Polite Politics

[SnarkyGoblin]

5 hours ago, Front Ranger said:

Yeah, that's what I've been saying in this topic for the last few weeks. The economy is the single biggest factor in any election. People really do vote with their wallets - though of course there are other issues that matter.

Reagan in the 80s: won two terms, first largely because the economy was in the dumps in the late 1970s, and second because there had been a furious recovery during his first term

First Bush early 90s: economy goes into recession, loses after first term

Clinton 90s: wins two terms as economy rapidly expands, along with .com bubble in second term

Bush two terms in 2000s: barely edges out Gore in closest election ever, then wins second term as economy is recovery quickly from .com bubble burst/recession

Obama two terms in 2010s: McCain and Republicans had no chance in 2008 as the Great Recession was setting in, and then Obama easily wins second term on back of recovery from said recession

Hillary 2016: economic recovery stalls somewhat during Obama's second term...although this was probably the election where the economy played the smallest role (along with 2000)

Trump 2020: covid crash, economy had started to recover by election time but still was a ton of uncertainty

 

I'm not convinced the economy is going to change so much that people feel it in their pockets by the election.  

That usually takes time, unless of course there's another global pandemic.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Good lord. 

https://www.ocregister.com/2024/08/05/jimmy-carter-100th-birthday-voting-kamala-harris/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_content=fb-ocregister&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwY2xjawEeJJtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHaPWT11Mde-mHJK-Jbw9lPH-qkAcs7nkibIADVO6etjkP8wgFtYXuqODUQ_aem_tyWBvQSkPpBTGdw0is9hEg

[SnarkyGoblin]

1 hour ago, Front Ranger said:

That's awkward.

Eagerly awaiting Tim's defense! (HINT: it wont' really be a defense, it will just be "Trump is dumb too")

What is there to defend?

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, SnarkyGoblin said:

What is there to defend?

That's right! Kimberle Crenshaw matters! 

The lesson to learn is WOKE and it's mind virus will never go away unless we completely destroy it and salt the earth where it once grew. 

[TacomaWx]

We live in a f*cking simulation. Could you imagine the future would be a former president meeting with some weird YouTube streamers? 
https://youtu.be/rf37aXpcwT4?si=roVyCV3Cw2YE0quS

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, TacomaWx said:

We live in a f*cking simulation. Could you imagine the future would be a former president meeting with some weird YouTube streamers? 
https://youtu.be/rf37aXpcwT4?si=roVyCV3Cw2YE0quS

OH GOOD LORD. Now I think I'm an undecided voter. But then I read RFK Jr. dumped a dead bear cub in Central Park. LOL

[Hoosier]

20 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Good lord. 

https://www.ocregister.com/2024/08/05/jimmy-carter-100th-birthday-voting-kamala-harris/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_content=fb-ocregister&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwY2xjawEeJJtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHaPWT11Mde-mHJK-Jbw9lPH-qkAcs7nkibIADVO6etjkP8wgFtYXuqODUQ_aem_tyWBvQSkPpBTGdw0is9hEg

Remarkable that he's hung on this long.

[TacomaWx]

9 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

OH GOOD LORD. Now I think I'm an undecided voter. But then I read RFK Jr. dumped a dead bear cub in Central Park. LOL

All 3 candidates are wack AF. It all feels like a cruel joke 

[Front Ranger]

37 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

I'm not convinced the economy is going to change so much that people feel it in their pockets by the election.  

That usually takes time, unless of course there's another global pandemic.

I'm not convinced a lot of people aren't already feeling it.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

Big down day in the financial markets today.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Big down day in the financial markets today.

Bargain hunters will be out tomorrow.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

9 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Bargain hunters will be out tomorrow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficient-market_hypothesis

[Andie]

1 hour ago, Front Ranger said:

I'm not convinced a lot of people aren't already feeling it.

Feeling it gentlemen.   
We had water damage on our kitchen floor and as 2/3 of the house is done in the same material, we must replace it all. The deductible is gob smacking!

[Deweydog]

1 hour ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Bargain hunters will be out tomorrow.

I already am!

[Andie]

2 weeks since Kamala was selected:

0 interviews
0 press conferences
0 unscripted media events

The basement strategy is in full swing.

[Front Ranger]

1 hour ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Bargain hunters will be out tomorrow.

The stock market since QE commenced has taught people to think any dip is a "bargain". Won't stay that way forever.

The oracle of Omaha certainly doesn't think there's many bargains to be had right now: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/03/warren-buffetts-berkshire-hathaway-sold-nearly-half-its-stake-in-apple.html

[Groundhog]

1 minute ago, Andie said:

2 weeks since Kamala was selected:

0 interviews
0 press conferences
0 unscripted media events

The basement strategy is in full swing.

A regional war is imminent in the Middle East, the economy is in meltdown, where is leadership? Where’s the Commander In Chief? Who is the Commander In Chief. I was told the adults were back when this administration came to power. Too busy with Rupauls drag show, I guess. Much like the Prime Minister here in Canada who disappeared for a month in the midst of domestic and foreign crisis only to magically appear publicly at a pride parade yesterday. 

[Andie]

The children are in charge of the classroom.  
 

Meanwhile, back at the ranch….

We currently have 3 contenders who have been under consideration as her vice presidential pick — Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz.   
Oh brother….i wonder if she’ll go for the astronaut factor?

[Anti Marine Layer]

7 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

That's the exact opposite of the traditional standards of debate, my entitled one.

Burden of proof lies on the individual making the assertion.

But really, when a gish gallop is concerned, debate isn't the point. It's just a rhetorical cheap shot.

A number of points in that gish gallop could have been a logical starting point for a discussion IF IT APPEARED BY ITSELF instead of as part of a torrent of rhetoric, much but not all of it nonfactual.

So long as you appear uninterested in actual discussion, I will post that you appear to be such.

Cheers!

Well, you're the one who denies CRT is influenced by Marxism, even when one of its founders, Richard Delgado, openly states he's a Marxist

You're the one who doesn't see any parallels between dividing people into oppressor/oppressed groups whether you're comparing "business owners vs workers" or "white people vs. people of color" and stereotyping all members of group A (the oppressors) and group B (the oppressed) to fit those labels.

And you think it's democratic for government to steal from the rich/privileged so that they end up in the same place as the poor/marginalized. But it probably would be less democratic for you if Bernie would voluntarily give up 2 of his 3 houses to the homeless 

You're the one accusing me of overusing the word Marxist in my posts while in your blog it says fascist in almost every post

One of the posts I posted actual links to left-wing sites proving some of the claims the right-wingers make about them, but you still said it was gish gallop.

 

 

[Iceresistance]

OOF 
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/05/business/google-loses-antitrust-lawsuit-doj/index.html

[Hoosier]

1 hour ago, Andie said:

2 weeks since Kamala was selected:

0 interviews
0 press conferences
0 unscripted media events

The basement strategy is in full swing.

I honestly don't think she can duck the press for too much longer.  Obviously she has fans in the media, but they don't like being snubbed either.

[Anti Marine Layer]

Another fun fact about Kamala. She obviously is thrilled by the quote "We can see what can be unburdened by what has been"

Kamala likes the above quote

[Andie]

51 minutes ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

Another fun fact about Kamala. She obviously is thrilled by the quote "We can seen what can be unburdened by what has been"

Kamala likes the above quote

Reminds me of “Deep Thoughts”

And who the Devil said this brilliance originally?

[Iceresistance]

Uhhhhhh

 

[Hoosier]

8 minutes ago, Iceresistance said:

Uhhhhhh

 

Krazy Kamala will start bombing Republican towns and cities before you know it.

[GHweatherChris]

Time for the Russian/Mexican army intrusion to begin........

Edited August 6 by GHweatherChris

[SilverFallsAndrew]

24 minutes ago, Iceresistance said:

Uhhhhhh

 

Oh.

[Mercurial]

She's not only one of our dumbest candidates in history.  She's also a psycho.  That's great.  

[snow_wizard]

16 hours ago, TT-SEA said:

That was too easy.   You can't mock Kamala's IQ without acknowledging Trump is probably lower.   

Trump is very transactional and IQ doesn't determine success but most teenagers can produce more coherent social media posts and speak in more logical sentences.   You would obviously be able to see this if Trump was anyone else on the planet except for your presidential candidate.  

I would bet my house that your IQ is significantly higher than Trump.  

 

I think it's far from obvious what Trump's IQ is.   It would be interesting to know.  I think mine is about 135.

[snow_wizard]

17 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Oh.

Yikes.

[snow_wizard]

3 hours ago, Andie said:

The children are in charge of the classroom.  
 

Meanwhile, back at the ranch….

We currently have 3 contenders who have been under consideration as her vice presidential pick — Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz.   
Oh brother….i wonder if she’ll go for the astronaut factor?

From what I've seen Mark Kelly is an unhinged Trump hater.  Might be a bit overboard for what she needs.

[snow_wizard]

The truth about Kamala is going to explode soon enough.  Way too much nasty stuff to suppress.  

[snow_wizard]

I'm seeing estimates online that state Trump's IQ is probably at least 156.  He does display signs of having a high IQ in spite of what his haters have to say.  The way he can effortlessly riff at a rally for over an hour for instance.  People just can't get past his rough around the edges New York behavior.  

[StormchaserChuck1]

He doesn't have the qualifications at a leader to be the president though. No one does. The system isn't really built toward mastering the thing through experience. There is too much time and work with book study, and people that shouldn't have power are in positions of authority. At least in the old days when there was always war, they had something to latch onto. Hard to be a good leader these days when we are so disconnected from surveillance systems. The technological boom slowed after WW1 and WW2, now it's a popularity contest. 

The way he puts himself under the stock market is just.. WOW.. does he know that everyone pays 30% of their money to the government? 

[StormchaserChuck1]

The fact that he was president for 4 years and is making posts on Twitter about the stock market tells me he is pretty out of it.. He wasn't even right! The price dropped, but volume spiked greater than the rate of drop. That is a bull market signal. 

[snow_wizard]

6 minutes ago, StormchaserChuck1 said:

The fact that he was president for 4 years and is making posts on Twitter about the stock market tells me he is pretty out of it.. He wasn't even right! The price dropped, but volume spiked greater than the rate of drop. That is a bull market signal. 

I totally agree he needs to get off this stock market kick he's on.  It's probably going to come back in the coming weeks.  then what?

[StormchaserChuck1]

1 hour ago, snow_wizard said:

I totally agree he needs to get off this stock market kick he's on.  It's probably going to come back in the coming weeks.  then what?

He thinks it's up partly to do with him. Or at least, he communicates such. He needs to back off of that.. be a leader.. 

Side not, but what's crazy is he was going to finish his 4-year term with the market up, then COVID hit, and the market came down exactly to where it was before his presidency. Took the whole "up stock market during Trump" out, covid19. The market went from 3400 to 2100 in a few weeks. stopped right at his election point for the bottom. crazy. 

[TT-SEA]

4 hours ago, snow_wizard said:

I'm seeing estimates online that state Trump's IQ is probably at least 156.  He does display signs of having a high IQ in spite of what his haters have to say.  The way he can effortlessly riff at a rally for over an hour for instance.  People just can't get past his rough around the edges New York behavior.  

That was totally debunked and rough edges is the not issue.   Did Sean Hannity make that estimate?  That is such a joke.  It's not about being tough or mean.  It's that his use of the English language is just so limited and simple and not by choice.  When he tries to use more complex words and thoughts he falls on his face.  His riffing is just middle school bully stuff and not any sign of intelligence.  Likely the exact opposite. 

Trump has been obsessed with his IQ for decades and bragging (with his limited use of language) that he is so smart.  He has the best words!  So take the test and prove it.  But he knows it would go very badly and in true con man fashion it's better to keep reality under wraps.   His IQ is low.  

[TT-SEA]

And I am not saying don't vote for him.  That is fine given the choice we have between two less than brilliant candidates.  But don't tell me Trump has a high IQ.   If he did he could prove it in about an hour... rather than just talk about it for 30 years and never take the test.   Just be honest about it.   

[TT-SEA]

Interesting I am in MN for the selection of Walz.   Local news here going crazy and not saying its good news.   No idea why she picked him.   My MN family is saying it's a bad choice.    Probably partially because now the focus will be on Minnesota problems.