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Ron DeSantis will be in a tough spot during the primaries. For as long as Trump remains in the race, he can't out-Trump him. On the other side, there are more viable candidates (Nikki Haley, Tim Scott) to shoot for if you are a Republican and you are tired of the Trump-like antics.

So he's not going to get the Trumpers vote and he won't get the more moderate Republican vote. He's going to either have to pray Trump bows out of the race after getting into deep legal trouble (looking at Georgia and Mar-a-Lago documents cases specifically, not the farce in Manhattan) or he'll have to soften his approach to hopefully appeal to more moderate Republicans. Thin line to walk for a politician that is still fairly new at the game, all things considered. Should be interesting!

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Everyone says the Candidate is brilliant, sporting all the codes and signifiers of an Ivy League education and a top-tier intellect, a success story of the meritocracy where a middle-class kid rises to the top, and people in Washington and New York take notice. The Candidate is a genius attorney; just ask them…though the staff would prefer you didn’t.

The Candidate is beloved by the political and financial establishment of the party. They see someone they can deal with in Washington. Someone more traditional and transactional than the edge cases running in the primary and the lunatic they’ll be up against in the general election. Sure, the Candidate is willing to feed the base, but that’s just for show, right?
 

Continued: https://resolutesquare.com/articles/1ky6aiPzWxDrfpQS8SC9OB/the-candidate

It's called clown range for a reason.

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4 hours ago, hawkstwelve said:

Ron DeSantis will be in a tough spot during the primaries. For as long as Trump remains in the race, he can't out-Trump him. On the other side, there are more viable candidates (Nikki Haley, Tim Scott) to shoot for if you are a Republican and you are tired of the Trump-like antics.

So he's not going to get the Trumpers vote and he won't get the more moderate Republican vote. He's going to either have to pray Trump bows out of the race after getting into deep legal trouble (looking at Georgia and Mar-a-Lago documents cases specifically, not the farce in Manhattan) or he'll have to soften his approach to hopefully appeal to more moderate Republicans. Thin line to walk for a politician that is still fairly new at the game, all things considered. Should be interesting!

He's getting worked over by The Mouse for silly wokism nonsense.  Politics is not for him.  He's toast.

Edit: Even the Twitter servers don't want the idiot to run: https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/24/tech/twitter-desantis-meltdown/index.html 😈

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8 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Fell quite a bit short of being a dictator the last time.

Next time (assuming there is one), not so sure he will.

As a dictator would he:

1. Reinstate slavery?

2. Take away voting rights from women, non-white and non-binary people?

3. Deport all illegal immigrants?

4. Put Fauci in prison?

5. Banish Congress and the Supreme Court?

6. Employ a firing squad along the entire Southern border?

7. Lock up all pro-choicers?

8. Ban all climate change prevention measures so that by 2050 all of the world fries to death except for the California coast and west of the mountains, which will have marine layer 6500 ft deep 365 days a year due to the 100 C inversion strength and never again reach 70 F or see the sun?

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3 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

He's getting worked over by The Mouse for silly wokism nonsense.  Politics is not for him.  He's toast.

Edit: Even the Twitter servers don't want the idiot to run: https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/24/tech/twitter-desantis-meltdown/index.html 😈

"The enthusiasm for our campaign broke Twitter!" is some good, simple spin he could play off that. Pretty easy to just laugh off.

But I'm sure the media will hype it up as "Ron's big #failuretolaunch" over the next 24 hour cycle. Stupid.

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27 minutes ago, hawkstwelve said:

"The enthusiasm for our campaign broke Twitter!" is some good, simple spin he could play off that. Pretty easy to just laugh off.

But I'm sure the media will hype it up as "Ron's big #failuretolaunch" over the next 24 hour cycle. Stupid.

Pretty much. 

I agree with your assessment.  It'll be interesting to see how he plays this.

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47 minutes ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

As a dictator would he:

1. Reinstate slavery?

2. Take away voting rights from women, non-white and non-binary people?

3. Deport all illegal immigrants?

4. Put Fauci in prison?

5. Banish Congress and the Supreme Court?

6. Employ a firing squad along the entire Southern border?

7. Lock up all pro-choicers?

8. Ban all climate change prevention measures so that by 2050 all of the world fries to death except for the California coast and west of the mountains, which will have marine layer 6500 ft deep 365 days a year due to the 100 C inversion strength and never again reach 70 F or see the sun?

What'll your username be if he opts for #8?

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3 hours ago, hawkstwelve said:

"The enthusiasm for our campaign broke Twitter!" is some good, simple spin he could play off that. Pretty easy to just laugh off.

But I'm sure the media will hype it up as "Ron's big #failuretolaunch" over the next 24 hour cycle. Stupid.

So, we’ve had one tech bro use his social media empire to help launch a right-wing presidential candidate, and zero use their social media empires to launch a left-wing one. Somehow, however, that will be irrelevant and righties will still whine that Big Tech is out to get them.

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14 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Everyone says the Candidate is brilliant, sporting all the codes and signifiers of an Ivy League education and a top-tier intellect, a success story of the meritocracy where a middle-class kid rises to the top, and people in Washington and New York take notice. The Candidate is a genius attorney; just ask them…though the staff would prefer you didn’t.

The Candidate is beloved by the political and financial establishment of the party. They see someone they can deal with in Washington. Someone more traditional and transactional than the edge cases running in the primary and the lunatic they’ll be up against in the general election. Sure, the Candidate is willing to feed the base, but that’s just for show, right?
 

Continued: https://resolutesquare.com/articles/1ky6aiPzWxDrfpQS8SC9OB/the-candidate

What a weird article.

They make the comparison between Hillary and Ron on the basis of... A lack of "The Gift" of retail politics? That's it? No mention of how extremely disliked Hillary was compared to Ron's (albeit segmented) popularity? No mention of her decades more experience than him, making her the epitome of the 'establishment'? No mention of his nice, young family compared to her sexual predator of husband?

There are plenty of comparisons between the two that draw a much starker contrast than what that article is trying to make it seem. Just a lot of words to ultimately say Ron lacks that personable charm, which isn't necessarily untrue from what I've read but definitely doesn't remind me of... Hillary?!

Just odd all around.

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11 hours ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

As a dictator would he:

1. Reinstate slavery?

2. Take away voting rights from women, non-white and non-binary people?

3. Deport all illegal immigrants?

4. Put Fauci in prison?

5. Banish Congress and the Supreme Court?

6. Employ a firing squad along the entire Southern border?

7. Lock up all pro-choicers?

8. Ban all climate change prevention measures so that by 2050 all of the world fries to death except for the California coast and west of the mountains, which will have marine layer 6500 ft deep 365 days a year due to the 100 C inversion strength and never again reach 70 F or see the sun?

More like nationwide criminalizing of abortion and transgender people (followed by criminalizing anyone who is not heterosexual), official promotion of his brand of Christian Fascism as the only legitimate religion and politics in all public schools, massive Federalizing of politics to achieve measures like the previous ones, blanket pardons for anyone involved in 1/6, directives to law enforcement to lay off of right-wing terrorist groups like the Proud Boys (which forms the genesis of goon squads that then operate outside the law to terrorize political opponents), etc. Standard dictator stuff, in other words.

All assuming a lack of early and massive popular resistance, which is actually quite an assumption given the overall political makeup of the USA.

It's called clown range for a reason.

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17 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

More like nationwide criminalizing of abortion and transgender people (followed by criminalizing anyone who is not heterosexual), official promotion of his brand of Christian Fascism as the only legitimate religion and politics in all public schools, massive Federalizing of politics to achieve measures like the previous ones, blanket pardons for anyone involved in 1/6, directives to law enforcement to lay off of right-wing terrorist groups like the Proud Boys (which forms the genesis of goon squads that then operate outside the law to terrorize political opponents), etc. Standard dictator stuff, in other words.

All assuming a lack of early and massive popular resistance, which is actually quite an assumption given the overall political makeup of the USA.

I've always wondered why the left loves Muslims so much, when in some Muslim countries homosexuals are executed.

Also, what is considered Christian Fascism today, may not have been 50 years ago. You can just watch a show like The Waltons to see how different things were.

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48 minutes ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

I've always wondered why the left loves Muslims so much, when in some Muslim countries homosexuals are executed.

Also, what is considered Christian Fascism today, may not have been 50 years ago. You can just watch a show like The Waltons to see how different things were.

Wanting Muslims to have the same civil rights as anyone else in a society with a tradition of secular government and religious pluralism (something Thomas Jefferson himself advocated in his writings, by the way) is quite a different thing from wanting Sharia Law.

Progress happens. Wanting to create a dictatorship to forcibly turn it back is a hallmark of right-wing authoritarianism and is anti-freedom.

 

It's called clown range for a reason.

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1 hour ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

I've always wondered why the left loves Muslims so much, when in some Muslim countries homosexuals are executed.

I've always wondered why reductive reasoning was so popular with you.

Wanting equal rights/treatment for Muslims =/= endorsing archaic beliefs that some choose to adhere to.

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1 hour ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

The right to not be one of the last socially acceptable ethnic stereotypes?  The right to not be discriminated against and harassed due to 9/11?  Kind of a big deal.

If the majority of Muslims in the US were to believe and practice all of the things the Quran says, they would be just as unpopular as Christians are today. 

There's lots of verses in the Quran condemning homosexuality, for example, which makes those 2 squad members hypocrites to their own religion. 

Also some Trump supporters are discriminated against today even if they had no connection to 1/6.

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Hi everybody!! How is everyone doing during these end of days? Everyone got their underground bunkers done yet to hide from the country and world madness? 
I’m BBQ’ing burgers tonight. 
Hope everyone has a lovely weekend! 

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21 minutes ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

If the majority of Muslims in the US were to believe and practice all of the things the Quran says, they would be just as unpopular as Christians are today. 

There's lots of verses in the Quran condemning homosexuality, for example, which makes those 2 squad members hypocrites to their own religion. 

Also some Trump supporters are discriminated against today even if they had no connection to 1/6.

Discriminated against?  Eh....at this point, it is pretty much self inflicted.  I have one long time work friend that I feel like I need to give him constant reminders:  If they offer you kool-aid, don't drink it. 

 

Regarding the 2 squad members being hypocrites to their own religion, the bible has statements condemning homosexuality as well, yet I have several Christian friends who have no problem with homosexuality, and a few who call themselves Christian and are homosexual.  So are those folks actually not Christians, or are they just hypocritical Christians?  And, are they better or worse than a hypocritical Muslim?  I dated a Jewish girl who could throw down on bacon, sausage, and BBQ pork. I guess she was a hypocrite to Judaism.

 

I think the biggest problem Christianity faces today is this need to tell everyone around them how they should live, and absolute intolerance for anyone who is not a Christian.  Growing up in Georgia, I dealt with this A LOT.  Ironically (or maybe not ironic) many of them lived anything but a Christian life. 

I became "agnostic" in high school.  I did not know what my religious beliefs were, but I knew I did not want to be associated with Christianity.  Once I disclosed that, I had MANY people tell me I was going to burn in hell, and could not fathom how I could not believe....literally, it was beyond their ability to comprehend.  That spoke volumes to me, and our friendship faded. 

I did have one friend and his family who were devout Christians, and were very welcoming. Another friend (who was a firm atheist) and I even attended their weekly youth group and went on their church outings for several years.  I even went on a couple of retreats with them. 

After our 2nd or 3rd visit the youth minister pulled us aside and said "You are welcome to be a part of our group, you are not required to participate in discussion or in prayer, but you absolutely WILL NOT disrespect or disparage what we are doing here."  He asked that when they prayed we kept quiet, bowed our heads and closed our eyes out of respect.  Considering we were on their "turf" and there by our choice my friend and I both thought that very fair and reasonable.  We hadn't done anything to warrant it, but I think he just wanted to get in front of it and make sure we didn't do anything that would force him to ask us to not come back.  We were never judged or criticized for our beliefs.

Too bad there aren't more Christians like that group.  Its interesting to note, this was a "Church of Christ" denomination, which in its purist form is pretty strict (no dancing and stuff like that).  This church was pretty "liberal" but in my opinion that didn't make them any less "Christian."  We also hung out with a Southern Baptist friend at his church and big shock, the reception was the exact opposite of our reception of the Church of Christ.  Needless to say we didn't hang out there very often.

One final note on the first family I mentioned, they did live a Christian life.  The summer after we graduated from high school l I was hanging in the kitchen with "mom" while my friend was knocking out some chores, and she asked me what happened and why I didn't believe any more.  I told her my reasoning, and she said "well, you know what I want you to believe, but I respect your decision, and just know that if you ever change your mind, I am here for you."  She gave me a great big hug and that was the last time my beliefs was ever brought up.

I haven't changed my mind, but I will carry that conversation to my grave as being one of the most meaningful conversations I have had in my life.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

If the majority of Muslims in the US were to believe and practice all of the things the Quran says, they would be just as unpopular as Christians are today. 

There's lots of verses in the Quran condemning homosexuality, for example, which makes those 2 squad members hypocrites to their own religion. 

Also some Trump supporters are discriminated against today even if they had no connection to 1/6.

As someone who cares nothing for holy scripture written by humans, I could not care less.  Every holy book has some primitive nonsense in it.  I just follow the golden rule, and only backwards people have a problem with gay people showing love for each other.

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1 hour ago, MossMan said:

Hi everybody!! How is everyone doing during these end of days? Everyone got their underground bunkers done yet to hide from the country and world madness? 
I’m BBQ’ing burgers tonight. 
Hope everyone has a lovely weekend! 

Hopefully your bunker is properly ventilated, otherwise BBQ-ing those burgers may cause some issues.

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4 hours ago, MossMan said:

Hi everybody!! How is everyone doing during these end of days? Everyone got their underground bunkers done yet to hide from the country and world madness? 
I’m BBQ’ing burgers tonight. 
Hope everyone has a lovely weekend! 

Grilling T Bone with a glass of wine in hand.  
Just beat, couldn’t wait till Friday.  
Strike while the iron’s hot!!

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“If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell.”  Gen. Sheridan 1866

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5 minutes ago, Andie said:

Do the poor or homeless not deserve the right to end their own life if they are truly suffering?  They traditionally have far less access to proper care, and Canadians generally view the right to end one's own life as part of that care.

I cannot stand disingenuous arguments, and people framing this as the government killing the poor or homeless because they are poor or homeless is disgusting.  The right love to preach about being pro life, but they are the first ones to cut proper funding for healthcare, including mental and drug health services that would help the poor and homeless.

And Dailymail is a rag of a tabloid anyway.

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It’s their right to live or die as they choose but involving the govt and govt funds is going too far.  
Should the taxes of people that don’t support it be used to put people down?  
I think they have a lot of ethical lines to define and draw before going forward.  I just don’t think the govt on any level should be involved. 

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18 minutes ago, Andie said:

It’s their right to live or die as they choose but involving the govt and govt funds is going too far.  
Should the taxes of people that don’t support it be used to put people down?  
I think they have a lot of ethical lines to define and draw before going forward.  I just don’t think the govt on any level should be involved. 

How should this issue be handled if their national healthcare system should not be involved?  That's their job.

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7 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

As someone who cares nothing for holy scripture written by humans, I could not care less.  Every holy book has some primitive nonsense in it.  I just follow the golden rule, and only backwards people have a problem with gay people showing love for each other.

Then California must have had lots of backwards people in 2008 when they voted against same-sex marriage. 

The thing is that if marriage is no longer defined as a union between a man and a woman, it can be defined as a union between anything. Some people are already trying to make polygamy legal.

A man and a man cannot give birth to children and neither can a woman and a woman. So "marriage equality" is like comparing apples to oranges. Some countries call it a same-sex union to differentiate it from marriage. 

Finally studies have shown that children are most likely to succeed when they grow up with a mother and a father. 

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2 minutes ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

Then California must have had lots of backwards people in 2008 when they voted against same-sex marriage. 

The thing is that if marriage is no longer defined as a union between a man and a woman, it can be defined as a union between anything. Some people are already trying to make polygamy legal.

A man and a man cannot produce children and neither can a woman and a woman. So "marriage equality" is like comparing apples to oranges. Also, the more you expand what constitutes of a marriage the less special it becomes. 

Finally studies have shown that children are most likely to succeed when they have a mother and a father. 

Too much wrong with this.  My head exploded.

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2 hours ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

A man and a man cannot give birth to children and neither can a woman and a woman. So "marriage equality" is like comparing apples to oranges. Some countries call it a same-sex union to differentiate it from marriage.

Oh, puhleeze.

Heterosexual couples unwilling or unable to procreate get married all the time. Are you seriously proposing that fertility tests be required prior to marriage? Banning post-menopausal women from marrying or remarrying? Fining couples and revoking their marriage licenses if they fail to bear children?

Because all of that would have to be part of public policy were marriage really about nothing more than raising kids.

It's called clown range for a reason.

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8 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

How should this issue be handled if their national healthcare system should not be involved?  That's their job.

Exterminating people in the name of “healthcare” is an oxymoron.  
I believe people have the right to die with terminal illnesses. I understand pain and suffering as I’ve seen plenty. But if they’re depressed or feeling hopeless, let’s dig a little deeper and look for solutions.  
We’re not exterminating bugs here.  Let’s look for constructive solutions. Otherwise it smacks of some social nightmare. They could tag anyone as disposable.  Political power will always find a way. This could go real wrong.  

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17 hours ago, Chewbacca Defense said:

Discriminated against?  Eh....at this point, it is pretty much self inflicted.  I have one long time work friend that I feel like I need to give him constant reminders:  If they offer you kool-aid, don't drink it. 

 

Regarding the 2 squad members being hypocrites to their own religion, the bible has statements condemning homosexuality as well, yet I have several Christian friends who have no problem with homosexuality, and a few who call themselves Christian and are homosexual.  So are those folks actually not Christians, or are they just hypocritical Christians?  And, are they better or worse than a hypocritical Muslim?  I dated a Jewish girl who could throw down on bacon, sausage, and BBQ pork. I guess she was a hypocrite to Judiasm

There have been some cases where people have lost their jobs because they simply said they voted for Trump or something was found on Facebook saying they support him.

Today on college campuses, conservative students are ridiculed. One guy was simply trying to describe why he was against socialism and they called the police on him. They said he was fearmongering students.

People cannot just pick and choose what they want to believe from the Bible and call themselves true Christians. For example, the Bible says all men are created in God's image and should be treated equally, which would make racism wrong, but many people who called themselves Christians supported race-based slavery in America. 

However in some other countries you can be jailed, tortured or executed for being a Christian and the Bible itself warns Christians to expect persecution. There has been so little of it in America that it's been an anomaly and that's part of the reason so many people came here. With the country becoming less religious, Christians are on their way to becoming a minority and that could change soon.

I do agree however that the religious right Republicans are pushing their agenda harder than ever in a country becoming less religious and they need to stop that if they ever expect to win an election again. Better to fight against taxpayer funded abortion rather than trying to ban abortion completely. 

At the same time though Democrats have gone farther left than they have ever been and that's part of the reason why Republicans are fighting back 

 

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2 hours ago, Andie said:

Exterminating people in the name of “healthcare” is an oxymoron.  
I believe people have the right to die with terminal illnesses. I understand pain and suffering as I’ve seen plenty. But if they’re depressed or feeling hopeless, let’s dig a little deeper and look for solutions.  
We’re not exterminating bugs here.  Let’s look for constructive solutions. Otherwise it smacks of some social nightmare. They could tag anyone as disposable.  Political power will always find a way. This could go real wrong.  

“Exterminate” carries industrial-scale, mass-murder connotations. Nobody is being exterminated. Homeless people here can get medical aid in dying, just like anyone else. That’s all.

It's called clown range for a reason.

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38 minutes ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

Today on college campuses, conservative students are ridiculed. One guy was simply trying to describe why he was against socialism and they called the police on him. They said he was fearmongering students.

So mere ridicule is a form of oppression now?

(And calling the cops on someone goes beyond ridicule. What happened when the cops showed up? Any arrests made, or charges filed?)

It's called clown range for a reason.

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3 hours ago, Andie said:

Exterminating people in the name of “healthcare” is an oxymoron.  
I believe people have the right to die with terminal illnesses. I understand pain and suffering as I’ve seen plenty. But if they’re depressed or feeling hopeless, let’s dig a little deeper and look for solutions.  
We’re not exterminating bugs here.  Let’s look for constructive solutions. Otherwise it smacks of some social nightmare. They could tag anyone as disposable.  Political power will always find a way. This could go real wrong.  

I gotta be honest: I stopped reading after the word "exterminating".  Nobody is proposing assisted suicide willy-nilly.

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23 minutes ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

Sources are optional these days.

It’s all their mythology of oppression.

The Right is just so oppressed these days, despite an Electoral College that has twice in recent history awarded the presidency to a right of center candaidate who got fewer votes than his opponent. And right of center views are nowhere to be found in the media, despite Fox News being the largest current affairs network and one being unable to swing a dead cat on the AM radio band without hitting half a dozen right-wing talk radio stations. And they represent an oppressed majority of “real Americans” despite their difficulty prevailing in the nationwide popular vote.

And so on.

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