MossMan Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Chilly but dry day up here so far. I’m a few miles north from my house at a dog agility competition so I don’t have a temp but the clouds definitely kept the chill in. Have we ever had a prolonged split flow hell pattern happen around this time of the year and still get arctic nailed later in the season? I don’t recall one in my lifetime. As much as I do not want to agree with Phil and I don’t agree with his assessment of not needing a -PNA for the “goodies” out here...However I will say this sure seems like we are currently in an El Niño state. Sure hope that fades quickly. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighlandExperience Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 What was cascade pack like in 2004-2005? I at least think there should be some snow in the PNW, just nothing is screaming big wildfire season next summer.It was terrible 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 After the historically dry November a mild wetter December is the best sign possible for January. A continuation of cool and dry would probably signal a 76-77 redux. 2 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighlandExperience Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 It was terrible during winter... ski season was non-existent. But I think there was lots of mountain snow very late in the season... like into April.I remember that season. Basically we got dumped on in Spring with snow. To late for most people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaraptor Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 What was cascade pack like in 2004-2005? I at least think there should be some snow in the PNW, just nothing is screaming big wildfire season next summer. https://www.timberlinelodge.com/mountain/historical-snow-data 2004-05 ranks as one of the four worst snow years ever recorded at Timberline Lodge, right down with 14-15, 76-77, and 80-81 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWaWx Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Raining pretty hard out there, first rainfall of December and first measurable rainfall since 11/26. Was a nice cold snap we had, light, non-accumulating snow on 11/26 and 12/1. Few nights in the mid 20s. Looking forward to a more active wetter pattern though. Quote Tacoma WA elevation 300’ Monthly rainfall-3.56” Warm season rainfall-11.14” Max temp-88 +80 highs-2 +85 highs-2 +90 highs-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWaWx Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 November ended with 1.83” of rainfall, drier than September (2.84”) and October (4.04”). Barely wetter than August, which had 1.57” of rainfall. We’re at 23.39” of rainfall for the year. Quote Tacoma WA elevation 300’ Monthly rainfall-3.56” Warm season rainfall-11.14” Max temp-88 +80 highs-2 +85 highs-2 +90 highs-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 https://www.timberlinelodge.com/mountain/historical-snow-data 2004-05 ranks as one of the four worst snow years ever recorded at Timberline Lodge, right down with 14-15, 76-77, and 80-81 Some interesting data there. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Yeah, we’re f*cked. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Some yellow radar echoes over my area... result on the ground is a few fat snowflakes falling and 39 degrees. The frost that had stayed in the shade in the backyard all week has finally disappeared. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 I think there is some opportunity in late December/January, but the deck is definitely stacked against us. 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighlandExperience Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 I think there is some opportunity in late December/January, but the deck is definitely stacked against us.Cold October screwed us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Supercell Posted December 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 https://www.timberlinelodge.com/mountain/historical-snow-data 2004-05 ranks as one of the four worst snow years ever recorded at Timberline Lodge, right down with 14-15, 76-77, and 80-81 I remember '14-'15 Well at least in the Fall it rained and we had endless windstorms regionally. Quote Ashland, KY Weather '23-'24 Winter Snowfall - 5.50" First freeze: 11/1 (32) Minimum: 2 on 1/17 Measurable snows: 4 Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19) Thunders: 16 1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15 3/26, 3/30, 3/31, 4/2, 4/3, 4/8, Severe storms: 2 ------------------------------------------------------- [Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021] https://imgur.com/SuGTijl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Cold October screwed usIt’s literally the first day of winter. We may be praising the cold October as being a great sign of things to come in several weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaraptor Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 It’s literally the first day of winter.And it’s already over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 It’s literally the first day of winter. I think she was joking. 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 12z CFS running. Out to hour 408. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Supercell Posted December 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 https://www.timberlinelodge.com/mountain/historical-snow-data 2004-05 ranks as one of the four worst snow years ever recorded at Timberline Lodge, right down with 14-15, 76-77, and 80-81 Does Crater Lake have a site similar to this? Quote Ashland, KY Weather '23-'24 Winter Snowfall - 5.50" First freeze: 11/1 (32) Minimum: 2 on 1/17 Measurable snows: 4 Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19) Thunders: 16 1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15 3/26, 3/30, 3/31, 4/2, 4/3, 4/8, Severe storms: 2 ------------------------------------------------------- [Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021] https://imgur.com/SuGTijl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perturbed Member Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 I'm not sure what the actual precip totals were but I'm gonna hand the NAM the win over the GFS as far as that goes. GFS was way too dry with this and the NAM actually nailed all the juicy precip rates coming up the coast range and western half of the metro. Pretty ridiculous how much more wet the 00z NAM is when compared to the 00z GFS given that this is just a few hours away now. Pretty ridiculous how much more wet the 00z NAM is when compared to the 00z GFS given that this is just a few hours away now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 I'm not sure what the actual precip totals were but I'm gonna hand the NAM the win over the GFS as far as that goes. GFS was way too dry with this and the NAM actually nailed all the juicy precip rates coming up the coast range and western half of the metro. Precip at SLE, EUG, HIO, PDX was anywhere from 0.07"-0.16"... I would say the GFS was spot on if not a little too wet. 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Some western troughing returns around the 20th. 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Courtesy of Brian Schmidt. Very sobering list. 3 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 I'm not sure what the actual precip totals were but I'm gonna hand the NAM the win over the GFS as far as that goes. GFS was way too dry with this and the NAM actually nailed all the juicy precip rates coming up the coast range and western half of the metro. Only .03 here so far. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 2015-16 climo would suggest this is a possibility. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 EPS looks much more zonal, with lower heights than the operational Euro in the 9-10 day period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Mission accomplished. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Blocking returns for the holiday! Think retrograde and polar vortex for New Year's! 2 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CulverJosh Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 EPS looks much more zonal, with lower heights than the operational Euro in the 9-10 day period.Definitely doesn’t look splitty. Vast improvement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CulverJosh Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Blocking returns for the holiday! D**n that pesky hr 564. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Well... except for that 18Z NAM run which showed Seattle being buried today.That was obviously an outlier and it corrected itself in the 00z. Given how challenging snow forecast can be for the area, the NWS nailed this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Blocking returns for the holiday! Think retrograde and polar vortex for New Year's! I'm pretty sure Phil will be along soon here to let the air out of that fairy tale. Quote "Avoiding unwanted weather is a key element of happiness." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWaWx Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 43 for the high so far, 0.03” of rain today, poured for about 5 minutes earlier today. Quote Tacoma WA elevation 300’ Monthly rainfall-3.56” Warm season rainfall-11.14” Max temp-88 +80 highs-2 +85 highs-2 +90 highs-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Supercell Posted December 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 0.11" precip at KLMT for November. Though during most of the snowfall they were just spitting out traces, I don't think the water equivalent was represented well. Quote Ashland, KY Weather '23-'24 Winter Snowfall - 5.50" First freeze: 11/1 (32) Minimum: 2 on 1/17 Measurable snows: 4 Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19) Thunders: 16 1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15 3/26, 3/30, 3/31, 4/2, 4/3, 4/8, Severe storms: 2 ------------------------------------------------------- [Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021] https://imgur.com/SuGTijl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Courtesy of Brian Schmidt. Very sobering list. Not good. I ended the month with just under 4”. 1 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Had 10 minutes of sporadic flakes about an hour ago. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Supercell Posted December 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Not good. I ended the month with just under 4”. My comparisons aren't handy right now (unless Medford makes a post about it), but 0.11" is bone dry for KLMT, has to be top 5 driest. Quote Ashland, KY Weather '23-'24 Winter Snowfall - 5.50" First freeze: 11/1 (32) Minimum: 2 on 1/17 Measurable snows: 4 Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19) Thunders: 16 1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15 3/26, 3/30, 3/31, 4/2, 4/3, 4/8, Severe storms: 2 ------------------------------------------------------- [Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021] https://imgur.com/SuGTijl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umadbro Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Cold air scoured out now. Ended up with about an inch last night. Never turned to rain until about 11am this morning. Quote https://ambientweather.net/dashboard/efcb24c8a999dceddfaba7469ce5bd2f my personal weather station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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