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[Andie]

I feel like I’m lost in the Carnival House of Mirrors.  

[hawkstwelve]

I highly encourage any Republican or Independent who is on the fence about Trump to watch this Nikki Haley townhall all the way through.

I will vote for Nikki Haley in a second. She is so smart, articulate, and a straight shooter. Her answer on abortion was very thoughtful and nuanced. More or less that she is very pro-life but realizes that any federal solution will need to pass through Congress and a national abortion ban will never be able to do that. So why even discuss it? It's just another media tactic to scare and divide people. I'm so over that shit.

She is also incredibly strong on foreign policy, owing to her time as Ambassador to the UN. Foreign policy is going to be a very large factor over the next decade with North Korea, China, Russia, Iran, and the Saudis (among others) seemingly teaming up behind the scenes while Biden is asleep at the wheel. Nothing like a cabal of countries who all want to see the destruction of America banding together while we are so focused on fighting ourselves that we don't even see it!!

Near the end she argues that we as a country need to go back to 'faith, family, country' as some of our founding principles. It is not possible for me to agree any more with her right there. I firmly believe the lack of faith, the loss of the nuclear family, and the loss of pride for our country has contributed to our current awful state of affairs. If we could restore just 2/3 of those things I think we'd be better off.

I am a firm never-Trumper now after supporting him for his first four years. I pray to God that he does not get the nomination because there is no doubt in my mind that he would lose to Biden next year. Lord only knows what another four years of the Biden catastrophe would do to this country. I am praying with everything I have that Nikki Haley (or Tim Scott) somehow scraps their way to the top and becomes a sleeper hit. I realize it's not likely but ~70-80% of the Republican Party does not want Trump to be the nominee so hopefully Nikki will be able to capitalize on that.

Unfortunately as the non-Trump lane continues to fill up with candidates it will be harder for any single one of them to get enough percentage of the vote to make a dent. I say any candidate who is not polling above 5% by Christmas of this year needs to drop out. At that point, the sane Republicans need to coalesce around the candidate with the best shot of beating Trump. I hope that it's not DeSantis but even if it is, I'd support him. Not a huge fan though.

Come on Nikki!!!

[Iceresistance]

1 hour ago, hawkstwelve said:

I highly encourage any Republican or Independent who is on the fence about Trump to watch this Nikki Haley townhall all the way through.

I will vote for Nikki Haley in a second. She is so smart, articulate, and a straight shooter. Her answer on abortion was very thoughtful and nuanced. More or less that she is very pro-life but realizes that any federal solution will need to pass through Congress and a national abortion ban will never be able to do that. So why even discuss it? It's just another media tactic to scare and divide people. I'm so over that .

She is also incredibly strong on foreign policy, owing to her time as Ambassador to the UN. Foreign policy is going to be a very large factor over the next decade with North Korea, China, Russia, Iran, and the Saudis (among others) seemingly teaming up behind the scenes while Biden is asleep at the wheel. Nothing like a cabal of countries who all want to see the destruction of America banding together while we are so focused on fighting ourselves that we don't even see it!!

Near the end she argues that we as a country need to go back to 'faith, family, country' as some of our founding principles. It is not possible for me to agree any more with her right there. I firmly believe the lack of faith, the loss of the nuclear family, and the loss of pride for our country has contributed to our current awful state of affairs. If we could restore just 2/3 of those things I think we'd be better off.

I am a firm never-Trumper now after supporting him for his first four years. I pray to God that he does not get the nomination because there is no doubt in my mind that he would lose to Biden next year. Lord only knows what another four years of the Biden catastrophe would do to this country. I am praying with everything I have that Nikki Haley (or Tim Scott) somehow scraps their way to the top and becomes a sleeper hit. I realize it's not likely but ~70-80% of the Republican Party does not want Trump to be the nominee so hopefully Nikki will be able to capitalize on that.

Unfortunately as the non-Trump lane continues to fill up with candidates it will be harder for any single one of them to get enough percentage of the vote to make a dent. I say any candidate who is not polling above 5% by Christmas of this year needs to drop out. At that point, the sane Republicans need to coalesce around the candidate with the best shot of beating Trump. I hope that it's not DeSantis but even if it is, I'd support him. Not a huge fan though.

Come on Nikki!!!

I can't confirm this, but Trump is considering a female VP. Nikki Haley is one of his options.

[Andie]

He'd be smart to get her, but I don't know if she'd do it. 

Haley was a real bulldog in the United Nations.  I recall her verbally dressing down foreign nations that were our adversaries and she took no prisoners.  Direct, clear, and firm. 

I'm looking forward to the debates.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

3 hours ago, hawkstwelve said:

She is also incredibly strong on foreign policy, owing to her time as Ambassador to the UN. Foreign policy is going to be a very large factor over the next decade with North Korea, China, Russia, Iran, and the Saudis (among others) seemingly teaming up behind the scenes while Biden is asleep at the wheel. Nothing like a cabal of countries who all want to see the destruction of America banding together while we are so focused on fighting ourselves that we don't even see it!!

Biden is “asleep at the wheel” when it comes to dealing with Russia?

Biden, who got the Europeans on board when it comes to getting firm with Putin? Biden, who welcomed Finland into NATO, and who will soon welcome Sweden into the alliance?

I mean, I know “Democrats are weak on foreign policy” is something of a talking point in right-wing echo chambers, but this specific claim just doesn’t pass a rudimentary reality check. Especially when TFG let Putin all but lead him around on a leash at that conference in Helsinki and was all ga-ga over Baby Kim’s “love letters.”

You may not like Biden’s style or his domestic politics, but I really see just about zero evidence that he’s uniquely bad when it comes to letting foreign dictators take advantage of him.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

8 hours ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Seems to be almost a guarantee trump is going to be indicted.  No reason to post a rant like that unless his lawyers told him he was in trouble after meeting with the DOJ.

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-whines-no-other-presidents-were-charged-after-his-lawyers-visited-the-doj-over-the-classified-docs-probe/

We shall see. “Oh boy, we’ve really got Trump this time” is something like a scratched phonograph record.

[hawkstwelve]

2 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Biden is “asleep at the wheel” when it comes to dealing with Russia?

Biden, who got the Europeans on board when it comes to getting firm with Putin? Biden, who welcomed Finland into NATO, and who will soon welcome Sweden into the alliance?

I mean, I know “Democrats are weak on foreign policy” is something of a talking point in right-wing echo chambers, but this specific claim just doesn’t pass a rudimentary reality check. Especially when TFG let Putin all but lead him around on a leash at that conference in Helsinki and was all ga-ga over Baby Kim’s “love letters.”

You may not like Biden’s style or his domestic politics, but I really see just about zero evidence that he’s uniquely bad when it comes to letting foreign dictators take advantage of him.

Why would the Europeans not get firm with Putin when a Russian win in Ukraine would be a direct threat to their borders? It was a pretty widely held belief that if Putin won in Ukraine he wouldn't stop there. Poland, The Baltics, Moldova... If he had a decisive victory, he would have moved on to the next country. Thankfully that didn't happen, largely due to Western equipment and ammunition paired with the Ukrainian peoples astounding resolve. But it didn't take much strong arming from Biden to encourage Europe to defend itself through a proxy war in Ukraine. Basic geopolitics here, at least on the level we are discussing. No credit.

Same sentiment applies to recent NATO additions. Which country in Europe wouldn't want to join NATO at a time when Putin wants to create a Soviet Union 2.0? If you were leading Finland and bordered Russia, wouldn't you want to join an alliance with powerful nations who would agree to have your back if Putin turned his sights on your country after the botched job in Ukraine? You'd have to be a pretty stupid leader to not want to join NATO. Again, no credit.

If I was to give Biden credit somewhere vis-a-vis Ukraine I would say he's done a fairly decent job at keeping the rhetoric and tone of our response at a low simmer. I think letting our weapons/ammunition do the talking is pretty important right now. He's called out certain particularly heinous acts but has otherwise kept fairly quiet. That's the right move.

As to Trump and Putin, my qualms with Biden don't excuse Trump's idiotic statements and behaviors. They can both be idiots, it's not mutually exclusive. And while Trump may have been an absolute idiot at times, he was not weak. Biden is weak. Both abroad and home. Only the most ardent Democrats can't admit that.

It's time for both the old idiots to retire and get some new generational leadership, on both sides. We have a minimum age for becoming president. Why don't we have an age limit? Why should we have to decide between two men who are a stones throw away from a nursing home? Hell, throw some term limits for Congress in there and we might finally start fixing some things in Washington. 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

1 hour ago, hawkstwelve said:

Why would the Europeans not get firm with Putin when a Russian win in Ukraine would be a direct threat to their borders? It was a pretty widely held belief that if Putin won in Ukraine he wouldn't stop there. Poland, The Baltics, Moldova... If he had a decisive victory, he would have moved on to the next country. Thankfully that didn't happen, largely due to Western equipment and ammunition paired with the Ukrainian peoples astounding resolve. But it didn't take much strong arming from Biden to encourage Europe to defend itself through a proxy war in Ukraine. Basic geopolitics here, at least on the level we are discussing. No credit.

Why not take a hard line with Putin after he invaded Ukraine? Same reason they didn't take one before the invasion*: because it is economically inconvenient to do so. Germany in particular had cut a bunch of deals with Putin so they could use Russian natural gas to both shut down all their nuclear reactors and not ramp up coal mining like crazy. The whole fallout from the Russia/Ukraine war has hit many European economies quite hard.

 * The most recent invasion, that is. No hard line was taken after Putin grabbed Crimea.

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If I was to give Biden credit somewhere vis-a-vis Ukraine I would say he's done a fairly decent job at keeping the rhetoric and tone of our response at a low simmer. I think letting our weapons/ammunition do the talking is pretty important right now. He's called out certain particularly heinous acts but has otherwise kept fairly quiet. That's the right move.

Of course, this all could play into the “Biden is weak!” line because he prefers to hash out disagreements with allies quietly via back channels and not by publicly trading insults. (And yes, it is the right move, particularly in the current context.)

[MossMan]

Well alrighty then…

[Iceresistance]

12 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

We shall see. “Oh boy, we’ve really got Trump this time” is something like a scratched phonograph record.

Legend has it that the Media has been claiming that “Walls have been closing in on Trump” since he got elected in 2016!

[SnarkyGoblin]

11 hours ago, hawkstwelve said:

As to Trump and Putin, my qualms with Biden don't excuse Trump's idiotic statements and behaviors. They can both be idiots, it's not mutually exclusive. And while Trump may have been an absolute idiot at times, he was not weak. Biden is weak. Both abroad and home. Only the most ardent Democrats can't admit that.

What the f*ck does "weak" even mean in this context? You wrote a lot of text disagreeing with Rubus on that point, but I didn't read anything supporting your weak point.  Then you double down and claim "it's so obvious he's weak!"

Is it just part of the age narrative you are inundated with? 

And somehow the man who couldn't even publicly stand up for the US against Putin in Helsinki definitely isn't weak?!?  Makes no sense.

I agree with you on the age and term limits though. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

31 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

What the f*ck does "weak" even mean in this context? You wrote a lot of text disagreeing with Rubus on that point, but I didn't read anything supporting your weak point.  Then you double down and claim "it's so obvious he's weak!"

Is it just part of the age narrative you are inundated with? 

And somehow the man who couldn't even publicly stand up for the US against Putin in Helsinki definitely isn't weak?!?  Makes no sense.

I agree with you on the age and term limits though. 

The guy can hardly stand or put a sentence together. Looks pretty weak in an old feeble and near death kind of way. I still have a hard time believing he makes it to Election Day without being replaced because he’s no longer alive or just can’t go on. 

Edited June 7 by SilverFallsAndrew

[SnarkyGoblin]

34 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

The guy can hardly stand or put a sentence together. Looks pretty weak in an old feeble and near death kind of way. I still have a hard time believing he makes it to Election Day without being replaced because he’s no longer alive or just can’t go on. 

 

1 hour ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Is it just part of the age narrative you are inundated with? 

So I guess the answer to this is yes.

[SnarkyGoblin]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4024613-feinstein-expressed-confusion-over-kamala-harris-presiding-over-senate-report/

Now there's a case of someone (irresponsibly) refusing to let go.

[hawkstwelve]

56 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

What the f*ck does "weak" even mean in this context? You wrote a lot of text disagreeing with Rubus on that point, but I didn't read anything supporting your weak point.  Then you double down and claim "it's so obvious he's weak!"

Is it just part of the age narrative you are inundated with? 

And somehow the man who couldn't even publicly stand up for the US against Putin in Helsinki definitely isn't weak?!?  Makes no sense.

I agree with you on the age and term limits though. 

I'm not going to waste much breath trying to convince someone who can't already admit that Biden is a weak president. Again, even Democrats admit he's weak. This isn't a right-wing talking point. Multiple articles and pundits from across the political spectrum, including the Democrat's own fanboy Stephen Colbert, have brought up his weakness. If you can't admit that at this point, you are just a blind partisan hack.

Don't really care how much you might love ol Joe - he makes our country look like it's being run by a grandpa who can't remember which Congress person died, or where he's at, or what the President of South Korea is named, or how to complete a sentence. If it wasn't so embarrassing it'd actually be pretty sad.

Unfortunately the state of our politics in this country means old geezers like him can still get into the highest office.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/04/15/lucas-biden-looks-weak-to-the-world/

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-g7-appearance-gaffes-1801642

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2023/04/13/biden-ireland-gaffe-black-and-tans-makes-waves-england/11650836002/

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3674171-gop-seizes-on-biden-gaffes-to-attack-competence/

[SnarkyGoblin]

Friendly reminder that a Lt recently got 3 years in prison for knowingly taking/storing classified materials.  The materials were never even distributed.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2023/06/02/retired-air-force-officer-gets-3-years-for-having-classified-documents/

[Stormy]

On 6/5/2023 at 8:59 PM, Anti Marine Layer said:

It looked strange 

I saw a video of 'her' being painted.

[Anti Marine Layer]

Just now, Stormy said:

I saw a video of 'her' being painted.

I saw it too

[MossMan]

1 hour ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

The guy can hardly stand or put a sentence together. Looks pretty weak in an old feeble and near death kind of way. I still have a hard time believing he makes it to Election Day without being replaced because he’s no longer alive or just can’t go on. 

He’s been dead for about a year now! 

[Andie]

On 6/6/2023 at 6:00 AM, Andie said:

Back to the real $hit show.  ……… This might get Putin’s enemies attention  

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — The wall of a major dam in a part of southern Ukraine that Moscow controls collapsed Tuesday after a reported explosion, sending water gushing downriver and prompting dire warnings of ecological damage as officials from both sides in the war ordered residents to evacuate.

Ukraine accused Russian forces of blowing up the dam and hydroelectric power station, while Russian officials blamed Ukrainian military strikes in the contested area.

The fallout could have far-reaching consequences: flooding homes, streets and businesses downstream; depleting water levels upstream that help cool Europe’s largest nuclear power plant; and draining supplies of drinking water to the south in Crimea, which Russia illegally annexed.

A follow up on this insanity is a fairly large popular zoo was flooded. Many animals didn’t make it.  Drowned. 

You know if people want to make war they need to confine their actions to 1 species.  
But overall, Russia is committing a kind of suicide.  it’s a shame we can’t just give Putin a gun and let him finish himself. This dying by inches is too costly.  

[SnarkyGoblin]

8 hours ago, hawkstwelve said:

I'm not going to waste much breath trying to convince someone who can't already admit that Biden is a weak president. Again, even Democrats admit he's weak. This isn't a right-wing talking point. Multiple articles and pundits from across the political spectrum, including the Democrat's own fanboy Stephen Colbert, have brought up his weakness. If you can't admit that at this point, you are just a blind partisan hack.

Don't really care how much you might love ol Joe - he makes our country look like it's being run by a grandpa who can't remember which Congress person died, or where he's at, or what the President of South Korea is named, or how to complete a sentence. If it wasn't so embarrassing it'd actually be pretty sad.

Unfortunately the state of our politics in this country means old geezers like him can still get into the highest office.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/04/15/lucas-biden-looks-weak-to-the-world/

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-g7-appearance-gaffes-1801642

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2023/04/13/biden-ireland-gaffe-black-and-tans-makes-waves-england/11650836002/

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3674171-gop-seizes-on-biden-gaffes-to-attack-competence/

So being gaffe prone means he's weak? Thats a strange interpretation of the term. 

Do I really need to compile a list of gaffes by trump? Aka "not weak"?

 

[hawkstwelve]

Chris Christie will obviously never win the nomination (even Republicans don't really like him) but he might provide an interesting role within the primaries. It's plainly clear he sees his sole purpose as wiping Trump off the map the best he can. While his attacks might fall on deaf ears with the 20-30% of the base that stands with Trump no matter what, it might help the remaining Republican voters see Trump even more unfavorably than they already do. That can only help us never-Trump Republicans.

It might also force some candidates in the non-Trump lane that have so far been apprehensive to strike at the Kingmaker to start taking some shots more slyly under Christie's attacks. No longer will they need to stand (relatively) alone in openly criticizing Trump - they have someone they can duck behind as they lob their shots. It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out come the debates later this summer. 

[hawkstwelve]

I feel like this article is pretty on point.

https://www.newsweek.com/tim-scott-was-booed-telling-truth-view-black-americans-deserve-optimism-opinion-1804794

 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

1 hour ago, hawkstwelve said:

Chris Christie will obviously never win the nomination (even Republicans don't really like him) but he might provide an interesting role within the primaries. It's plainly clear he sees his sole purpose as wiping Trump off the map the best he can. While his attacks might fall on deaf ears with the 20-30% of the base that stands with Trump no matter what, it might help the remaining Republican voters see Trump even more unfavorably than they already do. That can only help us never-Trump Republicans.

It might also force some candidates in the non-Trump lane that have so far been apprehensive to strike at the Kingmaker to start taking some shots more slyly under Christie's attacks. No longer will they need to stand (relatively) alone in openly criticizing Trump - they have someone they can duck behind as they lob their shots. It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out come the debates later this summer. 

I think it’s going to take a loss in 2024 to drive it home to the GOP’s base that their party does not have much of a future with Trump.

[Andie]

The image of DeSantis is a winning image. Mature, young family, a Governor.  All the right buttons pushed.  
Now let’s see how his policies stack up.  I hope he isn’t one to tax like mad. Retirees just can’t bear it.   
His border policy will matter to a bulk of people.  
Too early to tell if he and Trump will be a real race.  

[Rubus Leucodermis]

1 hour ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

So being gaffe prone means he's weak? Thats a strange interpretation of the term. 

Do I really need to compile a list of gaffes by trump? Aka "not weak"?

Biden has been a stuttering (yes, he has a stutter, has had one since a child) gaffe machine since just about forever, and as he has aged, his opponents have had a field day portraying his speaking impediments as a sign of senility.

I wish the Democrats would choose a younger candidate, too, but there really is not much actual evidence that Biden is going senile. (Sen. Feinstein is another matter entirely.)

[hawkstwelve]

43 minutes ago, Andie said:

The image of DeSantis is a winning image. Mature, young family, a Governor.  All the right buttons pushed.  
Now let’s see how his policies stack up.  I hope he isn’t one to tax like mad. Retirees just can’t bear it.   
His border policy will matter to a bulk of people.  
Too early to tell if he and Trump will be a real race.  

I was really warming on DeSantis about a month ago. I liked the younger, family, military side of him. But then I really thought about it... I don't think I want any more manufactured culture wars and outrage over everything "the left" does. We get enough of that from the media, I'm tired of it coming from politicians too. It was fine at first with Trump back in 2016 but now it's just annoying. I'm tired of all the division, and hatred, and violence coming from both sides. I miss the days when we could disagree on everything but at the end of the day one fact was always true: we are all Americans. And that used to mean something other than what jersey you had on.

As I mentioned in a previous comment, there is a faction of fairly powerful countries that are becoming very comfortable with each other and they all want nothing but to see the demise of America. And guess what? They don't care if you're Republican or Democrat, gay or straight, black or white, man or woman or whatever else... They want all of us dead because we're Americans. That's what we're up against. Stop with the petty BS and start fixing shit and getting us in the strongest position we can before they decide to make a move.

Back to DeSantis - Pair his "war against woke" with his surprisingly non-conservative governmental beliefs (true conservative is limited goverment overreach into the private sector, among other things) and I'd much rather have someone like Nikki Haley or Tim Scott. Strong in their conservative beliefs and positions but empathetic and willing to listen and compromise with the other side. Oh, and not 1000 years old.

[hawkstwelve]

47 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

I think it’s going to take a loss in 2024 to drive it home to the GOP’s base that their party does not have much of a future with Trump.

That would make it 1 out of 5 elections for Trump's "winning, nothing but winning winning winning" record. 

I really hope it doesn't come to that and he'll get the hell outta here but something tells me you might be right.

[Andie]

All good points Hawk.  It’s troubling. 
I’ve hated the lack of skilled moderate experience.  Seems polarized positions is all people can grasp.  
No one really thinks things through. It’s all knee jerk policy.  

[hawkstwelve]

Interesting poll from Gallup showing social conservatism is on the rise and is at its highest point since 2012. Double-digit increases for middle aged adults and +6% in the 18-29 age bracket, which is encouraging to see.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/506765/social-conservatism-highest-decade.aspx

[SnarkyGoblin]

17 hours ago, hawkstwelve said:

Chris Christie will obviously never win the nomination (even Republicans don't really like him) but he might provide an interesting role within the primaries. It's plainly clear he sees his sole purpose as wiping Trump off the map the best he can. While his attacks might fall on deaf ears with the 20-30% of the base that stands with Trump no matter what, it might help the remaining Republican voters see Trump even more unfavorably than they already do. That can only help us never-Trump Republicans.

It might also force some candidates in the non-Trump lane that have so far been apprehensive to strike at the Kingmaker to start taking some shots more slyly under Christie's attacks. No longer will they need to stand (relatively) alone in openly criticizing Trump - they have someone they can duck behind as they lob their shots. It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out come the debates later this summer. 

I would also say Christie wants a cabinet position.  I don't think it's a completely a self-less act.

[SnarkyGoblin]

51 minutes ago, hawkstwelve said:

Interesting poll from Gallup showing social conservatism is on the rise and is at its highest point since 2012. Double-digit increases for middle aged adults and +6% in the 18-29 age bracket, which is encouraging to see.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/506765/social-conservatism-highest-decade.aspx

yeah, seeing that more americans hate on how other people live is very encouraging.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

21 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

yeah, seeing that more americans hate on how other people live is very encouraging.

Frankly, it’s hard to conclude much of anything from that poll other than what labels people prefer to ascribe to themselves. Because that is all it was: a poll about self-labeling. The actual beliefs beneath those labels were not examined.

When that’s been done, it often turns out there is a significant number of self-identified “conservative” voters who align closer with Democratic Party policies on the environment, helping the poor, management/labor issues, etc.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

Licht’s out at CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/07/media/chris-licht-cnn/index.html

[Anti Marine Layer]

32 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Licht’s out at CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/07/media/chris-licht-cnn/index.html

It is going to get darc

[hawkstwelve]

7 hours ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

I would also say Christie wants a cabinet position.  I don't think it's a completely a self-less act.

With a politician, almost nothing is ever a completely selfless act.

7 hours ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

yeah, seeing that more americans hate on how other people live is very encouraging.

So social conservatism only means you hate other people?

Man, hot take.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

Don’t look now but a certain someone just announced that he’s getting indicted a second time next week.

[hawkstwelve]

Not to lean into conspiracy theories but I will say it raises some eyebrows that they indict Trump on the exact same day Republicans finally view a FD-1023 form that allegedly details a bribery scheme involving the Biden family from a known credible source.

Must just be a pretty large coincidence.

[Andie]

44 minutes ago, hawkstwelve said:

Not to lean into conspiracy theories but I will say it raises some eyebrows that they indict Trump on the exact same day Republicans finally view a FD-1023 form that allegedly details a bribery scheme involving the Biden family from a known credible source.

Must just be a pretty large coincidence.

The full story on that deal is interesting. They were getting paid through like 11 different bank accounts.   
I know multimillionaires that only have like 3 accounts max.
That’s nuts. 11 .  
I wonder how many overseas accounts and strong boxes they have?  No doubt China has some stashed too.  Talk about a crime ring.  They were doing well.  Obama has certainly been silent.  

[Andie]

PS

They’re pulling J&J Covid shot off the market due to blood clots.  
Some 19 million Americans took a J&J shot.  
Wondering if they’ll pull the other 2?

[SnarkyGoblin]

2 hours ago, hawkstwelve said:

So social conservatism only means you hate other people?

Man, hot take.

I said hated how other Americans live. Don't put words in my mouth.

And there's plenty of evidence, some recent, and some less, like when George w. said he wanted a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.

But you be you and be proud of that hate.  It's what makes this country great.

[Anti Marine Layer]

1 hour ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Don’t look now but a certain someone just announced that he’s getting indicted a second time next week.

Is he hiding in your closet?

[Chewbacca Defense]

2 hours ago, hawkstwelve said:

Not to lean into conspiracy theories but I will say it raises some eyebrows that they indict Trump on the exact same day Republicans finally view a FD-1023 form that allegedly details a bribery scheme involving the Biden family from a known credible source.

Must just be a pretty large coincidence.

I don't work for the FBI, Justice Department, nor am I in the inner circle of the Biden family, so I can't say anything for certain, but given the bullshit and shenanigans the Republican party has spewing for a while now, I'm going to guess that the information is a big nothing-burger.

The actions of the Republican clown show has done nothing to lend one iota of credibility to their claims.  As has been said a few times on here, elect clowns you get a circus.

 

Having said that, when all is said and done, there may be something to it, and if there is, I hope it is pursued. 

At this point, any of the talking points being brought up here on Biden and this issue is MAGA party line BS.  There must be MAGA study sessions on ZOOM or something, or wait, maybe its Tucker Carlson, Fox, OAN and all of the other right wing propaganda specialists. 

[SnarkyGoblin]

2 hours ago, hawkstwelve said:

Not to lean into conspiracy theories but I will say it raises some eyebrows that they indict Trump on the exact same day Republicans finally view a FD-1023 form that allegedly details a bribery scheme involving the Biden family from a known credible source.

The nerve you have to accuse people on here being too partisan while posting this garbage.  Literally no one, including Barr while he was AG, said that it was credible.

This was TRUMP'S FBI:

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According to people familiar with the investigation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to detail sensitive information, the allegation in the document came to the FBI through the Pittsburgh field office, where Barr had created a channel for allegations involving Ukraine. That included materials Rudy Giuliani — who was then President Donald Trump’s personal attorney — had gathered from Ukrainian sources claiming to have damaging information about Biden and his family.

The allegation contained in the document was reviewed by the FBI at the time and was found to not be supported by facts, and the investigation was subsequently dropped with the Trump Justice Department’s sign-off, according to the people familiar with the investigation.

 

[SnarkyGoblin]

2 hours ago, hawkstwelve said:

Not to lean into conspiracy theories but I will say it raises some eyebrows that they indict Trump on the exact same day Republicans finally view a FD-1023 form that allegedly details a bribery scheme involving the Biden family from a known credible source.

Must just be a pretty large coincidence.

You're in good company with these comments!

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In a tweet reacting to the indictment Thursday, Rep. Matt Gaetz referenced an unverified allegation that President Joe Biden was involved in a bribery scheme involving a foreign national while vice president.

“Imagine being naive enough to believe that the Biden Bribe evidence and Trump indictment happening the same day was a coincidence.”

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene also mentioned allegations made against Biden, calling Thursday's indictment against Trump "shameful" and "pathetic."

 

 

[hawkstwelve]

31 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

The nerve you have to accuse people on here being too partisan while posting this garbage.  Literally no one, including Barr while he was AG, said that it was credible.

This was TRUMP'S FBI:

 

If the below is true, I don't think Rudy's source had worked for the FBI since 2010. So it's a different guy than who you're referencing there. Unless you know something I don't...

Fox News Digital has learned that the confidential human source has been used by the FBI as a regular, reliable source of information since 2010 and has been paid approximately $200,000 by the bureau.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-allegedly-paid-5-million-by-burisma-executive

[hawkstwelve]

1 hour ago, Chewbacca Defense said:

I don't work for the FBI, Justice Department, nor am I in the inner circle of the Biden family, so I can't say anything for certain, but given the bullshit and shenanigans the Republican party has spewing for a while now, I'm going to guess that the information is a big nothing-burger.

The actions of the Republican clown show has done nothing to lend one iota of credibility to their claims.  As has been said a few times on here, elect clowns you get a circus.

 

Having said that, when all is said and done, there may be something to it, and if there is, I hope it is pursued. 

At this point, any of the talking points being brought up here on Biden and this issue is MAGA party line BS.  There must be MAGA study sessions on ZOOM or something, or wait, maybe its Tucker Carlson, Fox, OAN and all of the other right wing propaganda specialists. 

Look, politics is ugly. I don't put anything past politicians. They will do whatever they can to tear down the other side and keep control of power. Both sides are guilty of it and this very well could be just another Republican ploy.

That being said, if news stories like the one on Fox News I posted above have any teeth to them, then there is definitely something there. If any of that is true, there needs to be a full-throated investigation into Biden. Unfortunately the mainstream media will bury it like crazy and it'll probably go nowhere. Sounds familiar...

[SnarkyGoblin]

On 6/2/2023 at 4:33 AM, Stormy said:

Another false narrative started by CNN! And who uses tapes these days? Lol

 

Not that you'll care about the truth.  All this trouble just to be able to brag to his friends?  What a loser.

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Former President Donald J. Trump declared at a meeting in July 2021, six months after leaving the White House, that a document in front of him was “classified” and “highly confidential,” according to a person briefed on the matter.

That meeting, with people helping his former chief of staff with a book, has been previously reported but new details of Mr. Trump’s specific comments appear to demonstrate explicitly that he was aware that materials he had taken with him from the White House included classified information. The recording is expected to be a key piece of evidence in the case against him that the special counsel Jack Smith brought this week, with seven counts related to his possession of reams of classified material.

Mr. Trump also indicated he couldn’t show the document to the people in front of him — many if not all of whom didn’t have security clearances that would allow them to see sensitive government material — and added, “As president, I could have declassified them, now I can’t,” according to the person briefed on the matter, who was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

Mr. Trump then said the document was “classified,” and a woman in the room replied, “Now we have a problem,” according to the person familiar with the recording.

Many details of what is said on the recording were reported earlier by CNN, which also first reported on the existence of the recording.

A spokesman for Mr. Trump did not immediately respond to an email about the new information.

The meeting took place in July 2021, by which time officials at the National Archives had already spent at least two months pressing Mr. Trump’s representatives on returning documents they believed he had in his possession.

The transcript demonstrates that Mr. Trump was not only aware he had sensitive material, but had it with him at his club at Bedminster, N.J., where the meeting took place, and that he knew he no longer had the power to declassify material.

Mr. Trump’s meeting was with two people helping Mark Meadows, the former chief of staff, with a memoir about his tenure in the White House. Aides to Mr. Trump also attended.

At the time, Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, whom Mr. Trump had appointed, had been a subject of multiple media portraits describing him as pressing back against an erratic president in the final months of the presidency.

Mr. Trump went on a tear about General Milley.

“Isn’t it amazing, I have a big pile of papers,” Mr. Trump said at one point. Papers could be heard rustling, and then Mr. Trump began appearing to point to a specific document, saying, “Look, this was him.” At another point he said, “This was the Defense Department and him.”

He described something in front of him as “like, highly confidential,” and maintained it was really General Milley who wanted to attack Iran (in fact, General Milley cautioned against such a move).

At one point Mr. Trump was interrupted, and a woman in the room could be heard on the recording referencing Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state whose email server Mr. Trump used as an attack line during the 2016 presidential campaign. Mr. Trump said Mrs. Clinton would send material “to Anthony Weiner, that pervert,” referring to the former congressman who was married to an aide to Mrs. Clinton.

Mr. Trump and his allies have repeatedly asserted that, while still in office, he had declassified all the material he took with him from the White House (though the charges may not rely on whether anything was classified). But his assertion appeared to be undercut by the recording.

“As president, I could have declassified them, now I can’t,” Mr. Trump was recorded saying, according to the person familiar with its contents. He then reiterated something was “classified” as he and one of the women in the room talked over each other, according to the person familiar with its contents.

“Isn’t that interesting? It’s so cool,” Mr. Trump said, adding, “You probably almost didn’t believe me, but now you believe me.”

 

[SnarkyGoblin]

11 hours ago, hawkstwelve said:

If the below is true, I don't think Rudy's source had worked for the FBI since 2010. So it's a different guy than who you're referencing there. Unless you know something I don't...

Fox News Digital has learned that the confidential human source has been used by the FBI as a regular, reliable source of information since 2010 and has been paid approximately $200,000 by the bureau.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-allegedly-paid-5-million-by-burisma-executive

What I wrote was an article that talked about the opening (and closing) of the Ukraine fishing expedition.  He got impeached for the same f'ing shenanigans, FFS.  If there was something actually there, you know D**n well Trump's FBI would NOT have let it go.

I just hope the journalistic rigor of "Fox News Digital" and the young author of that poorly written article stands up to the test of time.  I'll set a reminder for myself to check.

[Iceresistance]

Elon Musk is thinking the Trump is being targeted, and the majority in America will lose trust of the Justice system if this keep going.

 

(For some reason I can't copy a link over here because I'm using a certain device that doesn't like it)