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5 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Need those blues to trend west or north or south or west but yeah looks like we might not be done with the snow just yet! 

Haha, later it shows you and I getting 9" inches on the 14th.  You can take that to the bank for sure.

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Just now, Meatyorologist said:

Had to skip town for a bit on my own. Just had to. The wanderlust was too strong and the BS in my personal life just kept mounting. I impulse bought the plane tickets and the hostel while enjoying the fruits of being 21, the next morning insted of cancelling I decided to commit.

I've never travelled alone before so this is a big step for me. It's been one of the best experiences of my life so far.

Sorry about the stress, man. Life’s a bïtch. Glad you found a way to escape, though.

And it might snow there later tonight. ❄️ 

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Gfs has some strong offshore flow for about 48 hrs then a low approaches and deepens to 980mb just west of long beach.

Not very cold but dewpoints will be low. Could be interesting for places away from the canal as well.

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We come from the land of the ice and snow.

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Apparently Truckee high school has exceeded the snow load rating for their building. South lake tahoe fire drove around my neighborhood yesterday telling everyone to remove snow from their roofs before the incoming rain this weekend.

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3 hours ago, AlTahoe said:

Apparently Truckee high school has exceeded the snow load rating for their building. South lake tahoe fire drove around my neighborhood yesterday telling everyone to remove snow from their roofs before the incoming rain this weekend.

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Lockdowns and stay at home all over again, 3 years later. 

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I was up to 33 days with snow on the ground 4yrs ago today! 
Oh and here is the PNA. 

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Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! 

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Well Tim hasn’t posted that it’s not coming this weekend so it might actually be coming this weekend? 

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Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! 

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Looks like unfavorable timing with the system on Friday from the Seattle area northward with the bulk the precip moving through during daylight hours.    More interesting for SW WA and the Hood Canal.

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4 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Well Tim hasn’t posted that it’s not coming this weekend so it might actually be coming this weekend? 

Oh snap... I was posting just as you wrote that.   I think the only chance is really Friday.    It's not an entire weekend event.

In fact the GFS is pretty warm on Sunday at least for the Seattle area.   But it's the GFS.

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10 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Looks like unfavorable timing with the system on Friday from the Seattle area northward with the bulk the precip moving through during daylight hours.    More interesting for SW WA and the Hood Canal.

And even this area is iffy. The timing could change slightly and 6 hrs could make all the difference. 

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The 06Z ECMWF shows snow across most of SW WA late Thursday night into Friday morning with the more favorable timing in terms of daylight.  

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Another sunny morning... but will probably have clouds building up later.

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17 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

The 06Z ECMWF shows snow across most of SW WA late Thursday night into Friday morning with the more favorable timing in terms of daylight.  

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SCORE! Though this is total snow, some of this probably falls the next day or two.

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

SCORE! Though this is total snow, some of this probably falls the next day or two.

Probably... but the lowland snow in SW WA is primarily late Thursday night into Friday morning. 

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1 minute ago, TT-SEA said:

Probably... but the lowland snow in SW WA is primarily late Thursday night into Friday morning. 

Phantom snow below 1000'. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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2 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Phantom snow below 1000'. 

Snow level will be even higher than that up here on Friday during the day when the main batch of precip moves through.   I don't expect much of anything in my area.   ECMWF and GFS show temps well into the 40s during the day on Friday even out here.  

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12Z GEM and 12Z ICON are probably more reasonable given the marginal temps.  

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We did pick up a light dusting this morning. Six straight days of sticking snow. 

March 2: 0.3

March 3: 0.8

March 4: 2.7

March 5: 2.2

March 6: 4.4

March 7: 0.1

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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Tomorrow morning looks like a good chance for snow down in Medford. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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42 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Another sunny morning... but will probably have clouds building up later.

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Live look from the kitchen window. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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Niño 3.4 might actually flirt with positive territory before the end of the month. Probably won’t stay that high given subsequent MJO transit into E-Hem, but there’s no sign of a niña standing wave on the latest EPS weeklies, so forcing should continue to propagate thereafter.

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4 minutes ago, Phil said:

At least this doesn’t look like a repeat of March 2012. Would be grateful to put that horrible analog in the rear view mirror.

It would truly suck to continue building western snow pack and water supply. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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Sunny again this morning from Seattle to Bellingham is the same area as yesterday with some downslope off the Cascades.     Up 42 in North Bend and at SEA already.

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3 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Sunny again this morning from Seattle to Bellingham is the same area as yesterday with some downslope off the Cascades.     Up 42 in North Bend and at SEA already.

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North Bend sounds like the ultimate banana belt. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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4 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

North Bend sounds like the ultimate banana belt. 

Depends on the set up... this happens to be a pattern that favors warmer conditions out here than other places in the PNW.    But today it should be fairly uniform from Seattle to Bellingham and out to the foothills up here thanks to weak offshore flow.    Any time there is an offshore component it will usually be warmer out here with the notable exception being when there is a deep cold pool east of the Cascades.   That is not an issue in March though.  

Downslope is a major difference between your area and my area.  

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Temps are fairly uniform this morning across the Seattle area in the low to mid 40s.    North Bend is the lower right corner but is not much warmer than the rest of the area this morning thanks to plentiful sunshine everywhere.

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1 hour ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Live look from the kitchen window. 

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You have snow on the trees in your yard... up here there isn't even snow on the trees on the ridge behind our house.   The grass still looks like crap though thanks to the endless chilly nights.

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2 minutes ago, Winterdog said:

40F after a low of 31F.  A beautiful day ahead.

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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5 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

You have snow on the trees in your yard... up here there isn't even snow on the trees on the ridge behind our house.   The grass still looks like crap though thanks to the endless chilly nights.

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Yeah, its been a rinse/repeat cycle for the past week. Snow at night, melting late morning/early afternoon, snow moving back in around sunset. 36 with some filtered sunshine and drippy trees now. The legit melting will happen when we get rain late this week.  I would love to get more snow in the next six weeks, but I hope all this melts first. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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1 hour ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

We did pick up a light dusting this morning. Six straight days of sticking snow. 

March 2: 0.3

March 3: 0.8

March 4: 2.7

March 5: 2.2

March 6: 4.4

March 7: 0.1

we got a dusting of Graupel

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Main batch of moisture moves through the Seattle area very early on Friday morning... more favorable timing.   But seems almost impossible for meaningful snow with the 925mb temps shown at that time. 

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