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18z NAM3k to Niko "I read you loud-n-clear, over"

 

 

:) Go NAM! 

 

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Roger that buddy!!!! We are looking good!! :D

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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This thing seems to be breaking up for NE IL people.

 

There are some heavy bursts moving in, but it's a pretty shrunk-down deformation zone.  This system really lost its mojo.

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season snowfall: 34.8"

'22-23: 30.2"      '21-22: 27.1"      '20-21: 52.5"      '19-20: 36.2"      '18-19: 50.2"      '17-18: 39.5"

Average snowfall: ~30"

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Holy cow, this storm dropped a giant turd on the region.  Nobody expected it to dry up like this.

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season snowfall: 34.8"

'22-23: 30.2"      '21-22: 27.1"      '20-21: 52.5"      '19-20: 36.2"      '18-19: 50.2"      '17-18: 39.5"

Average snowfall: ~30"

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I drove to the city, down to the lake and it was barley snowing. On the way back on the 90 towards ORD, it’s like a hit a wall of snow. Huge dendrites, snow blowing sideways, near whiteout conditions...it certainly looks like winter wonderland out there!

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Radar trends don’t look good for NE IL...main energy from Defo band is trending SE. Will be good for N IN/S MI peeps...

 

TSSN downstate in IL, but not sure this thing's going to hold together up here. Had to go out to the store and it's a very light freezing drizzle that's not accumulating much due to a temp close to 32F and the warmth of everything just this morning. The Meso discussion mentions the warm nose aloft that will eventually erode, but it wouldn't surprise me if that took just long enough to hose any decent shot at accum's even for here. I say this because as you know, the Mitt is always a little bit sheltered from cold to our north. You can see that clearly every time you loop one of the temp maps for an arctic push. The cold comes around the south end of lake Michigan and due east and you will see NIN and NOH often colder than SMI. What's nice in that situation is a problem when you need a borderline event like this to "flip" from the erosion of a warm nose. We'll see I guess. 

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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Major bust here. Some sleet/very light frz rain. Nothing more.

 

Ouch. Your call/concerns that we'd finally get a beautiful track but the cold wouldn't show looks to be happening sadly. 

 

So many times I've said that we do best with a cold pattern. Gotta have cold to get snow around here. Only 6 of the past 42 days here have been at or below 32F. That's no way to run a winter. 

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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I drove to the city, down to the lake and it was barley snowing. On the way back on the 90 towards ORD, it’s like a hit a wall of snow. Huge dendrites, snow blowing sideways, near whiteout conditions...it certainly looks like winter wonderland out there!

 

Sweet! Hoping your place does well via the LEhs and I and others in SMI get lucky via the defo rocking here.  ;)

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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Sweet! Hoping your place does well via the LEhs and I and others in SMI get lucky via the defo rocking here.  ;)

That defo band looks like it has eyes for NE IN and S/SE MI....not sure IndianaJohn gets hit as good, but maybe Hoosier???

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First Heavy Snow report of the season at ORD...

 

 

Heavy Snow Blowing Snow Freezing Fog and Breezy

29°F

Humidity 92% Wind Speed N 25 G 37 mph Barometer 29.85 in (1011.6 mb) Dewpoint 27°F (-3°C) Visibility 0.25 mi Wind Chill 15°F (-9°C) Last update 11 Jan 7:51 pm CST
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^^ jelly

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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^ looks like a bust for Chicago area? I see 3-5 in the grids but only see 1" or so reports?

There may be some 2-3" reports out in the far western burbs where the heavier bands set up but across the metro and into NE IL I'd say it was a bust, esp the northern burbs where they were forecast to get up into the warning criteria. 

 

 

Edit: Won't complain though, b/c its nice to see the landscape snow covered again.  I did, however, score on some very heavy snowfall rates which was nice to see.

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Freezing drizzle now currently and temps at 32F. Future radar shows snow moving in after midnight. In the meantime, everything outside will start icing up soon.

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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Just took a few measurements on my deck and came up with a whopping...drum roll please...1.9"!  Not sure how accurate it will be with all the wind blowing the snow around and off of my roof.  Should be close to that I'd imagine because we did have some very heavy snowfall rates.

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Everything is icing up outside currently. Very treacherous driving conditions. Temp attm is 31F w freezing rain.

Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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Honest question. What were some of the heaviest snow reports from this system??? Seems like a major bust from most of the posts in this thread. Were there some lollipops?

Taking a look at all the snow reports across our Sub, down in KS/MO a general 2-5" range fell there, a few 4" reports in C IL and in C IA...ORD official tally was 2.1"

Edit: Even up in N MI they had no more than 4" when they were showing to get 8-12"+ each and every run.

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Taking a look at all the snow reports across our Sub, down in KS/MO a general 2-5" range fell there, a few 4" reports in C IL and in C IA...ORD official tally was 2.1"

Edit: Even up in N MI they had no more than 4" when they were showing to get 8-12"+ each and every run.

 

Yep, and that office had some explaining to do as most. Unlike other offices, they tried by publishing this:

 

20200112 APX Storm FAIL Graphic.png

 

Here in Marshall, we ALWAYS get the wet part correct:

 

0755 PM HEAVY RAIN 2 SSE MARSHALL 42.23N 84.95W

01/11/2020 M2.26 INCH CALHOUN MI AWOS

 

AWOS STATION KRMY MARSHALL BROOKS FIELD.

 

As we know, the Euro failed just as miserably with it's portrayal of a "Major Snowstorm" with amounts as high as 30+ inches at one point across NMI (incredibly off the mark!). When this thread was started the Euro still had the heavy swath where (in a typical cold regime it would've been) right across SMI. So, it had the end track correct way back on Monday prior to shifting NW with the heavy snow swath and "yellow track" per the APX graphic. In that shifted position it insisted on 1/2" of snow for mby which is where I ended up. It's (and other model's) better snows as they realized the track would be more SE weren't doing a good job with the warm nose aloft. Only some of the SR models kept snowfall minimal here, most along with the globals showed 2-4". I do see a 2" report about 40 mi due north so you could say that's how far they missed this by for mby. 

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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Its icy and received little snow on top of the ice. Roads are a mess. Haven't been out yet, but I can tell from my sidewalk and road. Temp is at 22F.

 

Picked up .025" of ice followed by a dusting f snow.

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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Its icy and received little snow on top of the ice. Roads are a mess. Haven't been out yet, but I can tell from my sidewalk and road. Temp is at 22F.

 

Not much of a "winter" storm, eh bud? Due to poor timing of moisture and cold, places at lower latitudes have had better snows than us which is very much like a strong Nino, even tho that's not the current ENSO state. 

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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Not much of a "winter" storm, eh bud? Due to poor timing of moisture and cold, places at lower latitudes have had better snows than us which is very much like a strong Nino, even tho that's not the current ENSO state. 

Yep, kinda looks like being South (perhaps Tennessee area ). This would be their typical winterstorm. Nevertheless, its icy out there. A typical Nino Winter.

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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All Sunday church services were canceled this morning due to very icy conditions. TBH, .25" of ice is quite disruptive, no wonder.

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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In a continuation of the "strangely parallel seasons" category, I checked my records and confirmed my memory that exactly 1 year ago, the 11-12th storm delivered the same 0.5" total for mby. So, both years MO got way more snow from these storms while I got the same amount of Chump change!  :blink:

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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I forgot to mention that I received 0.65" of precip from this system.  I had to bring the entire gauge stand into the basement to melt all the ice it was encased in.

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season snowfall: 34.8"

'22-23: 30.2"      '21-22: 27.1"      '20-21: 52.5"      '19-20: 36.2"      '18-19: 50.2"      '17-18: 39.5"

Average snowfall: ~30"

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I forgot to mention that I received 0.65" of precip from this system.  I had to bring the entire gauge stand into the basement to melt all the ice it was encased in.

I just went out with warm water and slowly poured it over the mounting brackets to get mine loose. Also climbed the icy windmill very carefully and melted the ice off my anemometer that way.

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