this potential major winter storm. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tom Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 23 minutes ago, james1976 said: What's ORD at for the season? 17.9” but the NW burbs are 10”+ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 Need the GFS to come on board. Still warm and SE relative to the ensembles, NAM, euro etc. Quote 2021-22 Snowfall: (Hiawatha) TOTAL: 10.2" (12/28: 3.0") (12/29: 0.8") (1/1: 6.4") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 Just saw the euro and wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 Gfs ensembles way SE this run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTPmidMO Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 Just now, Money said: Gfs ensembles way SE this run Can you post the GFS ensembles here for me? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimmesnow Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 Money you are such a tease. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 My current guess is the snow band will be mostly southeast of my area, closer to the GFS than Euro. Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacsh Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 Don’t this goes any more north from here on out. GFS is now a little south of every other model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 37 minutes ago, Hawkeye said: My current guess is the snow band will be mostly southeast of my area, closer to the GFS than Euro. Our friend in Erie, IL may be in a decent spot. Though even some differences in regards to when the snow band really gets cranking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowawx Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 47 minutes ago, Hawkeye said: My current guess is the snow band will be mostly southeast of my area, closer to the GFS than Euro. Not buying into the Euro/Nam? The NW trend has been pretty consistent and most models, except the GFS are showing snow up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Iowawx said: Not buying into the Euro/Nam? The NW trend has been pretty consistent and most models, except the GFS are showing snow up here. Yeah, I'm thinking we've seen the nw trend and it will gradually fade back southeast as it approaches. Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 18z Euro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 This looks like another narrow-swath snow event. Big warmth will be surging up from the south. Dry air will be suppressing it from the north. In between there will be a narrow band of concrete. This is a bit similar to the storm a few weeks ago that dropped 6-9" from Dubuque to Madison. 3 Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaycee_CHI Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 For those who read @Tom’s post about ORD having 17.8”, you also have to realize how large the Chicago metro area is. Also, I’m not saying they’re liars, butttt I think whoever works at ORD hypes their totals. Even with severe weather, you’ll see 60mph wind gusts recorded everywhere then ORD is like “97 MPH WINDGUST RECORDED BUILDINGS CURRENTLY FLYING”. It’s weird But i assume northern burbs have actually gotten closer to that total, whereas the southern side of town (hi it’s me), has gotten less than 10”. I think we’ve had maybe like, idk, 7” total? Lmao. It’s literally THE least snowy winter I can ever remember in Chicago. OH. And not only that, we’ve gotten hit by every system. But I kid you not, since December, it has poured rain, and been 34 degrees EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Like yes I hate shoveling and stuff but omg 34 and rain EVERYTIME? Barf. Anyways lol. I think it’d be foolish for anyone in my immediate area to think we’ll get anything other than 33 and rain again. It’s insane how the cutoff of snow seems to be on the Wisconsin border every single storm for the past 3 months. I have a feeling the 18z EURO run that @Clinton posted above is the exact track for this storm. It would honestly be way more odd for it not to be at this point 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 46 minutes ago, Jaycee_CHI said: For those who read @Tom’s post about ORD having 17.8”, you also have to realize how large the Chicago metro area is. Also, I’m not saying they’re liars, butttt I think whoever works at ORD hypes their totals. Even with severe weather, you’ll see 60mph wind gusts recorded everywhere then ORD is like “97 MPH WINDGUST RECORDED BUILDINGS CURRENTLY FLYING”. It’s weird But i assume northern burbs have actually gotten closer to that total, whereas the southern side of town (hi it’s me), has gotten less than 10”. I think we’ve had maybe like, idk, 7” total? Lmao. It’s literally THE least snowy winter I can ever remember in Chicago. OH. And not only that, we’ve gotten hit by every system. But I kid you not, since December, it has poured rain, and been 34 degrees EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Like yes I hate shoveling and stuff but omg 34 and rain EVERYTIME? Barf. Anyways lol. I think it’d be foolish for anyone in my immediate area to think we’ll get anything other than 33 and rain again. It’s insane how the cutoff of snow seems to be on the Wisconsin border every single storm for the past 3 months. I have a feeling the 18z EURO run that @Clinton posted above is the exact track for this storm. It would honestly be way more odd for it not to be at this point Aside from the one storm, been same exact broken record here for DTW. 34F and rain (endless) 34F and snow (once) 1 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 NAM still nw, RDPS (and very likely the GDPS) still se. Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 6 hours ago, Icewoz said: DTX is being low-key as well, which they should be. You don't want to "cry wolf" everytime something shows up that can be decided on with more information later. It seems every storm this year moving through the country has been portrayed as "the storm of the century" by the media for some reason. Focus then turns towards the potential for a impactful winter storm to affect the central Great Lakes. Confidence remains high for widespread precipitation moving into southeast Michigan starting Friday morning and continuing through Friday night/Saturday morning. This system will emerge from a Pacific wave with the 500 mb trough diving through the Four Corners region on Thursday with a 140 knot upper jet rounding the base. Associated surface low pressure strengthens as it lifts into IL and is forecast to track just south of the CWA or right along the southern MI border. This places southeast Michigan in a favorable spot for potentially several inches of accumulating snow, which is supported by the ensemble spread. However, the swath of highest snowfall totals still remains sensitive to the exact track of the low. Thermal profiles also offer a chance for a wintry mix during a portion of this event, but confidence in ptypes is too low this far out to nail down exact details. Be sure to stay up to date with the forecast as details become more clear on this potential major winter storm. I suppose they are thinking of their entire CWA, because that's way too bullish on winter impacts for their lowest 2 tiers. WPC today saying snow N, something S for The Mitt. 1 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Jaycee_CHI said: For those who read @Tom’s post about ORD having 17.8”, you also have to realize how large the Chicago metro area is. Also, I’m not saying they’re liars, butttt I think whoever works at ORD hypes their totals. Even with severe weather, you’ll see 60mph wind gusts recorded everywhere then ORD is like “97 MPH WINDGUST RECORDED BUILDINGS CURRENTLY FLYING”. It’s weird But i assume northern burbs have actually gotten closer to that total, whereas the southern side of town (hi it’s me), has gotten less than 10”. I think we’ve had maybe like, idk, 7” total? Lmao. It’s literally THE least snowy winter I can ever remember in Chicago. OH. And not only that, we’ve gotten hit by every system. But I kid you not, since December, it has poured rain, and been 34 degrees EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Like yes I hate shoveling and stuff but omg 34 and rain EVERYTIME? Barf. Anyways lol. I think it’d be foolish for anyone in my immediate area to think we’ll get anything other than 33 and rain again. It’s insane how the cutoff of snow seems to be on the Wisconsin border every single storm for the past 3 months. I have a feeling the 18z EURO run that @Clinton posted above is the exact track for this storm. It would honestly be way more odd for it not to be at this point I'm in low end double digits for the season and we're not that far apart location-wise. The 0.3", 0.8" type amounts add up, but are easily forgettable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, Hawkeye said: NAM still nw, RDPS (and very likely the GDPS) still se. Hey, check your pm's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 The ICON made a big jump nw this morning, but has gone right back southeast this evening. 1 Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 Lightfoot loses. Good riddance. Maybe I can enjoy Chicago again some day (sorry for OT post) 2 2 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 The 00z GFS is way southeast, waving bye-bye to Iowa. I totally expected this. 1 Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Hawkeye said: The 00z GFS is way southeast, waving bye-bye to Iowa. I totally expected this. I think you've been trolled "severely" more than once this winter. Sucky models are horrible! Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 Gonna be wild if the heavy band ends up south of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 Just now, Hoosier said: Gonna be wild if the heavy band ends up south of me. NO WAY that happens Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, jaster220 said: NO WAY that happens You wouldn't think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 Yesterday's storm was actually a pretty big deal for MI with some places scoring 8". Nothing on the ground here, but not too far north it looks like #realwinter. NMI depths looking better than any time since the holidays. 2 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 00z GEFS... totally abandoning the nw track. Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacsh Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 I give up on this storm. Models are struggling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 00z Euro just adds to the forecast complications with it being on the nw side of guidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 3km NAM and Euro are in the same camp. The GFS and Canadian have gone warm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 EAX still with no confidence in the forecast. With the system Thursday night - Friday, there is an unusually high amount of uncertainty due to 1) the variability in the track of the low and 2) the thermal profile during heaviest precipitation. Models are still varying the track of the upper low both spatially and temporally. Looking at 12Z Friday, the deterministic models vary the 500mb low from eastern OK, to central Arkansas, to southwestern MO. This doesn`t seem like much but variance greatly affects the thermal profile and the resultant precipitation type and snow amounts. To illustrate this, comparing forecast soundings for Kansas City between the NAM and the GFS shows very different thermal profiles. The NAM, which is further northwest with the upper low and the surface, shows a saturated airmass from surface 30K ft with a nearly isothermal profile at or just below freezing from the surface through about 6K ft. With the intense lift shown by the NAM, this would be pouring heavy wet snow over Kansas City as the atmosphere dynamically cools. The GFS, in contrast, is warmer with several dry-layers through the sounding. This would be some light rain with temperatures in the middle 30s. So the best way to handle this uncertainty remains looking at ensemble data. And even then there is high variance. Ensemble members vary the track of the low from east central AR to NW MO at 12Z Friday. SREF plume diagrams for Kansas city range from several members with zero snow, to an extreme of 20+", and a mean around 7". The key things the ensembles show is the strength of the system. The NAEFS Standardized Anomaly plots continue to indicate a very strong surface low pressure area 4-5 standard deviations below normal over southeastern MO at 12Z. The 850mb and 700mb low also show a 4-5 standard deviation below normal over southern MO with a 3-4 standard deviation below normal 500mb low just slightly displaced northward from the lower-levels. ECMWF extreme forecast index continues to point to snow amounts in the 60 to 80 percentile for reforecast period of 2002-2023. Meaning the ECMWF ensembles are showing a good chance for snow compared to the reforecast period. And the shift of tails remains positive showing that at least 10% of its ensemble members are above the 99th percentile. With all that said, this remains a powerful storm system moving across Missouri. It will have the potential, if the track, timing, and temperatures cool enough via dynamic cooling, to produce heavy wet snow for some of the area. It could also stay too warm and we just get a cold rain. We`re talking about 1-2 degrees, not just at the surface, but through the lowest several thousand feet of the atmosphere being the difference between a lot of snow and no snow. These details can`t be worked out with much confidence at this point this system is still 50+ hours out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 8 hours ago, Jaycee_CHI said: For those who read @Tom’s post about ORD having 17.8”, you also have to realize how large the Chicago metro area is. Also, I’m not saying they’re liars, butttt I think whoever works at ORD hypes their totals. Even with severe weather, you’ll see 60mph wind gusts recorded everywhere then ORD is like “97 MPH WINDGUST RECORDED BUILDINGS CURRENTLY FLYING”. It’s weird But i assume northern burbs have actually gotten closer to that total, whereas the southern side of town (hi it’s me), has gotten less than 10”. I think we’ve had maybe like, idk, 7” total? Lmao. It’s literally THE least snowy winter I can ever remember in Chicago. OH. And not only that, we’ve gotten hit by every system. But I kid you not, since December, it has poured rain, and been 34 degrees EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Like yes I hate shoveling and stuff but omg 34 and rain EVERYTIME? Barf. Anyways lol. I think it’d be foolish for anyone in my immediate area to think we’ll get anything other than 33 and rain again. It’s insane how the cutoff of snow seems to be on the Wisconsin border every single storm for the past 3 months. I have a feeling the 18z EURO run that @Clinton posted above is the exact track for this storm. It would honestly be way more odd for it not to be at this point Sadly, your speaking the Truth here and the southern part of the Metro has had an abysmal MET Winter. Here is a map of the region for climatological Winter and it clearly shows where the winners and losers have been. Travel a 100 miles south and C IL into N MO has had Zilch! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WinterSquall23 Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 58 minutes ago, Tom said: Sadly, your speaking the Truth here and the southern part of the Metro has had an abysmal MET Winter. Here is a map of the region for climatological Winter and it clearly shows where the winners and losers have been. Travel a 100 miles south and C IL into N MO has had Zilch! Look at the hole near Cleveland !!! That’s is crazy! They really have not had a good winter this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzcoat Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 06z Euro caving to GFS and CMC- Good hit for Chi-town. 1 1 Quote The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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