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I really hope nobody gets snow from this after the attitude I've seen. It's a FACT that this looks like a strung out piece of crap for MOST of the forum we're posting in.  Just because your backyard has some snow on models doesn't mean the pattern is good or the storm impressive. It's a positively tilted weak wave for MOST. Is that really so hard to hear? Michigan posters, no offense but you're kinda out in no man's land compared to the rest of this forum. Other people who don't live there are allowed to vent when a pattern looks like junk.

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"Compared to the rest of the forum". We have members all over the Midwest. I guess the Chicago and Indiana posters, who happen to be relatively close to Michigan, are also in no man's land. 

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I really hope nobody gets snow from this after the attitude I've seen. It's a FACT that this looks like a strung out piece of crap for MOST of the forum we're posting in.  Just because your backyard has some snow on models doesn't mean the pattern is good or the storm impressive. It's a positively tilted weak wave for MOST. Is that really so hard to hear? Michigan posters, no offense but you're kinda out in no man's land compared to the rest of this forum. Other people who don't live there are allowed to vent when a pattern looks like junk.

So I guess if you live in Michigan nothing really matters because we are in no man's land.  Wow!

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I live in Michigan and I’m throwing in the towel. Winter is OVA!

 

I think so Stacsh. Across the countryside in today's sunshine and warmth the foliage already had that light pink hue of spring buds. Winter took a hiatus. At our latitude anyways. Just like 2011-12, the most hyped winters become dumpster fires, lol. 

 

Famous last words....

 

Not this year, at least real winter's prolly done with. Fleeting snow-cover events not withstanding. 

 

After today's conditions, I'm almost ready to just move on myself. Have a busy spring of moving planned.  :)

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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18Z Euro - I can only go out 90 hours- snow in TX is impressive.http://proa.accuweather.com/gradsimage10/ecmwfued/18Z/ecmwfued-null--conus-90-C-kucheratot.png

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Famous last words....

I’m an optimist. But this year just doesn’t have it. We will get some snow again. No doubt. But for here, this is not winter. Even those that don’t follow winter are like this is not a winter. It’s a long cold autumn. Wishing winter doesn’t make it happen. Being mad at people pointing out the obvious doesn’t make winter appear.

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I think so Stacsh. Across the countryside in today's sunshine and warmth the foliage already had that light pink hue of spring buds. Winter took a hiatus. At our latitude anyways. Just like 2011-12, the most hyped winters become dumpster fires, lol. 

 

 

Not this year, at least real winter's prolly done with. Fleeting snow-cover events not withstanding. 

 

After today's conditions, I'm almost ready to just move on myself. Have a busy spring of moving planned.  :)

I think my area today hit 50F or a tad better. Felt awesome. Dont worry bud, Winter is not gone yet.

 

Amigo....The GFS has gone NW a few runs, no?!

Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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18Z Euro - I can only go out 90 hours- snow in TX is impressive.http://proa.accuweather.com/gradsimage10/ecmwfued/18Z/ecmwfued-null--conus-90-C-kucheratot.png

 

 

 

 

I can only go out 90 hours

 

Well, without that final wave getting involved with the ULL/Trough, I think that covers it. You can see the better snows up in NY state. TX doing better/best would not surprise me. Seems like the Plains and MW have had better cold air penetration all winter. We've been sheltered from marginal cold with the warm GL's. Now it's end of MET winter and the lakes are cooler, but we still seem to have a struggle getting things to blossom for us. Timing, etc all seem off this winter. Nothing wants to pan out during DJF

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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I think my area today hit 50F or a tad better. Felt awesome. Dont worry bud, Winter is not gone yet.

 

Amigo....The GFS has gone NW a few runs, no?!

 

Not sure tbh since I stopped paying much attention to it, lol.  As for winter. Some could argue it never showed. Seriously, when I'm chasing 11-12 you know it's bad. I'd show just how bad by taking away my Nov snow, but in an odd parallel, my biggest storm of that winter was also in Nov!   :wacko:

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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18Z Euro - I can only go out 90 hours- snow in TX is impressive.http://proa.accuweather.com/gradsimage10/ecmwfued/18Z/ecmwfued-null--conus-90-C-kucheratot.png

 

For comparison, Feb 2014 storm 6 yrs ago that had it's act together:

 

20140131 NAM 18z 48hr Snowfall.png

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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For comparison, Feb 2014 storm 6 yrs ago that had it's act together:

 

attachicon.gif20140131 NAM 18z 48hr Snowfall.png

I remember that storm. That was a hvy snowstorm. I had almost near zero visibility at times.

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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Did I mention timing seems off this winter for here? Some years everything clicks. Then there's years like this

 

 

 

As for the snow potential...still a lot of uncertainty. Overall
model qpf for this period is for well below normal values. The
main upper level trough stays west of the CWA through the week.
Any embedded waves in this pattern remain weak.
Models are
struggling with the timing and track of these waves but several
windows exist for a chance for snow here in the CWA. Later
Wednesday into Wednesday night the system in the Rockies kicks out
and weakens as it loses amplitude upon approaching the CWA.
Still
with some models showing the DGZ saturated and it being plenty
cold enough for snow...we will feature a low chance for snow then.
Another weak wave is shown to arrive Thursday into Friday...but
trends on this potential system are for a weaker wave with
multiple models now keeping it dry.

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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I remember that storm. That was a hvy snowstorm. I had almost near zero visibility at times.

 

I had 6" on the 1st with another 5.5" four days later. By that point, the snow and piles were so deep it looked like the UP. Insane heavy winter for this region. Nature's signals were evident too, whereas this autumn there were none indicative of a harsh winter incoming. #organicforecasting

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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I think my area today hit 50F or a tad better. Felt awesome. Dont worry bud, Winter is not gone yet.

 

Amigo....The GFS has gone NW a few runs, no?!

 

The GEFS Tom posted earlier actually weren't too bad for us. As for the OP GFS, this from AmWx:

 

"The GFS has actually been trending slightly north and west over the last few runs."

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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I had 6" on the 1st with another 5.5" four days later. By that point, the snow and piles were so deep it looked like the UP. Insane heavy winter for this region. Nature's signals were evident too, whereas this autumn there were none indicative of a harsh winter incoming. #organicforecasting

Not doubting you, I'm here to learn after all, please elaborate on nature's signals that year.

 

Edit: Feel free to elaborate in a different thread if needed.

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Nice scoring drive by KC! Some good air game and they caught a penalty break right after they lost the challenge call. Go Chiefs! 

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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Not doubting you, I'm here to learn after all, please elaborate on nature's signals that year.

 

Edit: Feel free to elaborate in a different thread if needed.

 

Keep in mind this was 6+ yrs ago and I'm not the expert on the subject. However, on a former SMI wx board there was a member who knew his stuff. Trees especially and the signs had to do with the amount of seeds/acorns/pine cones, etc. There were also some signs via animals like the activity level of squirrels storing up for winter and the thickness of the undercoat on horses. Certain insect behaviour is also supposed to be a signal, tho the wooly bear caterpillar stripes are questionable imho. I know some fruit farmers say they can tell from their autumn harvests as well, tho specifics elude me. Peach seed shapes is one iirc. It's a fascinating subject when you ponder just how the signal is sent/obtained. And the reactions have to be instinctual, like so many things in the animal kingdom. 

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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I really hope nobody gets snow from this after the attitude I've seen. It's a FACT that this looks like a strung out piece of crap for MOST of the forum we're posting in.  Just because your backyard has some snow on models doesn't mean the pattern is good or the storm impressive. It's a positively tilted weak wave for MOST. Is that really so hard to hear? Michigan posters, no offense but you're kinda out in no man's land compared to the rest of this forum. Other people who don't live there are allowed to vent when a pattern looks like junk.

 

Pattern, as I've posted about earlier, has been trash for us the last 2 seasons compared to y'all "out there"

 

20200202 MW Percent Snowfall last 2 winters.png

 

Who should have a right to gripe? This fella, that's who. 

 

I've also stated here more than once (when some insisted NEB_Wx's gripe posts were an issue) that I'm fine with Peeps venting their frustrations with an event/storm/pattern. 

 

I was also one of those out here in no man's land of the Sub cheering for ya when that storm got yby earlier this winter.  ;)

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Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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I really hope nobody gets snow from this after the attitude I've seen. It's a FACT that this looks like a strung out piece of crap for MOST of the forum we're posting in.  Just because your backyard has some snow on models doesn't mean the pattern is good or the storm impressive. It's a positively tilted weak wave for MOST. Is that really so hard to hear? Michigan posters, no offense but you're kinda out in no man's land compared to the rest of this forum. Other people who don't live there are allowed to vent when a pattern looks like junk.

No mans land? Dont make me laugh.....

 

We each have the right to say what we want and how we feel in a respective way that is. This is afterall a weather forum.

 

Btw: in the past, you quoted me some obnoxious remarks, but I decided to bypass it and ignore you. As a Mod, YOU should not treat posters that way. Thats all I have to say.

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Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area 

Oct 2023: 0.2" AN

Nov 2023: 2.2" AN

Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane!

Jan 2024: 17.0" AN

Feb 2024: 1.9"  BN

Mar 2024: 4.9" BN

April 2024:

Season So Far: 26.7"

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0z GFS going to be decent again? 

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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The 00z NAM basically has nothing for anyone.

 

You mean Clint's model?  :P

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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GFS baby back-peddling with a SLP in E Ohio vs WV as prior. Not a huge event per se, but I'd take it. 

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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Icon hits IL and MI good

 

Way north tho, like last night's 0z Euro. Follow the bouncing ball...er, storm

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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:rolleyes:  Nothing says winter of '19-20 like whiff S in the morning (GGEM) to rainer N by night time (ICON)

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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At Hawkeye. That looks like 12z GFS?

 

Nvrmd. I see you also added 0z later..thx

Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 52.8" (89% Normal Season)  Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13)   Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.1 Apr: 0.0

Avg = 59.2"  (Harrison): 2023-24 = xx.x" 

Avg = 45.0"  (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5"   2021-22 = 35.6"    

Avg = 49.7"  (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2"   2019-20 = 48.0"   2018-19 = 56.1"   2017-18 = 68.3"    2016-17 = 52"    2015-16 = 57.4"    2014-15 = 55.3"    2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!)  2012-13 = 47.2"    2011-12 = 43.7"

Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918

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Keep in mind this was 6+ yrs ago and I'm not the expert on the subject. However, on a former SMI wx board there was a member who knew his stuff. Trees especially and the signs had to do with the amount of seeds/acorns/pine cones, etc. There were also some signs via animals like the activity level of squirrels storing up for winter and the thickness of the undercoat on horses. Certain insect behaviour is also supposed to be a signal, tho the wooly bear caterpillar stripes are questionable imho. I know some fruit farmers say they can tell from their autumn harvests as well, tho specifics elude me. Peach seed shapes is one iirc. It's a fascinating subject when you ponder just how the signal is sent/obtained. And the reactions have to be instinctual, like so many things in the animal kingdom.

Fascinating subject for sure. My only issue is what I think a lot of people lose sight of is that we are just as much a part of nature as any creature or plant that has claimed this beautiful blue rock as home. We may know more in some areas, less in others.

 

I believe what has been proven is that evolution/survival is purely a reactionary instinct, not one of prediction. Point in the end is, no matter how much firewood I predict I would need for a winter, doesn't the caterpillar make the same assessment of the information presented to it as to how wooly it will need to be? And what says the info presented to any creature in the fall is correct? We see nature fail prematurely in the spring constantly.

 

I don't expect you to answer all or any of these questions. I just like discussion.

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