bud2380 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 6z GFS is gonna make Hawkeye happy (and me obviously). Really good hit. Looks a lot like 3K NAM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud2380 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 14” for CR. 17” for Dubuque 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Talk about model volatility with this system. Its just been the story all season long. I think a lot of has to do with the unusually strong AO this year and the models must be digesting the data and incorporating it in a way that offsets them. Haven't been able to post much since yesterday morning but back in the saddle this morning. Got a Baptism to go to later today so I'll be out of pocket till later. Meantime, the 00z Euro puts Chicago and most of N IL/NW IN/S MI back in the game.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzcoat Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 DMX now talking heavier snows.... Wow. Never thought that. I give up. The model volatility with this event is absurd and shows how much you can't trust ANYTHING. As the upper level wave continues to fill and the surface lownortheast late Monday, the northern stream wave/deepening closed lowwill begin to slide in from the northwest and attempt to phase withthe remnants of the exiting wave. This is where the details arehazy. GEFS members and available Euro ensemble members continue todepict a fairly wide range of solutions with the various phasingpossibilities. As an example, the 12z Euro and 00z GFS interplayresults in a Fujiwhara type effect with the surface low pulling itback west slightly, which would linger precip over portions ofcentral/eastern Iowa longer while the 00z Euro is further east andslower in the overtaking of the exiting wave and surface low.Even so, it does appear at least eastern Iowa is in line for thepotential for winter headline snowfall Tuesday into earlyWednesday. The greatest uncertainty lies as you move westward intocentral Iowa with the various tracks/solutions and a likelyfairly sharp cutoff wherever the deformation zone develops. As itcurrently stands, forecasts have risen significantly, with as muchas around 5 to 6 inches in the forecast for Des Moines and Amesareas and up to around 10 inches as you move east toward CedarRapids and Dubuque. 2 Quote The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 06z NAM...wow, what a perfect pivot for IA/N IL folks.... 06z NAM 3km... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzcoat Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 When will this energy be properly sampled? For sure has not at this point? Quote The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 00z EPS/Control...my, oh my, what a pretty map for the Chi...the EPS keeps getting juiced each run...gotta thank that Hudson Bay Block and what has been a season of missed opportunities, could this be the one that breaks that trend??? Gosh, I certainly hope so because time is running out before Spring settles in and we enter the time of year of "wasted cold". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 When will this energy be properly sampled? For sure has not at this point?It's been sampled already by now...energy made it onshore after 18z runs yesterday...see map below...ULL makin' its way into So Cal right around Noon yesterday. Prob why we are seeing the shifts SE per the latest runs. It could very well come back NW if the storm trends stronger. This evenings 00z runs should tell the story IMO bc the lead wave will be developing east of the Rockies right around 00z tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 06z GFS.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 I haven't read an AFD discussion from LOT like this all season long... The deepening closed upper low then continues to move slowly eastinto the western Great Lakes region Tuesday through Wednesday,with surface low pressure tracking from far southern IL earlyTuesday morning northeastward toward lower Michigan by Wednesdayevening. This slower and farther north track of the surface low isnot surprising given the wrapped-up nature of the deepening upperlow, though spread remains in the model track solutions duringthis period and further shifts are probable until guidanceconverges on a common solution. Setting aside track differences,it does appear that the potential for fairly strong forcing willdevelop during the Tuesday night through Wednesday period, withupper diffluence/left exit region divergence atop a developingeasterly warm advection trowal setup in addition to fairly steepmid-level lapse rates of 6 to 7 C/km. Dynamic cooling of thecolumn, and deepening low level cold advection on increasingnorth-northeast low level winds would result in a changeover tosnow from northwest to southeast across the forecast Tuesdaynight, with the potential for significant accumulating snow acrossportions of the cwa. Gusty 20-30 mph northerly winds would alsopotentially produce impacts of blowing and drifting snow. However,significant differences remain between models with the exacttrack of the system. This greatly affects the placement of theheaviest snow across the region, from IA-WI and far northwest ILfrom the farther north GFS, to a more direct impact from thefarther south ECMWF and CMC. Given the complexity of thedeveloping system and the potential for further model trackadjustments, forecasting explicit snow amounts remains difficultat this time. The basic message however is that the potentialexists for a significant snowfall of inches is possible acrossespecially northern parts of the forecast area mid-week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 06z GEFS...SE trend??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDR Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Everybody ready for another shift today! Let’s get ready to rumble! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubuque473 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 First time in 3 years I will have to refill my 2-Stage. Quote Dubuque 2007-2008 Winter 78.1" Total snowfall February Snowfall 32.5" City salt usage : 12,211 tons Days of measurable snow : 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratosjeff Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Everybody ready for another shift today! Let’s get ready to rumble!So now it's not missing us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 RPM model looks real good for E IA/N IL and into SE WI... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 When will this energy be properly sampled? For sure has not at this point? The second wave will be sampled later today. The 00z runs will have that data. Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Iowa cannot afford a delayed phase of the two waves. Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDR Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Man another shift se will take dsm out of anything with the nam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKwx2k4 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Looks cool enough to annoy and dust me a bit down here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 12z NAM continues the SE trend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 18z Euro...primarily all snow from I-80 on north in N IL...quite the wet storm shaping up...RPM looked similar to this run and painted over 1.30"qpf for Chicago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDR Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Nam looks good for eastern iowa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtown Posted February 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 lol should have known th SE trend would continue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Actually looks more NW than 6z at HR 51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDR Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Nam definitely Southeast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 12z NAM throwing out some lolipop totals for N IL thru Noon on Tuesday... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDR Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 In Iowa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Looks like 6-8:1 type ratios in Chicago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtown Posted February 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 oops was looking at 6z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 12z NAM...ORD literally in the jackpot...first run of the season to show such a beauty...hope the trend continues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud2380 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 NAM still looks great for Iowa city and CR. Looks similar in placement as the 00z run. Just with more reasonable snow totals. 10”+? Yes please. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud2380 Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 3k NAM with basically a foot of snow for Iowa city and the storm isn’t even done yet at the end of the run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hawkeye Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 So the 12k NAM shifted nw, but the 3k NAM shifted east. If the lead wave was just 3-6 hours slower, Iowa would be clobbered (not just eastern). Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 12z ICON is not budging from its southeast track. Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 The RGEM looks like the ICON. We still have a few models on our side, but I just don't feel good about this. Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 Icon shifted NW from 6z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtown Posted February 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 not too worried about the rgem and icon at this point...most winters we wouldnt even think about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 The waves appear a bit farther apart on the 12z GFS, so it should be at least a bit southeast. Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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