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4 hours ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Meatball Ron is wrong about Ukraine.

 

Well, he is not wrong about one thing: 

Putin will continue to march west when he completely takes over Ukraine, he tried to take down Moldova by exploiting a government collapse but it was intercepted!

Never say Never with Weather, because anything is possible!

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Well, I'm surprised that even the Christians (me included) and the Atheists, the ones that are bitter enemies, have one thing in common.

There are only two genders.

Richard Dawkins declares there are only two sexes as matter of science: 'That's all there is to it' | Fox News

Never say Never with Weather, because anything is possible!

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20 minutes ago, Iceresistance said:

Well, I'm surprised that even the Christians (me included) and the Atheists, the ones that are bitter enemies, have one thing in common.

There are only two genders.

Richard Dawkins declares there are only two sexes as matter of science: 'That's all there is to it' | Fox News

When it comes to matters of science, one follows the scientific evidence.  Everything else is irrelevant.

How that intersects with social norms and culture is a whole different ballgame...

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39 minutes ago, Iceresistance said:

Well, I'm surprised that even the Christians (me included) and the Atheists, the ones that are bitter enemies, have one thing in common.

There are only two genders.

Richard Dawkins declares there are only two sexes as matter of science: 'That's all there is to it' | Fox News

James Lindsay and Bill Maher are atheists too.

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19 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

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Woke actually means “conscious of injustice in society.” That in itself is not a bad thing. In a world where "to err is human", there will always be some injustice.

Sure it's being misused by the right, but it's the easiest way to describe what they perceive from the left as

  • overly cynical
  • anti-liberal
  • anti-American
  • anti-MLK
  • neo-Marxist

Guess they could come up with another word for that.

The proletariat is the social class of wage-earners people of color. Marxist Neo-Marxist philosophy considers the proletariat to be exploited under capitalism, forced to accept meager wages in return for operating the means of production, which belong to the class of business owners white people, the bourgeoisie.

The bourgeoisie is a elite aristocratic social class, equivalent to the upper class or business owners white people.

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Just now, Deweydog said:

Is there an equal/opposite version?“Everything I don’t like is RACIST”

Sadly yes, it exists.

 

If only someone is brave enough to put in the links. (Not me right now, I have more important matters)

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7 hours ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Woke actually means “conscious of injustice in society.” That in itself is not a bad thing. In a world where "to err is human", there will always be some injustice.

Sure it's being misused by the right, but it's the easiest way to describe what they perceive from the left as

  • overly cynical
  • anti-liberal
  • anti-American
  • anti-MLK
  • neo-Marxist

Guess they could come up with another word for that.

The proletariat is the social class of wage-earners people of color. Marxist Neo-Marxist philosophy considers the proletariat to be exploited under capitalism, forced to accept meager wages in return for operating the means of production, which belong to the class of business owners white people, the bourgeoisie.

The bourgeoisie is a elite aristocratic social class, equivalent to the upper class or business owners white people.

Sounds almost like you are more amenable to classic Marxism than the neo variety as you define it.

Interestingly, there’s not much explicitly anti-capitalist about that neo variety, making it less radical and more palatable to the status quo.

Though there is of course an interplay between race and class, but that would prompt a digression I would just as soon not launch into in this post.

It's called clown range for a reason.

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1 hour ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Sounds almost like you are more amenable to classic Marxism than the neo variety as you define it.

Interestingly, there’s not much explicitly anti-capitalist about that neo variety, making it less radical and more palatable to the status quo.

Though there is of course an interplay between race and class, but that would prompt a digression I would just as soon not launch into in this post.

But Ibram X Kendi does say "The life of racism cannot be separated from the life of capitalism. In order to truly be antiracist, you also have to truly be anti-capitalist.”

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1 hour ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

But Ibram X Kendi does say "The life of racism cannot be separated from the life of capitalism. In order to truly be antiracist, you also have to truly be anti-capitalist.”

Well, he’s right that the histories of the two are deeply intertwined. I would also tend to agree about the second point, but that’s more a matter of opinion than one of clear historical fact.

Never much liked the term anti-capitalism, because it’s primarily negative, defined in terms of what something is not, and a bunch of countries in the not too distant past quite clearly demonstrated it’s easily possible to come up with something worse than capitalism.

So far as so-called “neo-Marxism” goes, I don’t really see the point of the name. It is so different from original Marxism that I find it misleading to link the two. I suppose the association with a political term that has generally negative connotations in the USA is the real point, as it makes it a more effective snarl word with which to label things one does not like.

Of course, two can play at this game. The libertarian Left is fond of calling the system that prevailed in the USSR and its satellites “state capitalism,” to make the point of how the working class in those systems had about as much democratic control over their society’s economies as the working class does in capitalist societies.

 

It's called clown range for a reason.

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1 hour ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Well, he’s right that the histories of the two are deeply intertwined. I would also tend to agree about the second point, but that’s more a matter of opinion than one of clear historical fact.

Never much liked the term anti-capitalism, because it’s primarily negative, defined in terms of what something is not, and a bunch of countries in the not too distant past quite clearly demonstrated it’s easily possible to come up with something worse than capitalism.

So far as so-called “neo-Marxism” goes, I don’t really see the point of the name. It is so different from original Marxism that I find it misleading to link the two. I suppose the association with a political term that has generally negative connotations in the USA is the real point, as it makes it a more effective snarl word with which to label things one does not like.

Of course, two can play at this game. The libertarian Left is fond of calling the system that prevailed in the USSR and its satellites “state capitalism,” to make the point of how the working class in those systems had about as much democratic control over their society’s economies as the working class does in capitalist societies.

 

I think what they have in common is treating people as members of oppressor or victim groups rather than individuals. 

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27 minutes ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

I think what they have in common is treating people as members of oppressor or victim groups rather than individuals. 

Declaring any discussion of oppressors and victims to be off-limits sounds like a great way to prevent any discussions about oppression, and thereby any progress in reducing it.

It's called clown range for a reason.

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9 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Declaring any discussion of oppressors and victims to be off-limits sounds like a great way to prevent any discussions about oppression, and thereby any progress in reducing it.

But not all business owners take advantage of their workers and not all white people are guilty of oppression against black people, and yet they are stereotyped to be that way by the left. 

I have a nice boss and more of my money is being taken away by taxes around 40% than a low salary. 

They also say that you are a racist by participating in the current system whether you have racist intentions or not and that only people who are in power can be guilty of racism.

Telling people that they are oppressed causes them to lose motivation and hiring people just because of skin color rather than qualifications in order to "level the playing field" makes them feel like they don't really belong, especially when things get difficult.

 

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2 hours ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

But not all business owners take advantage of their workers and not all white people are guilty of oppression against black people, and yet they are stereotyped to be that way by the left. 

I have a nice boss and more of my money is being taken away by taxes around 40% than a low salary. 

But not all absolute monarchs or feudal lords oppress their subjects. Some rule wisely and treat their serfs/subjects compassionately. I have a nice Lord who charges me a very reasonable rent to live on his land.

2 hours ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

They also say that you are a racist by participating in the current system whether you have racist intentions or not and that only people who are in power can be guilty of racism.

Whomever “they” is. I would say many are benefiting from racism, often unknowingly, and that might be leading to (again often unknowing) racist behaviour. I am not old enough to live in the era of de jure segregation, but I did still get to go to some of the best elementary schools in the Chicago metropolitan area. Those schools were in a suburb where it was almost impossible for Black families to find a real estate agent willing to sell them property, and where the few that did ended up getting driven out of that suburb by the hostile behaviour of many of their neighbours.

So I had the educational opportunities I did because I was born White, and if I pursued policies based on the assumption that a Black person going through childhood in that metropolitan area at the same time I did had the same opportunity as I did and was equally responsible for his fate as I was, I would be practising racism whether I was consciously aware of it or not.

And I only know all of the above because my mother was aware of it at the time it happened and concerned about it enough for it to stick in her mind sufficiently well for her to remember it later and mention it to me.

2 hours ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Telling people that they are oppressed causes them to lose motivation and hiring people just because of skin color rather than qualifications in order to "level the playing field" makes them feel like they don't really belong, especially when things get difficult.

Or it causes them to resist the oppression and do something about it.

Telling them they are not oppressed when in fact they are and they know it is a good way to ensure that oppression continues.

It's called clown range for a reason.

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49 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Whomever “they” is. I would say many are benefiting from racism, often unknowingly, and that might be leading to (again often unknowing) racist behaviour. I am not old enough to live in the era of de jure segregation, but I did still get to go to some of the best elementary schools in the Chicago metropolitan area. Those schools were in a suburb where it was almost impossible for Black families to find a real estate agent willing to sell them property, and where the few that did ended up getting driven out of that suburb by the hostile behaviour of many of their neighbours.

 

There's an article here, and despite being on a Christian website, it's actually has more of a moderate view than conservative. It acknowledges that there are problems, but does not agree with all of the proposed solutions.

Also in the case of redlining, they say even banks owned by Black people often reject Black people in areas with high crime rates, so it could be more based on high crime rates than skin color. There's also cases of poor White people being rejected.

Seems it would be better to solve whatever problems are causing the high crime rates.

56 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Or it causes them to resist the oppression and do something about it.

Telling them they are not oppressed when in fact they are and they know it is a good way to ensure that oppression continues.

Do something like what? Protest against capitalism. They don't really seem to describe what their solution is. Most people are not willing to go through a radical transformation of the economy, especially when they are not aware of the problems that still exist or what the alternative would be.

 

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1 hour ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Do something like what? Protest against capitalism. They don't really seem to describe what their solution is. Most people are not willing to go through a radical transformation of the economy, especially when they are not aware of the problems that still exist or what the alternative would be.

Exactly, and making a stink about the problems (which in earlier posts you objected to) is one way to inform people that they still exist.

It's called clown range for a reason.

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1 hour ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Also in the case of redlining, they say even banks owned by Black people often reject Black people in areas with high crime rates, so it could be more based on high crime rates than skin color. There's also cases of poor White people being rejected.

Seems it would be better to solve whatever problems are causing the high crime rates.

Again, “they say.” Who says it? Based on what evidence? “They say” that there’s a secret conspiracy to spray so-called “chemtrails” into the upper air with passenger jets (really, some people actually claim this). Doesn’t mean there’s actually any good evidence for it.

In 2002, Sen. Schumer’s office commissioned as study of home loans in New York City which found that a White loan applicant with an income of $45K/year had an easier time getting approved for a mortgage than a Black one with an income of $67K/year. That sounds like a pretty profound amount of racial discrimination to me.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2002-04-14-0204140324-story.html

This is not that long ago. The consequences of some Black families being unable to build equity are still reverberating through the children of those families today. This is not some problem of the distant past we are talking about.

It's called clown range for a reason.

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7 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Again, “they say.” Who says it? Based on what evidence? “They say” that there’s a secret conspiracy to spray so-called “chemtrails” into the upper air with passenger jets (really, some people actually claim this). Doesn’t mean there’s actually any good evidence for it.

In 2002, Sen. Schumer’s office commissioned as study of home loans in New York City which found that a White loan applicant with an income of $45K/year had an easier time getting approved for a mortgage than a Black one with an income of $67K/year. That sounds like a pretty profound amount of racial discrimination to me.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2002-04-14-0204140324-story.html

This is not that long ago. The consequences of some Black families being unable to build equity are still reverberating through the children of those families today. This is not some problem of the distant past we are talking about.

But it's complicated. I can't change society and I can't change people's minds. 

So far the only answers I've heard are

1. Defund the police 

2. Fess up to your white privilege 

3. Ask people to rename buildings and take down statues people don't like 

4. Ban standardized testing.

5. Fight discrimination with more discrimination 

6. Make me feel ashamed of myself and others feel sorry for themselves (causing more tension and more racism)

Laws don't change people's hearts. An attitude of gratitude for whatever progress has been made so far can help a lot.

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This didn’t work either! 
 

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Before You Diagnose Yourself With Depression or Low Self-Esteem,...First Make Sure You Are Not In Fact, Just Surrounded By A$$holes.

“If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell.”  Gen. Sheridan 1866

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Just ran across this.  History has a long memory.  

It said Germany buried bones used in Nazi eugenics research

Remains found near the site that once housed notorious institute.  What else will archeologists find in centuries ahead?   We’re still learning of Romes atrocities in their wars.   

Before You Diagnose Yourself With Depression or Low Self-Esteem,...First Make Sure You Are Not In Fact, Just Surrounded By A$$holes.

“If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell.”  Gen. Sheridan 1866

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Remember statements like this if the ilk of this country end up fulfilling the "prophecy" after an indictment.

In an overnight social media post, former President Donald J. Trump predicted that “potential death and destruction” may result if, as expected, he is charged by the Manhattan district attorney in connection with hush-money payments to a porn star made during the 2016 presidential campaign.

The comments from Mr. Trump, made between 1 a.m. and 2 a.m. on his social media site, Truth Social, were a stark escalation in his rhetorical attacks on the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, ahead of a likely indictment on charges that Mr. Trump said would be unfounded.

“What kind of person,” Mr. Trump wrote of Mr. Bragg, “can charge another person, in this case a former president of the United States, who got more votes than any sitting president in history, and leading candidate (by far!) for the Republican Party nomination, with a crime, when it is known by all that NO crime has been committed, & also that potential death & destruction in such a false charge could be catastrophic for our country?”

“Why & who would do such a thing? Only a degenerate psychopath that truely hates the USA!” the former president wrote.

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On 3/23/2023 at 5:14 PM, Mr Marine Layer said:

But it's complicated. I can't change society and I can't change people's minds. 

So far the only answers I've heard are

1. Defund the police 

2. Fess up to your white privilege 

3. Ask people to rename buildings and take down statues people don't like 

4. Ban standardized testing.

5. Fight discrimination with more discrimination 

6. Make me feel ashamed of myself and others feel sorry for themselves (causing more tension and more racism)

Laws don't change people's hearts. An attitude of gratitude for whatever progress has been made so far can help a lot.

Yes, when the problem affects someone ELSE, it’s always “appreciate what you have” or “it can’t be fixed” or something.

It's called clown range for a reason.

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38 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Freedom! Limited government! Traditional Western European culture!

https://nypost.com/2023/03/23/tallahassee-classical-school-principal-forced-out-after-david-art-lesson/

Also in the news.

Democrats believe parents don’t have the right to raise their own kids

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48 minutes ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Obviously, parents should have the complete right to psychologically (and maybe even physically) torture any ***** children they have. Because what’s a few expendable degenerate lives when it comes to preserving the purity of traditional values? It’s not as if those lives matter much, after all. Only those most like me personally matter.

Hopefully soon we can also go back to the good old days where teachers would use the rod on any degenerate freaks who insisted on writing with the Devil's (i.e. the left) hand. Always really frosted me we let those weirdos get normalized.

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9 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Obviously, parents should have the complete right to psychologically (and maybe even physically) torture any ***** children they have. Because what’s a few expendable degenerate lives when it comes to preserving the purity of traditional values? It’s not as if those lives matter much, after all. Only those most like me personally matter.

Hopefully soon we can also go back to the good old days where teachers would use the rod on any degenerate freaks who insisted on writing with the Devil's (i.e. the left) hand. Always really frosted me we let those weirdos get normalized.

Hey, I'm left-handed and teachers never punished me.

But sorry about those horrible offensive traditional values like there are only 2 genders and a marriage should be between a man and a woman, something that a majority of people still believed in the year 2000.

And today the statement “all men are created equal . . . endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.” requires trigger warnings because how dare you suggest that there is a Creator and rights come from God and not the government, or that true freedom requires personal responsibility and a moral and religious people (in the words of John Adams).

Instead we much teach that your freedom of religion is a threat to my hedonistic lifestyle and ensure that all children are educated with leftist values from preschool onward, and that America is the most irredeemably racist country in the history of the world and that YOU are the problem if your skin color is white.

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8 hours ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Hey, I'm left-handed and teachers never punished me.

For which you can thank political progressives. Had you been born earlier, there is a very good chance those with power over you would have tried to beat it out of you. Left handedness was considered a degeneracy and a threat to society, much like being gay or lesbian was as recently as 25 years ago, and much like being born trans is today.

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