jaster220 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 I like that #10 As for the late month storm, the GEFS continue to suggest a hard cutter and paint a swath of snow across the central Plains up into the Upper MW and parts of the MW? Let's see if the models trend more towards a slider. If the Euro was showing even a remote hint of a slider, I'd be more excited for the chance that #10 could happen. Until then, it's looking like wash, rinse, repeat of the Nino style 2019. 1 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Beautiful sunny morning outside w temps at 31F. Highs today in the upper 40s to near 50. Tomorrow calls for more 50s, possibly mid to upper 50s and even more 50s by Saturday b4 we start cooling off by the following week. Tbh, I am starting to get used to this nice mild weather. You need to move back to NYC and take this stuff with you. For a native Michigander, this is the pits! (at Christmas) Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 If I recall, in some of the legendary winters of the late 70's, there were "pullbacks" in December but I don't think to the extent we are seeing this December. Maybe some of you history folks can chime in regarding those past years or any other similar Autumn & Winter seasons that seem to show the same flavor as this season. Looking at KBTL data for Dec's of 1976/77/78, you are correct in that all (3) featured at least a mini torch-off of early month snow cover. 1977 even hit 51F on the 16th and had as little as 1" on the 25th. Only 1977 did NOT have 1" depth or better every day of the month! (24 days) The biggest difference is how much MORE snow cover days every one of those Decembers had vs this year. Like night and day really. But, as we know, the big picture pattern was much more OHV centric than this era. Last winter wasn't at all focused in the Lwr Lakes. And this winter needs to turn a corner quickly or it will end up being the same. EDIT - Unless something changes drastically with the late-month storm, KBTL will have a mere (5) days with 1"+ OTG 3 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtown Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Storms and cold keep getting pushed farther down the road. Now the new year, before it was the 27th, before that the 21st....sick feeling in my stomach about this winter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianJK Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Storms and cold keep getting pushed farther down the road. Now the new year, before it was the 27th, before that the 21st....sick feeling in my stomach about this winter. Pretty much the theme the last several winters. Just wait 2 more weeks, 2 more weeks, 2 more weeks..... Just keep calling for cold and snow and eventually it'll come to fruition - even if it's not until February and only for 1 week. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 12z GFS...certainly doesn't have that hard cutter look... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE Wisconsin Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Storms and cold keep getting pushed farther down the road. Now the new year, before it was the 27th, before that the 21st....sick feeling in my stomach about this winter.Yep, I agree. No snow for Christmas. But somehow I get this feeling that there will be a foot OTG for Easter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Storms and cold keep getting pushed farther down the road. Now the new year, before it was the 27th, before that the 21st....sick feeling in my stomach about this winter. Rough timing for Pure Michigan's new tourist slogan "Let's Winter" Pretty much the theme the last several winters. Just wait 2 more weeks, 2 more weeks, 2 more weeks..... Just keep calling for cold and snow and eventually it'll come to fruition - even if it's not until February and only for 1 week. You got Feb? My chart says I had slightly above avg snow last Feb, but when each event is followed shortly by mid-50's it never felt like it. Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 12z GFS...certainly doesn't have that hard cutter look... That's big progress bud. I'd like to see you N IL folks score if any way possible. Such track might mean decent LES on the back side for here. Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Oh Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaSnowFan Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 And 3” of ice in northeast Kansas on the Canadian. Right...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacsh Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Went for a walk with the twins. Sweating 49 and full sun. Such a rarity in West Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaSnowFan Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 No way we make it to the upper 50s here. Have had a thick layer of cirrus all morning and we’re still stuck in the mid 40s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 You need to move back to NYC and take this stuff with you. For a native Michigander, this is the pits! (at Christmas)Trust me...I am thinking about it. Michigan is too boring for me. I am a city boy..always have and always will be. I come from the badside of the hood..... Tbh..I have been here now for several years and I only saw 1 real Winter and that was 2013-14. The rest were a joke. Unless you go up north, then, that is a whole different story. 1 Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 And 3” of ice in northeast Kansas on the Canadian. Right......You’re correct. This would be massive devastation if that amount of ice fell. Holy cow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Currently at 48F w deep blue sunny skies. 1 Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Looks like euro is gonna be another dud. Energy is deeper in the SW(relative to GFS) and there’s a 1027 high over Missouri. Too far south. If this is gonna be a system the high needs to be farther to the north or this won’t have a chance. Quote 2021-22 Snowfall: (Hiawatha) TOTAL: 10.2" (12/28: 3.0") (12/29: 0.8") (1/1: 6.4") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDR Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 The king has laid a turd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 12z GEFS...sliding SE... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 People are outside playing ball, golfing and I swear I saw 3 people today watering their property (although, not sure what the heck they could actually water at this time of the year, but whateva) and I could go on and on. What a spectacular weekend weatherwise this has been so far. Wow! Today I am actually thinking of replacing my batteries on all of my outdoor lights. Perhaps, do some other outdoor activities as well or work on the house (I just hate climbing up the latter....UGH!). We all know this type of weather will not last forever this time of the year. 4 Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowawx Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Cedar Rapids has reached 50 degrees. It feels very nice outside with a south wind. I have windows open at home. I am actually hoping that we end up on the warm side of this storm for next weekend. Since it's not going to be a white christmas here, I am fine with snow holding off until January. We have not had any mesurable rain here in the month of December so it would be nice if we end up on the warm side of the storm. The GFS last night had us on the warm side of the storm. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 57 here now, forecasted to hit 60. Have turned off the heat and opened the windows. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 57 here now, forecasted to hit 60. Have turned off the heat and opened the windows.I also turned off the heat, but it’s only 41F here. Full sun and the back of my house faces south. I’m sweating as a do some cleaning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 I also turned off the heat, but it’s only 41F here. Full sun and the back of my house faces south. I’m sweating as a do some cleaning.For you guys to be 41 up there on December 22 is amazing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDR Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Cedar Rapids has reached 50 degrees. It feels very nice outside with a south wind. I have windows open at home. I am actually hoping that we end up on the warm side of this storm for next weekend. Since it's not going to be a white christmas here, I am fine with snow holding off until January. We have not had any mesurable rain here in the month of December so it would be nice if we end up on the warm side of the storm. The GFS last night had us on the warm side of the storm. I agree 100%In fact once we get past Christmas I wouldn’t mind rain here on out because we’re low on moisture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianJK Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 wonder what the record is around here for consecutive hours above freezing in December? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Fired up the grill and makin’ some chicken thighs. Both of my neighbors are outside cleaning the inside of their cars. Spring cleaning??? Sure seems like and feels like it today! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzcoat Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 10-12 days ago the Euro showed what is going on today. The GFS showed cold/snow. 10-12 days from now will likely be the Euro being right. Again. Quote The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 12z Euro mean and ensembles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 12z CMC mean looks like the GEFS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDR Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Gfs looks interesting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Gfs looks interestingIt's trending to more of a slider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaSnowFan Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Where’s the cold? 100s of miles north of the Canadian border. Looks like a nice New Year’s Eve if this holds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzcoat Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 ^- the GFS is caving to the Euro with lack of cold invading the Lower 48. Maybe by the middle of Jan? 4 Quote The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan1117 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Hit 53 degrees here today in my neighborhood, with plenty of bright and warm sunshine this afternoon. Took advantage of the beautiful weather to hit the park with my kids, and play some basketball with them outside on the courts... not a bad way to spend a Sunday in mid-to-late December at all in my book. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 The lack of cold is striking. All the models not showing much of anything. Whoever gets snow this week, it doesn’t look to stick around long unless there are some massive changes to a colder pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKEKC Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Yep, pattern has been a blow torch this month and it will finish that way. Even with the modeled storm this up coming weekend, the snow side falls in 29-33 degree air for most. Hopefully the data is wrong on the lack of cold in the pattern. Enjoying the nice weather but prefer to have a snow pack and cold temps. Go Chiefs! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDR Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Maybe the shortest winter on record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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