2019 Autumn & Winter Discussion

[Andie]

The early Christmas stuff coming out reminds me of some neighbors that "celebrate" Christmas 12 months a year.

Soon we'll have Easter Bunnys hanging from Christmas trees being frightened by Halloween ghosts.

This just waters down the holiday and the meaning of it. Commercialism rules.

[OKwx2k4]

Good posts Jaster. Hard not to deny irradiance and volcanism as our 2 largest climate drivers.

 

Adding 100ppm to co2, well that's still only 100/1,000,000. Even for a man who sucks at math, that's an outright lie. Period.

 

It looks pretty foolish when written out as a true fraction doesn't it?

 

So how does .0001 get you .3C? It cannot. In any way shape or form.

[Minny_Weather]

You know that Winter is coming early, when you go to Menards and they already have Christmas Lights/Decor on display! I’ve never seen them sell this early in the year. I thought last year was early when I saw Costco selling Christmas lights in October, but in late Sept?

I haven't been in the one here since a couple weeks ago, but the one I always went to in Lincoln started in mid-September pretty consistently. Always felt wrong seeing Christmas displays when it was in the 90s out.

[Northland09]

Now that's more like it. And not centered west of the Mississippi for once. I've been peeking around and noticed that it's been abnormally cold over Russia for 2 months. We're not talking a week or two cold wave but consistent and drawn-out. I'm increasingly concerned that this finds it's way to our side during the winter months and just camps out. Also, I am more intrigued by this rare SST alignment that Tom brought to my attention with his post this morning. I'm not saying we see another 13-14 either just that a "cold one" is certainly not a stretch. I'm always reminded that just 4 yrs after the incredibly cold 77-78, we got 81-82 which actually holds the record for most days of double digit depth (61), had a higher total, and came within an inch of the max snow depth here in Marshall (26"). 

 

2013 DJF departures (just for fun):

 

2013-14 Departures-DJF.gif

 

I'm really hoping this year won't be like another 2013-2014.  As much as I love winter, that one was on a whole different level of it for me personally.  I learned what cabin fever was all about.  It was so cold that you couldn't do anything outside. The snow was so deep because it wasn't melting, so even if you wanted to do something outside, walking through the snow made it difficult. We also work outside still in the winter.  We can handle the snow, the cold is another subject. I say no matter what happens, I'm rooting for the snow, but please, just not the extreme cold!

[Niko]

I will never understand why these stores mix holidays together or even rush it for that matter. Takes the fun away when the actual holiday arrives. Putting out Christmas Decor b4 Halloween or at the same time is simply plain stupid!

[Hawkeye]

I'm really hoping this year won't be like another 2013-2014.  As much as I love winter, that one was on a whole different level of it for me personally.  I learned what cabin fever was all about.  It was so cold that you couldn't do anything outside. The snow was so deep because it wasn't melting, so even if you wanted to do something outside, walking through the snow made it difficult. We also work outside still in the winter.  We can handle the snow, the cold is another subject. I say no matter what happens, I'm rooting for the snow, but please, just not the extreme cold!

 

I think it was that winter when it was brutally cold the morning after many of our snow events.  I would much rather have tolerable cold when I'm out shoveling.

[jaster220]

I'm really hoping this year won't be like another 2013-2014.  As much as I love winter, that one was on a whole different level of it for me personally.  I learned what cabin fever was all about.  It was so cold that you couldn't do anything outside. The snow was so deep because it wasn't melting, so even if you wanted to do something outside, walking through the snow made it difficult. We also work outside still in the winter.  We can handle the snow, the cold is another subject. I say no matter what happens, I'm rooting for the snow, but please, just not the extreme cold!

 

I totally get what you've describe. I lived that in NMI in 93-94 (the big freeze), and again in 95-96, and again the very next year in 96-97. 3 out of 4 yrs was enough to send this SMI native seeking relocation to a more southern latitude. 13-14 was rough down here in SMI, but after 7 winters in the north, I was able to deal with it I guess. Actually, the deep deep snow (that I miss most winters) was nice to see for a change. I can tolerate the cold more so when it's keeping a nice snow-pack from going down the storm drains. 

[jaster220]

I will never understand why these stores mix holidays together or even rush it for that matter. Takes the fun away when the actual holiday arrives. Putting out Christmas Decor b4 Halloween or at the same time is simply plain stupid!

 

Because you're not the corporate manager for the store chain(s) who's bonus is based on sales numbers in his/her region and is prolly stuck with quotas that increase year over year. And I don't fault those individuals either who are just doing what they've been hired to do. It's corporate greed driven and I've never liked it. But gone are the days of Mom-n-Pop stores on every little Main Street USA where they were in business for more than the almighty Buck

[Tom]

My gut told me this Autumn across the N Hemisphere would be off to a Fast start (record?) in the snow dept and this article may have just proved that point.  Something intriguing is happening across the N Hemisphere as we head deeper into Autumn and eventually Winter.  Just look at the hints on what transpired in the S Hemisphere.

 

https://electroverse.net/big-gains-for-greenland-ice-sheet-n-hemisphere-total-snow-mass-off-to-a-record-start/

[Niko]

Because you're not the corporate manager for the store chain(s) who's bonus is based on sales numbers in his/her region and is prolly stuck with quotas that increase year over year. And I don't fault those individuals either who are just doing what they've been hired to do. It's corporate greed driven and I've never liked it. But gone are the days of Mom-n-Pop stores on every little Main Street USA where they were in business for more than the almighty Buck

I remember the good ol days when each holiday had its turn separately, instead of all at once.

 

I stopped at Walmart earlier this morning to get some batteries and I swear there was a "Halloween" section, a "Thanksgiving" section and a  "Christmas"Section in one long row.  

[Andie]

Holy Moly. They’re calling for mid 80’s Thursday week.

It’s a long way off but I’ll take it!

 

92*. Windy. Scattered showers NW of DFW but moving NE

[OKwx2k4]

I'm really hoping this year won't be like another 2013-2014. As much as I love winter, that one was on a whole different level of it for me personally. I learned what cabin fever was all about. It was so cold that you couldn't do anything outside. The snow was so deep because it wasn't melting, so even if you wanted to do something outside, walking through the snow made it difficult. We also work outside still in the winter. We can handle the snow, the cold is another subject. I say no matter what happens, I'm rooting for the snow, but please, just not the extreme cold!

I understand hating the extreme cold. I really do. I don't think as anyone is a fan of it.

 

Unfortunately, I'd like to see a season with some lasting snow cover. That takes a few good 7-10 day bitter cold stretches to accomplish. It's a lose/win situation. Brutal cold is hard on finances, vehicles, pipes, homes and just plain hard to do anything in.

 

I just want to see snow one year until I'm tired of seeing it for awhile.

[OKwx2k4]

Because you're not the corporate manager for the store chain(s) who's bonus is based on sales numbers in his/her region and is prolly stuck with quotas that increase year over year. And I don't fault those individuals either who are just doing what they've been hired to do. It's corporate greed driven and I've never liked it. But gone are the days of Mom-n-Pop stores on every little Main Street USA where they were in business for more than the almighty Buck

It's amazing what 25 years has done to our small towns and small businesses in this nation. Especially in the central US. It's truly sad. My town looks like the set of The Walking Dead on Saturday afternoons.

[jaster220]

This!!

 

THE NPS REMOVES ALL “GLACIERS GONE BY 2020” SIGNS AT GLACIER NATIONAL PARK, MONTANA AFTER “LARGER-THAN-AVERAGE SNOWFALL OVER SEVERAL WINTERS”

Following years of heavy snowfall, the National Park Service (NPS) is quietly removing all visitor center signs that declare the glaciers at Glacier National Park, located in Montana’s Rocky Mountains, will be gone by the year 2020 due to climate change. With that doomsday deadline about to come and go in just a few months time, the service is rather sheepishly pulling all ‘2020 signs’ from its displays after the computer models it relied upon from the early 2000s, which convincingly foretold of unending glacial retreat, have turned out to be catastrophically inaccurate. “Larger than average snowfall over several winters slowed down that retreat rate and the 2020 date used in the NPS display does not apply anymore,” said the USGS, which monitors Glacier National Park. 

 

Roger I. Roots, J.D., Ph.D., first noted the signage change in an article for Watts Up With That.

“Almost everywhere, the Park’s specific claims of impending glacier disappearance have been replaced with more nuanced messaging,” Roots wrote.

“The Park Service is scrambling to remove the signs without their visitors noticing,” Roots posted on his Facebook wall, along with a video showing the sign changes:

Just last year, officials at Glacier National Park were displaying signs and brochures predicting that all glaciers in the Park would disappear by 2020 (or 2030). Now the Park Service is scrambling to remove the signs without their visitors noticing. The new signs are more nuanced and claim that everyone agrees the glaciers are melting. This is not true; most of the famous glaciers in the Park have slightly grown in recent years. (The pic below shows the sign as it was last year; the video was taken a few days ago.)

 

“The ‘gone by 2020’ claims were repeated in the New York Times, National Geographic, and other international news sources,” writes Roots. “But no mainstream news outlet has done any meaningful reporting regarding the apparent stabilization and recovery of the glaciers in GNP over the past decade.

“Even local Montana news sources such as The Missoulian, Billings Gazette and Bozeman Daily Chronicle have remained utterly silent regarding this story.”

MSM = Main Stream Liars

Yet another example of our tax-payer $$ wasted on globalist agenda false-alarms that Joe Public bought into because it was hyped by the MSM. It's truly sad to see how a once proud industry (journalism) has sold it's soul and is owned by entities that were behind the whole Al Gore hoax, et al

[jaster220]

On a lighter note. I got a kick outta this winter forecast (nails it for the Mitt, lol)

 

[Tom]

This!!

 

THE NPS REMOVES ALL “GLACIERS GONE BY 2020” SIGNS AT GLACIER NATIONAL PARK, MONTANA AFTER “LARGER-THAN-AVERAGE SNOWFALL OVER SEVERAL WINTERS”

Following years of heavy snowfall, the National Park Service (NPS) is quietly removing all visitor center signs that declare the glaciers at Glacier National Park, located in Montana’s Rocky Mountains, will be gone by the year 2020 due to climate change. With that doomsday deadline about to come and go in just a few months time, the service is rather sheepishly pulling all ‘2020 signs’ from its displays after the computer models it relied upon from the early 2000s, which convincingly foretold of unending glacial retreat, have turned out to be catastrophically inaccurate. “Larger than average snowfall over several winters slowed down that retreat rate and the 2020 date used in the NPS display does not apply anymore,” said the USGS, which monitors Glacier National Park. 

 

Roger I. Roots, J.D., Ph.D., first noted the signage change in an article for Watts Up With That.

“Almost everywhere, the Park’s specific claims of impending glacier disappearance have been replaced with more nuanced messaging,” Roots wrote.

“The Park Service is scrambling to remove the signs without their visitors noticing,” Roots posted on his Facebook wall, along with a video showing the sign changes:

 

“The ‘gone by 2020’ claims were repeated in the New York Times, National Geographic, and other international news sources,” writes Roots. “But no mainstream news outlet has done any meaningful reporting regarding the apparent stabilization and recovery of the glaciers in GNP over the past decade.

“Even local Montana news sources such as The Missoulian, Billings Gazette and Bozeman Daily Chronicle have remained utterly silent regarding this story.”

MSM = Main Stream Liars

Yet another example of our tax-payer $$ wasted on globalist agenda false-alarms that Joe Public bought into because it was hyped by the MSM. It's truly sad to see how a once proud industry (journalism) has sold it's soul and is owned by entities that were behind the whole Al Gore hoax, et al

Wonder what the MSM will have to say after parts of the N Rockies will have 3-4+ Feet of snow by early October!

 

Edit: Both the Euro/GFS are showing 30-40"+ of snow smack dab over Glacier National Park!  I love it when Nature shows those fear mongers who's in control.

[Niko]

On a lighter note. I got a kick outta this winter forecast (nails it for the Mitt, lol)

 

Winter 2019-20 Spoof map.jpg

[jaster220]

 

  The one about the East Coast is perhaps the funniest

[Northland09]

I understand hating the extreme cold. I really do. I don't think as anyone is a fan of it.

 

Unfortunately, I'd like to see a season with some lasting snow cover. That takes a few good 7-10 day bitter cold stretches to accomplish. It's a lose/win situation. Brutal cold is hard on finances, vehicles, pipes, homes and just plain hard to do anything in.

 

I just want to see snow one year until I'm tired of seeing it for awhile.

 

Move to Minnesota!  Last year sure didn't disappoint in the snow department, and hoping this year won't either!  (Yeah, I know, easier said than done )

[Niko]

  The one about the East Coast is perhaps the funniest

I agree. This has to be one of the most funniest maps of all time. It beats NOAA's Winter Outlook.

[OmahaSnowFan]

This!!

 

THE NPS REMOVES ALL “GLACIERS GONE BY 2020” SIGNS AT GLACIER NATIONAL PARK, MONTANA AFTER “LARGER-THAN-AVERAGE SNOWFALL OVER SEVERAL WINTERS”

Following years of heavy snowfall, the National Park Service (NPS) is quietly removing all visitor center signs that declare the glaciers at Glacier National Park, located in Montana’s Rocky Mountains, will be gone by the year 2020 due to climate change. With that doomsday deadline about to come and go in just a few months time, the service is rather sheepishly pulling all ‘2020 signs’ from its displays after the computer models it relied upon from the early 2000s, which convincingly foretold of unending glacial retreat, have turned out to be catastrophically inaccurate. “Larger than average snowfall over several winters slowed down that retreat rate and the 2020 date used in the NPS display does not apply anymore,” said the USGS, which monitors Glacier National Park. 

 

Roger I. Roots, J.D., Ph.D., first noted the signage change in an article for Watts Up With That.

“Almost everywhere, the Park’s specific claims of impending glacier disappearance have been replaced with more nuanced messaging,” Roots wrote.

“The Park Service is scrambling to remove the signs without their visitors noticing,” Roots posted on his Facebook wall, along with a video showing the sign changes:

 

“The ‘gone by 2020’ claims were repeated in the New York Times, National Geographic, and other international news sources,” writes Roots. “But no mainstream news outlet has done any meaningful reporting regarding the apparent stabilization and recovery of the glaciers in GNP over the past decade.

“Even local Montana news sources such as The Missoulian, Billings Gazette and Bozeman Daily Chronicle have remained utterly silent regarding this story.”

MSM = Main Stream Liars

Yet another example of our tax-payer $$ wasted on globalist agenda false-alarms that Joe Public bought into because it was hyped by the MSM. It's truly sad to see how a once proud industry (journalism) has sold it's soul and is owned by entities that were behind the whole Al Gore hoax, et al

 

Florentine referenced a recent study published in the journal Earth System Science Data, which monitored seasonal mass balance on the park’s Sperry Glacier since 2005. “There are some years where there’s a positive mass balance, and that was true in 2008, 2011, 2012, and 2016,” said Florentine, “But, overall, the net loss from each year offset the mass added, leading to a cumulative decline.”

 

So the planet isn't warming then? So Al Gore, China, the MSM, and scientists(and whatever other boogeymen) around the world who are all in cahoots got together and thought let's put up signs in GNP that the glaciers could disappear here by a certain date so we can screw people over by making them take care of the planet better?

Plenty of places where the glaciers have disappeared/nearly disappeared.....

[OKwx2k4]

This!!

THE NPS REMOVES ALL “GLACIERS GONE BY 2020” SIGNS AT GLACIER NATIONAL PARK, MONTANA AFTER “LARGER-THAN-AVERAGE SNOWFALL OVER SEVERAL WINTERS”

Following years of heavy snowfall, the National Park Service (NPS) is quietly removing all visitor center signs that declare the glaciers at Glacier National Park, located in Montana’s Rocky Mountains, will be gone by the year 2020 due to climate change. With that doomsday deadline about to come and go in just a few months time, the service is rather sheepishly pulling all ‘2020 signs’ from its displays after the computer models it relied upon from the early 2000s, which convincingly foretold of unending glacial retreat, have turned out to be catastrophically inaccurate. “Larger than average snowfall over several winters slowed down that retreat rate and the 2020 date used in the NPS display does not apply anymore,” said the USGS, which monitors Glacier National Park.

 

Roger I. Roots, J.D., Ph.D., first noted the signage change in an article for Watts Up With That.

“Almost everywhere, the Park’s specific claims of impending glacier disappearance have been replaced with more nuanced messaging,” Roots wrote.

“The Park Service is scrambling to remove the signs without their visitors noticing,” Roots posted on his Facebook wall, along with a video showing the sign changes:

“The ‘gone by 2020’ claims were repeated in the New York Times, National Geographic, and other international news sources,” writes Roots. “But no mainstream news outlet has done any meaningful reporting regarding the apparent stabilization and recovery of the glaciers in GNP over the past decade.

“Even local Montana news sources such as The Missoulian, Billings Gazette and Bozeman Daily Chronicle have remained utterly silent regarding this story.”

MSM = Main Stream Liars

Yet another example of our tax-payer $$ wasted on globalist agenda false-alarms that Joe Public bought into because it was hyped by the MSM. It's truly sad to see how a once proud industry (journalism) has sold it's soul and is owned by entities that were behind the whole Al Gore hoax, et al

This made my day buddy. Absolutely made my day. I love seeing the lies get shut down!

[jaster220]

Florentine referenced a recent study published in the journal Earth System Science Data, which monitored seasonal mass balance on the park’s Sperry Glacier since 2005. “There are some years where there’s a positive mass balance, and that was true in 2008, 2011, 2012, and 2016,” said Florentine, “But, overall, the net loss from each year offset the mass added, leading to a cumulative decline.”

 

So the planet isn't warming then? So Al Gore, China, the MSM, and scientists(and whatever other boogeymen) around the world who are all in cahoots got together and thought let's put up signs in GNP that the glaciers could disappear here by a certain date so we can screw people over by making them take care of the planet better?

Plenty of places where the glaciers have disappeared/nearly disappeared.....

 

Nailed it!

[Tom]

This made my day buddy. Absolutely made my day. I love seeing the lies get shut down!

Happy B Day!  Cheers! 

[OKwx2k4]

Move to Minnesota! Last year sure didn't disappoint in the snow department, and hoping this year won't either! (Yeah, I know, easier said than done )

I'd do it! Yesterday if I could. That was one of the states on my list.

 

Through my job I visit with a lot of truck drivers from up that way. They describe it as a pretty wonderful state to live in for a guy who loves the cold and snow as much as me.

[OKwx2k4]

Happy B Day! Cheers!

Not quite yet, but I'll take it.

[Niko]

If I had to guess, I'd say that Fall Foliage is now at 25% IMBY and are slow starting to expand. I'll try to take a couple of pics, if I get the chance.

[jaster220]

Wonder what the MSM will have to say after parts of the N Rockies will have 3-4+ Feet of snow by early October!

 

Edit: Both the Euro/GFS are showing 30-40"+ of snow smack dab over Glacier National Park!  I love it when Nature shows those fear mongers who's in control.

 

Uhmmm....crickets  (if I had to guess  )

[jaster220]

I think it was that winter when it was brutally cold the morning after many of our snow events.  I would much rather have tolerable cold when I'm out shoveling.

 

The evening of 1/6/2014 (I was dumb enough to go into work that morning) I had to clear my driveway and walks of the 18" we got with the "PV Bliz". Conditions at that time (~8 pm):  -16F/-41F WC in Marshall! Had to be the coldest ever storm clean-up for this guy, including my 7 yrs in NMI. At least up there I had proper snow gear to wear plus a walk-behind 2-stage thrower. I'm ill prepared for UP conditions at my current residence.

[Grizzcoat]

I see the MSM (liars) including the TWC and others want nothing to do with the epic storm about ready to hit Northern Montana--- (of course when they do- it's climate change not AGW)  the local NWS office has been hammering away at this for sometime now and compares it to a similar event in 1934.

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGENational Weather Service Great Falls MTIssued by National Weather Service Glasgow MT337 PM MDT Wed Sep 25 2019MTZ012-014-045-050-052>054-261200-/O.EXB.KTFX.WS.A.0010.190928T0000Z-190929T2200Z/Cascade-Central and Southern Lewis and Clark-Liberty-Judith Basin-Jefferson-Broadwater-Meagher-Including Great Falls, Cascade, Belt, Kings Hill Pass, Helena,Lincoln, MacDonald Pass, Rogers Pass, Chester, Whitlash,Raynesford, Stanford, Hobson, Montana City, Boulder,Boulder Hill, Elk Park Pass, Homestake Pass, Whitehall, Toston,Townsend, Winston, Martinsdale, and White Sulphur Springs337 PM MDT Wed Sep 25 2019...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM FRIDAY EVENING THROUGHSUNDAY AFTERNOON...* WHAT...Blizzard conditions possible. Total snow accumulations of  18 to 36 inches, with locally higher amounts in the mountains.  Record or near-record cold temperatures in the teens and 20s  with wind chills zero to 15 above zero. North to northeast winds  15 to 30 mph with gusts as high as 40 mph.* WHERE...Portions of central, north central, southwest and west  central Montana.* WHEN...From Friday evening through Sunday afternoon.* IMPACTS...Extreme impacts possible, including to power  infrastructure including power lines resulting in widespread  power outages, agricultural interests; outdoor recreational  interests including camping and hunting activities; and travel.  Widespread significant tree damage is possible with heavy wet  snow and strong winds impacting trees with foliage.* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...This early-season winter storm and/or  blizzard has the potential to set a new benchmark for snow  accumulations, cold temperatures, and resulting impacts for  parts of the Northern Rockies and the Rocky Mountain Front. A  similar storm in 1934 produced prolific amounts of snow in late  September over north-central Montana. An extension and/or  expansion of Winter Storm Watches are likely.* CONFIDENCE...High on accumulations, winds, and expected  impacts. There is low to moderate confidence on the timing of  onset and end of this winter storm event.PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...Monitor the latest forecasts for updates on this situation.&&$$

[OmahaSnowFan]

Totally, man.  The MSM isn't covering a winter storm in a largely uninhabited part of the country because they want to perpetuate the global warming myth!  They're terrified that a fall mountain snow storm totally disproves their theory.  Oh, BTW, 

 

https://weather.com/forecast/regional/news/2019-09-25-september-blizzard-montana-northern-rockies-snow

 

https://weather.com/forecast/regional/news/2019-09-23-northern-rockies-northwest-below-average-temperatures-snow

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/09/25/parts-rocky-mountains-are-preparing-three-feet-snow/

 

Don't forget about the glacier that actually did completely disappear last month.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/19/iceland-holds-funeral-for-first-glacier-lost-to-climate-change

 

Don't forget about what happened to Alaska and Arctic Sea Ice this year.

https://mashable.com/article/alaska-sea-ice-melt-2019/

 

Last winter the US had record cold. An easy search online shows all the articles about the cold. I remember watching multiple stories about it on the evening world news. I also remember the clown in office using the cold to claim warming doesn't exist. But I thought the MSM only does stories on record heat to push their conspiracy theories, right?!

[Grizzcoat]

 TS Karen forecast track = uninhabited areas of the US. But still 100's times the coverage of this event. I wonder if the TWC will name this winter storm as it should meet at least 2 of the guidelines?

[OKwx2k4]

Don't forget about the glacier that actually did completely disappear last month.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/19/iceland-holds-funeral-for-first-glacier-lost-to-climate-change

 

Don't forget about what happened to Alaska and Arctic Sea Ice this year.

https://mashable.com/article/alaska-sea-ice-melt-2019/

 

Last winter the US had record cold. An easy search online shows all the articles about the cold. I remember watching multiple stories about it on the evening world news. I also remember the clown in office using the cold to claim warming doesn't exist. But I thought the MSM only does stories on record heat to push their conspiracy theories, right?!

Except the parts where they've injected the narrative in all of their cold weather stories that somehow arctic airmass displacement would be caused by climate change. Warmth=climate change, more hurricanes=climate change, less hurricanes=climate change. It's in every single story. Show me where they have simply wrote the weather news in an article without injecting pointed narrative into every one of them. It's simple, they haven't. They cannot and they will not. One part of the artic was in fact ice free for an extended time this year. So was the Northwest Passage. They have both been ice free before, hence there would never have been a Northwest Passage to begin with. One glacier disappeared. Awww, poor thing. Yet Greenland(remember all the panic?) Has securely spent the vast majority of the last 120+ days solidly below average in temperatures. So has the core of the central CONUS EVEN AFTER THE LAST 3 WEEKS OF HEAT(as of Sept 22nd.). Hmmmm..... sounds like simple displacement of cold away from the AK/Russian side of the Arctic down into NA and over to Greenland and even western Russia. Oops. When you have a weak AO in summer, that happens. It's called weather.

 

Amazing thing, when it cools off here in a couple of days, the western Artic is going to get warm again. That might be where our cold air and all the other midlatitudes' cold air comes from. Amazing. Not.

 

But let's keep poisoning young people by telling them they can control something that they have no control over and making them dread life after 20 so they have nothing to live for and shoot themselves at 15 years old. Or have psychological problems for the rest of their lives because they have faith in science and the manipulation of education and leftist government, which oppresses and fails them to keep their Hope's in nothing and makes them weak and dependent.

 

Give me a fnçking break.

[OKwx2k4]

H

 

Hey man, I get it. When you've lived in the same small town your whole life, and it's difficult to deal with things you don't like in the outside world, it's comforting to find a conspiracy to blame. Small minded and unsophisticated. But comforting. No worries.

Thanks for attacking me. I greatly appreciate that. How very sophisticated, intelligent and very large minded of you. You must have went to college to figure all of that thought out. Gold star! Or is that a participation trophy?

 

I don't think personal attacks are tolerated here. I may be wrong.

[Hawkeye]

How about we get back on topic (lakes/central autumn) and take the divisive stuff to other forums?

[OKwx2k4]

How about we get back on topic and take the divisive stuff to other forums?

I agree and I apologize for my part in that. I'm terribly sorry for any offense I caused any other posters and dear friends here except that one in particular. I'll control myself better in the future.

[Stacsh]

H

 

Hey man, I get it. When you've lived in the same small town your whole life, and it's difficult to deal with things you don't like in the outside world, it's comforting to find a conspiracy to blame. Small minded and unsophisticated. But comforting. No worries.

Don’t bother. These people get their weather/climate news from each other on the internet. These people have no degree, no peer reviewed research. They are politically motivated amateurs who get their news from a biased non-factual Source. You can’t argue with people who refuse facts. They are easily swayed by conspiracies or anything they want to hear. They will post graphs and theories and such but none of it is accepted or peer reviewed. Just laugh and move on. I’m here to talk about current weather and longer range models.

[OKwx2k4]

Don’t bother. These people get their weather/climate news from each other on the internet. These people have no degree, no peer reviewed research. They are politically motivated amateurs who get their news from a biased non-factual Source. You can’t argue with people who refuse facts. They are easily swayed by conspiracies or anything they want to hear. They will post graphs and theories and such but none of it is accepted or peer reviewed. Just laugh and move on. I’m here to talk about current weather and longer range models.

I didn't know The Guardian, Mashable, the media and an ad hominem attack were peer reviewed sources. Nor did I see a fact-based rebuttal to my statement. Maybe I'm confused. Pardon my lack of education good sir.

[Minny_Weather]

H

 

Hey man, I get it. When you've lived in the same small town your whole life, and it's difficult to deal with things you don't like in the outside world, it's comforting to find a conspiracy to blame. Small minded and unsophisticated. But comforting. No worries.

Being condescending isn't a way to constructively argue, just a casual fyi.

[OmahaSnowFan]

Except the parts where they've injected the narrative in all of their cold weather stories that somehow arctic airmass displacement would be caused by climate change. Warmth=climate change, more hurricanes=climate change, less hurricanes=climate change. It's in every single story. Show me where they have simply wrote the weather news in an article without injecting pointed narrative into every one of them. It's simple, they haven't. They cannot and they will not. One part of the artic was in fact ice free for an extended time this year. So was the Northwest Passage. They have both been ice free before, hence there would never have been a Northwest Passage to begin with. One glacier disappeared. Awww, poor thing. Yet Greenland(remember all the panic?) Has securely spent the vast majority of the last 120+ days solidly below average in temperatures. So has the core of the central CONUS EVEN AFTER THE LAST 3 WEEKS OF HEAT(as of Sept 22nd.). Hmmmm..... sounds like simple displacement of cold away from the AK/Russian side of the Arctic down into NA and over to Greenland and even western Russia. Oops. When you have a weak AO in summer, that happens. It's called weather.

 

Amazing thing, when it cools off here in a couple of days, the western Artic is going to get warm again. That might be where our cold air and all the other midlatitudes' cold air comes from. Amazing. Not.

 

But let's keep poisoning young people by telling them they can control something that they have no control over and making them dread life after 20 so they have nothing to live for and shoot themselves at 15 years old. Or have psychological problems for the rest of their lives because they have faith in science and the manipulation of education and leftist government, which oppresses and fails them to keep their Hope's in nothing and makes them weak and dependent.

 

Give me a fnçking break.

               I think you need a Snickers. 

 

I'd rather believe in scientific facts and a near unanimous scientific consensus than an invisible made up thing that the Right believes in and tries to use to make all of their policy decisions on for the country. You all believe in a God you can't see based on a made up book with no evidence and who you think is the thing that is taking care of us and this planet and every living thing on it. And then you all REFUTE ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC FACTS AS CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND HOAXES MADE UP BY THE MEDIA, THE LEFT, THE GOVERNMENT, CHINA, AND A SECRET UNDERGROUND ORGANIZATION OF SCIENTISTS AROUND THE WORLD THAT ARE MAKING ALL THIS UP FOR MANIPULATION OF EDUCATION, MANIPULATION AND DEPENDENCE ON THE GOVERNMENT, AND FINANCIAL GAIN. Makes sense