Polite Politics

[SilverFallsAndrew]

7 minutes ago, Reg said:

An actual war crime in progress.

No, This is what’s called F around find out. 

Is that the face of a man you would mess with? 

Edited October 9, 2023 by SilverFallsAndrew

[SilverFallsAndrew]

46 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

WWJD

Well Jews aren't concerned with this. Time for some Old Testament justice.

[Iceresistance]

30 minutes ago, Reg said:

An actual war crime in progress.

Are you saying that the Hamas did not commit the war crimes by systematic slaughtering of the Israelis when they invaded Israel just because they are from Israel?

 

Israel has no other choice, they don't want to be viewed as weak.

[hawkstwelve]

Again, that is enough of this topic. Re-hashing intricate Middle East relationships, history, wars, etc. does not correlate to what the topic of this thread outlines and can quickly lead to some questionably racist, anti-semitic, unnecessarily religious posts. There's already been an inkling of this from some users. I will start hiding any further responses or comments that pertain to Israel and Palestine. If comments continue, I will make this thread require post approval before anything else can be posted or maybe just lock it outright altogether. 

Move on. 

[SnarkyGoblin]

Color me surprised.

NY times article

[SnarkyGoblin]

3 minutes ago, hawkstwelve said:

Again, that is enough of this topic. Re-hashing intricate Middle East relationships, history, wars, etc. does not correlate to what the topic of this thread outlines and can quickly lead to some questionably racist, anti-semitic, unnecessarily religious posts. There's already been an inkling of this from some users. I will start hiding any further responses or comments that pertain to Israel and Palestine. If comments continue, I will make this thread require post approval before anything else can be posted or maybe just lock it outright altogether. 

Move on. 

Not sure I agree with this given its historical significance but ok.  

Isn't this thread about politics/current events?

Talking about stuff none of us are experts in is essentially most of this thread.  Where's Jared Kushner when you need him?

[Reg]

[hawkstwelve]

1 minute ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Not sure I agree with this given its historical significance but ok.  

Isn't this thread about politics/current events?

Talking about stuff none of us are experts in is essentially most of this thread.  Where's Jared Kushner when you need him?

This thread is about politics. That's my point. It's not a Middle East thread. There is a large difference between debating what makes today's Republican Party stupid or how America is run by people who should be in a nursing home and claiming innocent people should die, or claiming other users are disgusting animals who condone apartheid states. Those are not equal discussions. 

I've already received a couple reports of problematic posts in this thread regarding this topic just in the past couple days, after not receiving any reports for quite a while. I don't really feel like wading into the waters of determining what posts are OK and what posts aren't. I try to moderate with an even hand which in this case means not choosing sides but rather not entertaining posts on this topic in general.

13 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Color me surprised.

NY times article

For reference, this type of article/post I can let slide. It directly relates to US politics, doesn't sling mud on to other users, and isn't filled with a bunch of subjective armchair analysis that wades into questionable territory. If there was a line people want to walk on in regards to this topic, this would be how to do it. 

[roadtonowhere08]

I've said all I want.  Reg said the rest nicely.  I'm stupefied.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

At this stage, I’m most interested in who put Hamas up to it.

Because it just doesn’t make sense in any other context.

Just look at it from a realpolitik angle. You’re Palestinian, you want your homeland back. Is it really a practical strategy to try and get it back by invading and occupying Israel, who possesses what is indisputably the most powerful military in the region? Provoke a fighting war with Israel and Hamas loses. There really is no other realistic outcome.

Someone put Hamas up to it, by playing on their hatred for Israel.

That someone does not have the Palestinian (or even the Hamas) best interest at heart, because as I said earlier, the only realistic outcome one can anticipate is that Hamas will lose and lots of Palestinians will suffer.

So, who could have put Hamas up to it, and why did they do it?

[SilverFallsAndrew]

4 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

At this stage, I’m most interested in who put Hamas up to it.

Because it just doesn’t make sense in any other context.

Just look at it from a realpolitik angle. You’re Palestinian, you want your homeland back. Is it really a practical strategy to try and get it back by invading and occupying Israel, who possesses what is indisputably the most powerful military in the region? Provoke a fighting war with Israel and Hamas loses. There really is no other realistic outcome.

Someone put Hamas up to it, by playing on their hatred for Israel.

That someone does not have the Palestinian (or even the Hamas) best interest at heart, because as I said earlier, the only realistic outcome one can anticipate is that Hamas will lose and lots of Palestinians will suffer.

So, who could have put Hamas up to it, and why did they do it?

Iran pretty obviously supplied the logistics. They could have been encouraged by Russia. 

This definitely benefits Russia, the Ukrainian counteroffensive has failed, "resolve" in the West is fading for that conflict, and now concern in the US and UK especially will shift towards Israel.

Also this blows up the Saudi peace deal, which would have further isolated Iran in the region. 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

15 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Iran pretty obviously supplied the logistics. They could have been encouraged by Russia. 

This definitely benefits Russia, the Ukrainian counteroffensive has failed, "resolve" in the West is fading for that conflict, and now concern in the US and UK especially will shift towards Israel.

Also this blows up the Saudi peace deal, which would have further isolated Iran in the region. 

Agreed. Iran and/or Russia would have to be the two chief suspects.

If Russia’s fingerprints are shown to be on this, one of the outcomes could be Israeli aid for Ukraine. So far, Israel has refused to supply its Iron Dome anti-missile defense system technology to Ukraine, despite being asked to multiple times.

[Chewbacca Defense]

3 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

At this stage, I’m most interested in who put Hamas up to it.

Because it just doesn’t make sense in any other context.

Just look at it from a realpolitik angle. You’re Palestinian, you want your homeland back. Is it really a practical strategy to try and get it back by invading and occupying Israel, who possesses what is indisputably the most powerful military in the region? Provoke a fighting war with Israel and Hamas loses. There really is no other realistic outcome.

Someone put Hamas up to it, by playing on their hatred for Israel.

That someone does not have the Palestinian (or even the Hamas) best interest at heart, because as I said earlier, the only realistic outcome one can anticipate is that Hamas will lose and lots of Palestinians will suffer.

So, who could have put Hamas up to it, and why did they do it?

My money is on Iran.  Israel and Saudi Arabia were entering into discussions to normalize relations, and that's not good for Iranian interests.  Israel and Saudi Arabia both have strong economies, (in the context of the Middle East), so if those 2 countries find peace, it would only enhance their economies, leaving Iran in the dust. 

There is also the fact that the country that is home to the 2 most holy sites of Islam making peace with the "Zionist pigs" of Israel.  Can you think of a greater offense to a fanatical religious Islamic country like Iran, and a fanatical religious terrorist group like Hamas?  Even though I'm sure they see the Saudi's actions as a great betrayal, they sure as heck can't attack Saudi Arabia...at least the way they are attacking Israel.

[Reg]

This article appears to have been published just hours before or possibly during the exact start of Operation al-Aqsa Flood on October 7 (possibly unbeknownst to the editor). Despite Iran's extensive influence on Palestinian resistance groups, Iran is not mentioned even once in the article. 

Frustration bubbles among Palestinians over Israeli-Saudi normalization - Al-Monitor

[Reg]

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 hour ago, Reg said:

This is incredibly offensive. The Jews in the  Warsaw ghetto were not trying to perpetuate a genocide. 

Edited October 10, 2023 by SilverFallsAndrew

[Andie]

As always simply ask, “Who benefits?”

[Rubus Leucodermis]

18 minutes ago, Andie said:

As always simply ask, “Who benefits?”

Certainly not ordinary civilians on either side.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

5 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

This is incredibly offensive. The Jews in the  Warsaw ghetto were not trying to perpetuate a genocide. 

I cannot imagine any more effective means of ensuring a massive Israeli retaliation than doing stuff like what Hamas did in Kibbutz Be'eri.

As such, it seems logical to conclude that either Hamas or some third party putting Hamas up to it wanted a massive Israeli retaliation.

 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 minute ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

I cannot imagine any more effective means of ensuring a massive Israeli retaliation than doing stuff like what Hamas did in Kibbutz Be'eri.

As such, it seems logical to conclude that either Hamas or some third party putting Hamas up to it wanted a massive Israeli retaliation.

 

I agree. There is something bigger and more sinister at play that we do not yet understand. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Interesting perspective. 

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/why-iran-deal-matters

[Iceresistance]

NOTE: This is my opinion, and it does not have any media backup.

 

I strongly believe that Israel should not harm innocent Palestinians if/when they get into Gaza, as Palestine was also brutalized by Hamas. The Palestinians are not "Sub-human" or "Wild Animal-like" like some have been suggesting. It's the Hamas that are "animal-like" and those who are doing this kind of genocidal-like violence against innocent Israelis.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 hour ago, Iceresistance said:

NOTE: This is my opinion, and it does not have any media backup.

 

I strongly believe that Israel should not harm innocent Palestinians if/when they get into Gaza, as Palestine was also brutalized by Hamas. The Palestinians are not "Sub-human" or "Wild Animal-like" like some have been suggesting. It's the Hamas that are "animal-like" and those who are doing this kind of genocidal-like violence against innocent Israelis.

They did elect Hamas to lead them. Then Hamas generally purged all opposition. I agree generally, but your statement is the same as absolving all German citizens from 1933-45 of what the Nazis did. The two are linked. At this point there is a difference without a distinction. But yes, obviously Israel should not intentionally harm non combatants if that can be determined. Collateral damage is the responsibility of Hamas. 

Edited October 10, 2023 by SilverFallsAndrew

[Reg]

Interesting to see that the whole "anti-woke" right-wing in the US is suddenly using that precise "woke identity politic" state of mind to defend Israel and its crimes against humanity at any cost, now that it has suddenly become politically convenient for them. They were never anti-war, they were only anti-Ukraine war because they had made it a partisan issue within the United States political landscape. The "anti-woke" agenda was always largely a cover for racism and discrimination against minority groups.

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights calling Israel out now for blatantly violating international law. Getting harder and harder for anyone to defend Israel's brutal apartheid outside of the most staunchly pro-Zionist Western circles (particularly in government). The soft "Maybe Israel shouldn't be doing X" argument is meaningless because they are already doing it and have been for some time, this is and has been thoroughly documented, filmed, and archived.

Reports that Egypt is sending a massive humanitarian convoy towards its border with Gaza, against Israeli demands.

[SnarkyGoblin]

26 minutes ago, Reg said:

Interesting to see that the whole "anti-woke" right-wing in the US is suddenly using that precise "woke identity politic" state of mind to defend Israel and its crimes against humanity at any cost, now that it has suddenly become politically convenient for them. They were never anti-war, they were only anti-Ukraine war because they had made it a partisan issue within the United States political landscape. The "anti-woke" agenda was always largely a cover for racism and discrimination against minority groups.

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights calling Israel out now for blatantly violating international law. Getting harder and harder for anyone to defend Israel's brutal apartheid outside of the most staunchly pro-Zionist Western circles (particularly in government). The soft "Maybe Israel shouldn't be doing X" argument is meaningless because they are already doing it and have been for some time, this is and has been thoroughly documented, filmed, and archived.

Reports that Egypt is sending a massive humanitarian convoy towards its border with Gaza, against Israeli demands.

So the problem I have with this and your other posts (I never reported anyone on this topic) is that you only seem to call out Israel's bad acting.  In fact, I don't know if you called out what Hamas recently did on here.  You're only calling out Israel's reaction to what Hamas did.

Just from reading what you write/post on this particular topic, it's not a great look.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

7 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

So the problem I have with this and your other posts (I never reported anyone on this topic) is that you only seem to call out Israel's bad acting.  In fact, I don't know if you called out what Hamas recently did on here.  You're only calling out Israel's reaction to what Hamas did.

Just from reading what you write/post on this particular topic, it's not a great look.

I could be confusing Reg with someone else, but I think they are far right… Just putting that out there without comment. 

Edited October 10, 2023 by SilverFallsAndrew

[Iceresistance]

Just imagine the mainstream media and Biden thinking a blowout win against Trump, and this happens...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-wins-generic-vote-big-30-democrats-back-him

[SilverFallsAndrew]

3 minutes ago, Iceresistance said:

Just imagine the mainstream media and Biden thinking a blowout win against Trump, and this happens...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-wins-generic-vote-big-30-democrats-back-him

A lot of Black folks see what Trump is going through right now and can personally relate. 

[SnarkyGoblin]

1 hour ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

A lot of Black folks see what Trump is going through right now and can personally relate. 

You mean getting away with doing whatever he wants for his entire life?  

You mean being born into generational wealth and still needing to break the law?

You mean being accused of crimes with mounds and mounds of evidence?

What exactly do 'black folks' find themselves in trump right now?

[SnarkyGoblin]

1 hour ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

A lot of Black folks see what Trump is going through right now and can personally relate. 

Read better writers.

Quote

Former President Trump is pushing his mug shot, arrests and criminal charges to try to claim new solidarity with Black voters — a group that has largely shunned him in elections.

Why it matters: Trump has latched on to a narrative promoted last month by Fox News commentators and others in conservative media — that his arrests could boost his standing among African Americans who believe the criminal justice system is unfair.

The big picture: There's little evidence he's getting an indictment bump among Black voters, despite his claim that support rose after the mug shot from his arrest in Atlanta was released.

• But his team believes he can make inroads with Black voters by pushing an I-am-a-victim-just-like-you storyline.

Zoom in: Trump claimed in a recent interview with conservative host Hugh Hewitt that his poll numbers among Black voters "have gone up four and five times" since his mug shot was released.

• That's not true, as CNN reported.
• And it's unclear whether Trump's favorability with Black voters has increased beyond the 8% or so share he received in 2020. (Recent polls have suggested Trump's support among Blacks is improving, but pre-election polls in 2020 overstated his support.)

 

[SnarkyGoblin]

Op-Ed by George Will

Tim Scott, please drop out, urge others to follow and unite behind Haley

https://wapo.st/46BcaoY

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 hour ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

You mean getting away with doing whatever he wants for his entire life?  

You mean being born into generational wealth and still needing to break the law?

You mean being accused of crimes with mounds and mounds of evidence?

What exactly do 'black folks' find themselves in trump right now?

Being abused by the criminal justice system.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

13 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Op-Ed by George Will

Tim Scott, please drop out, urge others to follow and unite behind Haley

https://wapo.st/46BcaoY

Why should Tim Scott drop out? Why can’t Haley drop out and endorse Scott? 
 

Many are saying if Trump is unable to run do to health or being in prison, he will negotiate for Scott to be the nominee, as he will never accept DeSantis or Haley. 

[Iceresistance]

3 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Why should Tim Scott drop out? Why can’t Haley drop out and endorse Scott? 
 

Many are saying if Trump is unable to run do to health or being in prison, he will negotiate for Scott to be the nominee, as he will never accept DeSantis or Haley. 

Haley is now better than DeSantis, and if she wins the nominee, it would be the upset of the century!

[roadtonowhere08]

Regarding Reg, my estimation is that he is speaking up about the often underreported atrocities that the average Palestinians face at the hands of the Israeli military complex.  It is beyond obvious that this part of the equation is hidden by the average U.S. news outlet because we are strong historical allies with Israel.  I am fairly certain he is taking this slant because the atrocities at the hands of Hamas and other insane Muslim militant groups are plastered from wall to wall from CNN to Newsmax every chance they get.  I do not get the impression at all that he is pro Hamas or pro any Muslim militant group, but he can answer that any way he wishes obviously.

My objection is that when someone speaks up about Israel, all too often they are labeled and "anti-Semite" or pro Hamas or whatever.  That is a very real and present problem.  It is a cheap way to shut people up and disarm any of their valid arguments.  When someone speaks out against both Hamas and Israel, lots of people only focus on the Israel criticism and, like it or not, it breeds intense resentment from those who can see both sides of the equation.  People need to deal with their tribalistic biases and stop projecting onto others who are more objective and less emotionally invested in the matter.

I am not religious in the slightest, so I could care less about any prophesies or perceived destinies from any side.  There are many facets to this issue.  These include:

1. The Balfour Declaration: The British cynically gaining the support, sway, and money from Jews in Europe and Russia to help them win WWI

2. Promising and acquiring occupied land for Jews to establish as their homeland after WWII no matter what conflicts it created.  A lot of Jews moved from the Palestine area into Europe and did very well there.  That's what bred a lot of resentment that led up to the Holocaust.  And let's be real here: it was anti-Semitism that prevented a lot of Jews from settling into other countries during and after WWII.

3. After Israel's establishment, they always had the backing from the West based on the events of WWII as well as being able to have influence in the area monetarily and militarily.  Our aid packages, large military contracts, and commerce agreements in Israel is great for the U.S.'s bottom line.  We're not doing this out of charity. 

4. Israel is also an enormous proxy conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia.  It's part of the greater Shia/Sunni divide.

5. Over the decades, because of the constant conflict between Muslim militant groups and Israel, it has become a pseudo alliance system a-la WWI all over again with the U.S. arming Israel to the teeth for the reasons stated in #3 and Iran and other smaller players arming groups like Hamas with enough weaponry to be a huge pain in Israel's rear and a threat to innocent Israeli citizens living near the West Bank and Gaza.

6. This lopsided support system has lead to Israel having an enormous military and economic advantage in the area to where there is infrastructure like today: Palestinians walled off from the surrounding area, extreme travel restrictions, extreme surveillance and defense systems, illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land, and a literal apartheid system in Israel.  You do not have to like it.  You do not agree with the assessment.  But that's what it is.

7. Number 6 is in part a result of players like Iran arming groups like Hamas who then go on to blow up, kill, disfigure, rape, torture, kidnap, whatever... innocent civilians in an attempt to terrorize Israelis.  That only strengthens the resolve of the Israelis like it would us here in the U.S. and only makes things worse.  What does not get mentioned in the news though is that while groups like Hamas love to parade their victims around for all cameras to see to generate disgust, Israel's military is smarter and does their dirty work behind closed doors.  Does it match the barbarism of groups like Hamas?  I am betting not, but I am sure it does happen sometimes and there is no denying the enormous disparity of deaths between Palestinians and Israelis.

8. So who is to blame?  Not the average moderate/liberal Palestinian or Israeli. 

Palestinians:  On one hand, you have Groups like Hamas and their enablers like Iran who stand to benefit from the chaos.  Hamas are brainwashed civilians who have seen too much blood and violence and are convinced that Israel is the devil and needs to be erased.  They subscribe to a bastardized version of Islam that claims as such.  This generational poverty and exposure to violence breeds new members of Hamas and the cycle continues.

Israelis:  On the other hand, you have the Israeli military and their enablers like the U.S. who stand to benefit politically and financially.  Israel has made it their policy, based on their actions, to imprison the Palestinians and blockade their imports/exports so they have no chance to prosper in the name of security and containments of threats.  Jewish and Christian Zionists are also to blame.  Jewish Zionists believe that Israel belongs to them because it is their homeland, current inhabitants be damned.  Christian Zionists believe that a Jewish holy land will bring back Christ.  That only makes current things worse.  This constant violence and killing of innocent Israeli civilians breeds more Israeli hardliners based on the actions of groups like Hamas and the cycle continues.

So how can this be fixed?  As long as current things continue, it's not going to happen anytime soon.  No idea.  Too much money and power invested in each "side".

 

Now I have said my piece.  If anyone still thinks I am an anti-Semite, ignorant on the matter, or am biased, well, they can pound sand for all I care.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Got an end times vibe walking the mall this evening. 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

55 minutes ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

Regarding Reg, my estimation is that he is speaking up about the often underreported atrocities that the average Palestinians face at the hands of the Israeli military complex.  It is beyond obvious that this part of the equation is hidden by the average U.S. news outlet because we are strong historical allies with Israel.  I am fairly certain he is taking this slant because the atrocities at the hands of Hamas and other insane Muslim militant groups are plastered from wall to wall from CNN to Newsmax every chance they get.  I do not get the impression at all that he is pro Hamas or pro any Muslim militant group, but he can answer that any way he wishes obviously.

My objection is that when someone speaks up about Israel, all too often they are labeled and "anti-Semite" or pro Hamas or whatever.  That is a very real and present problem.  It is a cheap way to shut people up and disarm any of their valid arguments.  When someone speaks out against both Hamas and Israel, lots of people only focus on the Israel criticism and, like it or not, it breeds intense resentment from those who can see both sides of the equation.  People need to deal with their tribalistic biases and stop projecting onto others who are more objective and less emotionally invested in the matter.

I am not religious in the slightest, so I could care less about any prophesies or perceived destinies from any side.  There are many facets to this issue.  These include:

1. The Balfour Declaration: The British cynically gaining the support, sway, and money from Jews in Europe and Russia to help them win WWII

2. Promising and acquiring occupied land for Jews to established as their homeland after WWII no matter what conflicts it created.  A lot of Jews moved from the Palestine area into Europe and did very well there.  That's what bred a lot of resentment that led up to the Holocaust.  And let's be real here: it was anti-Semitism that prevented a lot of Jews from settling into other countries during and after WWII.

3. After Israel's establishment, they always had the backing from the West based on the events of WWII as well as being able to have influence in the area monetarily and militarily.  Our aid packages, large military contracts, and commerce agreements in Israel is great for the U.S.'s bottom line.  We're not doing this out of charity. 

4. Israel is also an enormous proxy conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia.  It's part of the greater Shia/Sunni divide.

5. Over the decades, because of the constant conflict between Muslim militant groups and Israel, it has become a pseudo alliance system a-la WWI all over again with the U.S. arming Israel to the teeth for the reasons stated in #3 and Iran and other smaller players arming groups like Hamas with enough weaponry to be a huge pain in Israel's rear and a threat to innocent Israeli citizens living near the West Bank and Gaza.

6. This lopsided support system has lead to Israel having an enormous military and economic advantage in the area to where there is infrastructure like today: Palestinians walled off from the surrounding area, extreme travel restrictions, extreme surveillance and defense systems, illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land, and a literal apartheid system in Israel.  You do not have to like it.  You do not agree with it.  But that's what it is.

7. Number 6 is in part a result of players like Iran arming groups like Hamas who then go on to blow up, kill, disfigure, rape, torture, kidnap, whatever... innocent civilians in an attempt to terrorize Israelis.  That only strengthens the resolve of the Israelis like it would us here in the U.S. and only makes things worse.  What does not get mentioned in the news though is that while groups like Hamas love to parade their victims around for all cameras to see to generate disgust, Israel's military is smarter and does their dirty work behind closed doors.  Does it match the barbarism of groups like Hamas?  I am betting not, but I am sure it does happen sometimes and there is no denying the enormous disparity of deaths between Palestinians and Israelis.

8. So who is to blame?  Not the average moderate/liberal Palestinian or Israeli. 

Palestinians:  On one hand, you have Groups like Hamas and their enablers like Iran who stand to benefit from the chaos.  Hamas are brainwashed civilians who have seen too much blood and violence and are convinced that Israel is the devil and needs to be erased.  They subscribe to a bastardized version of Islam that claims as such.  This generational poverty and exposure to violence breeds new members of Hamas and the cycle continues.

Israelis:  On the other hand, you have the Israeli military and their enablers like the U.S. who stand to benefit politically and financially.  Israel has made it their policy, based on their actions, to imprison the Palestinians and blockade their imports/exports so they have no chance to prosper in the name of security and containments of threats.  Jewish and Christian Zionists are also to blame.  Jewish Zionists believe that Israel belongs to them because it is their homeland, current inhabitants be damned.  Christian Zionists believe that a Jewish holy land will bring back Christ.  That only makes current things worse.  This constant violence and killing of innocent Israeli civilians breeds more Israeli hardliners based on the actions of groups like Hamas and the cycle continues.

So how can this be fixed.  As long as current things continue, not going to happen anytime soon.  No idea.

 

Now I have said my piece.  If anyone still thinks I am an anti-Semite, ignorant on the matter, or am biased, well, they can pound sand for all I care.

You meant perhaps WWI not WWII in the emphasized passages?

The Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917. It has approximately zero to do with WWII.

[roadtonowhere08]

43 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

You meant perhaps WWI not WWII in the emphasized passages?

The Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917. It has approximately zero to do with WWII.

I fixed the typo you were referring to.  Thanks for the catch.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Now reports that Israeli infants were beheaded. This is what some on the left in our country is celebrating today (There are countless examples of American leftists celebrating or praising Hamas.). We must speak out against this evil. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by SilverFallsAndrew

[roadtonowhere08]

1 hour ago, Iceresistance said:

Haley is now better than DeSantis, and if she wins the nominee, it would be the upset of the century!

It would be what a sane GOP would ensure.  If they are serious about beating Biden, Haley is their ticket.