August 2023 Weather in the PNW

[Phil]

As I suspected @TT-SEA The overcast was observed during the overnight hours.

WRCC site is awesome, can look back at all 5min obs by going to “advanced settings” and checking the “retrieve historical data” box, then selecting the window of time you want to see.

[TT-SEA]

1 minute ago, Phil said:

How would you know, you were asleep. BTW these 5min obs can be retrieved on WRCC website. Give me 5 mins.

Because I know how it works in the summer... low clouds don't clear before sunrise.   If there are low clouds they are usually moving in during the early morning and take all morning to clear.

[MossMan]

To think…The highlight on the forum for at least the next year due to El Niño could be the great debate over marine clouds! At least we had a good what…7 seasons of fun weather? Oh well. 

[Phil]

Just now, TT-SEA said:

Because I know how it works in the summer... low clouds don't clear before sunrise.   If there are low clouds they are usually moving in during the early morning and take all morning to clear.

Apparently you don’t.   See above.

Again, our subjective recollections are often wrong.

[TT-SEA]

3 minutes ago, Phil said:

As I suspected @TT-SEA The overcast was observed during the overnight hours.

WRCC site is awesome, can look back at all 5min obs by going to “advanced settings” and checking the “retrieve historical data” box, then selecting the window of time you want to see.

Thin band of high clouds then... as evidenced by a 25-degree dewpoint suppression and a NNE wind at the time the clouds were reported.   Definitely not marine layer!   Anyways... it was a day with 20% cloud cover and it yet it was sunny all day.

[KeyPeninsula_Wx]

Lol, Phil the guy who came to Washington and didn’t even know which city he was in…trying to school the guy who cares more about cloud cover than anyone.
 I’m sure Tim knows what he’s talking about when it comes to this stuff since we typically get ecmwf cloudcover maps and marine layer forecast analysis that’s accurate almost every day. Also he lives here…unlike Phil

[TT-SEA]

2 minutes ago, Phil said:

Apparently you don’t.   See above.

Again, our subjective recollections are often wrong.

 A thin band of high clouds at 1 a.m. does not make for a day that is 20% cloudy.    Objectively it was technically cloudy for 20% of the day.   On a day with sunshine from dawn to dusk and no low clouds at all.  

[Phil]

4 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Thin band of high clouds then... as evidenced by a 25-degree dewpoint suppression and a NNE wind at the time the clouds were reported.   Anyways... it was a day with 20% cloud cover and it yet it was sunny all day.

Wrong again.  Roughly 4000ft base. Clouds above 12,000ft are not measured.

[TT-SEA]

Just now, TacomaWx said:

Lol, Phil the guy who came to Washington and didn’t even know which city he was in…trying to school the guy who cares more about cloud cover than anyone.
 I’m sure Tim knows what he’s talking about when it comes to this stuff since we typically get ecmwf cloudcover maps and marine layer forecast analysis that’s accurate almost every day. Also he lives here…unlike Phil

As a life-long resident of the Puget Sound... does a 1 a.m.  observation of 63 degrees and dewpoint of 39 with a NNE wind at 12 sound like marine layer clouds to you?   

[Phil]

1 minute ago, TT-SEA said:

 A thin band of high clouds at 1 a.m. does not make for a day that is 20% cloudy.    Objectively it was technically cloudy for 20% of the day.   On a day with sunshine from dawn to dusk and no low clouds at all.  

It wasn’t a thin band of high clouds, you goofball.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Did anyone see Phil in Washington? lol

[Phil]

2 minutes ago, TacomaWx said:

Lol, Phil the guy who came to Washington and didn’t even know which city he was in…trying to school the guy who cares more about cloud cover than anyone.
 I’m sure Tim knows what he’s talking about when it comes to this stuff since we typically get ecmwf cloudcover maps and marine layer forecast analysis that’s accurate almost every day. Also he lives here…unlike Phil

Except he (apparently) doesn’t even know how to read SeaTac cloud cover observations.  That’s just sad.

So take anything he says with a grain of salt.

[TT-SEA]

1 minute ago, Phil said:

It wasn’t a thin band of high clouds, you goofball.

So it was marine layer clouds?    63 degrees... dewpoint of 39... NNE wind at 12 at 1 a.m.?    Got it!  

You don't know Puget Sound weather very well then.  

[Phil]

Can y’all at least do some grade school research before smugly bloviating? Come on.

[Snownerd3000]

 

[Phil]

3 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

So it was marine layer clouds?    63 degrees... dewpoint of 39... NNE wind at 12 at 1 a.m.?    Got it!  

You don't know Puget Sound weather very well then.  

Wanna look at a sounding for that evening? I’ll bet there’s a moist layer aloft, at the top of (or above) the dry/mixed near surface BL. 

[TT-SEA]

1 minute ago, Phil said:

Can y’all at least do some grade school research before smugly bloviating? Come on.

You are ridiculous today.   I know the stats say it was cloudy 20% of the day on 7/1/23 and there was not a cloud in the sky all day in Seattle or here.    Stats don't tell the whole story.

[MossMan]

Memories! 

[TT-SEA]

5 minutes ago, Phil said:

Wanna look at a sounding for that evening? I’ll bet there’s a moist layer aloft, at the top of (or above) the dry/mixed near surface BL. 

How about a picture from 1 a.m. that day... mid level clouds drifted through in the early morning hours.   So it was technically cloudy for 20% of the day.    But yet it was totally sunny from dawn to dusk.    Stats don't tell the whole story.   

[Phil]

6 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

You are ridiculous today.   I know the stats say it was cloudy 20% of the day on 7/1/23 and there was not a cloud in the sky all day in Seattle or here.    Stats don't tell the whole story.

ASOS observations at multiple sites say otherwise. Are they all wrong? You somehow knew what the sky was doing while sound asleep?  

At least I know not to trust any of your observations going forward. You’ve always posted suspicious observations but at least now it’s confirmed.

Also explains why you’re vehemently opposed to setting up a weather station. Even when I offered to donate mine.

[Snownerd3000]

I hate it when my parents fight 

[TT-SEA]

Just now, Phil said:

ASOS observations at multiple sites say otherwise. Are they all wrong? You somehow knew what the sky was doing while sound asleep?  

At least I know not to trust any of your observations going forward. You’ve always posted suspicious observations but at least now it’s confirmed. 

See above.   We have an actual picture of the conditions.   And we also know it was warm and a little breezy that night.   A NE wind is usually warm in the summer.  

[Phil]

3 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

How about a picture from 1 a.m. that day... mid level clouds drifted through in the early morning hours.   So it was technically cloudy for 20% of the day.    But yet it was totally sunny from dawn to dusk.    Stats don't tell the whole story.   

Huh? Yes they do. What doesn’t tell the full story is ignoring the nighttime hours.  

This literally makes zero sense.

[Deweydog]

For the record, Patrick Duffy AND Jeff Goldblum were born on cloudy days.

[Phil]

4 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

See above.   We have an actual picture of the conditions.   And we also know it was warm and a little breezy that night.   A NE wind is usually warm in the summer.  

ASOS cloud base sensors cannot observe clouds above 12,000ft. So they must have been below that.

Definitely not “high clouds”. Whether they were 4,000ft or 8,000ft is semantics. It was overcast, so your claim was wrong.

[TT-SEA]

1 minute ago, Phil said:

Huh? Yes they do. What doesn’t tell the full story is ignoring the nighttime hours.  

This literally makes zero sense.

Pointing out that the sun is shining significantly more than 20-25% of the year here.  That is just the reality... obvious to anyone who lives here.      

[TT-SEA]

1 minute ago, Phil said:

ASOS cloud base sensors cannot observe clouds above 12,000ft. So they must have been below that.

Definitely not “high clouds”. Whether they were 4,000ft or 8,000ft is semantics. It was overcast, so your claim was wrong.

Irrelevant.   My point was that it was not low clouds.

[Phil]

1 minute ago, TT-SEA said:

Pointing out that the sun is shining significantly more than 20-25% of the year here.  That is just the reality... obvious to anyone who lives here.      

How many times do I have to remind you of this?

Skycover percentage ≠ sunshine hours. They’re two entirely different measurements, goofball.

[Phil]

3 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Irrelevant.   My point was that it was not low clouds.

4,000ft are generally considered to be low clouds. Fair weather cumulus are also in the category of “low clouds”

BTW I can see multiple cloud types in that image. But the majority of the sky is dark. That’s why we have infrared sensors.

Radiative transfer physics work the same in the PNW as everywhere else, my friend.

[TT-SEA]

Just now, Phil said:

How many times do I have to remind you of this?

Skycover percentage ≠ sunshine hours. They’re two entirely different measurements, goofball.

Arguing in circles.   I have just one point here... its actually sunnier than our reputation implies except for during the winter which is when our reputation is well earned.  

[Deweydog]

@Front Ranger

[Port Angeles Foothiller]

Holy sh*t guys. Can we focus on something else? What is the temp of lake sammamish?

[Phil]

3 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Arguing in circles.   I have just one point here... its actually sunnier than our reputation implies except for during the winter which is when our reputation is well earned.  

What reputation are you referring to? That sounds entirely subjective/anecdotal and impossible to prove/disprove.

You *do* have the cloudiest climate in the country, save parts of Alaska. That is not even debatable. Lots of people used to sunnier climates probably exaggerate the degree of cloudiness because they’re not used to it. 

[Slushy Inch]

31 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

As a life-long resident of the Puget Sound... does a 1 a.m.  observation of 63 degrees and dewpoint of 39 with a NNE wind at 12 sound like marine layer clouds to you?   

No

[Slushy Inch]

What do you guys think about the talk about that ocean current possibly turning off and potentially resulting in some cooling? Especially in Europe.

[TT-SEA]

1 minute ago, Phil said:

4,000ft are generally considered to be low clouds.

BTW I can see multiple cloud types in that image. But the majority of the sky is dark. That’s why we have infrared sensors.

Radiative transfer physics work the same in the PNW as everywhere else, my friend.

I could not care less.   It was a small patch of clouds moving through aloft overnight that kept moving across the mountains and to the east as you can see on the visible satellite in the morning.. not our usual low clouds.    It was a totally sunny day that did not appear that way in the daily stats.    

[TT-SEA]

6 minutes ago, Phil said:

What reputation are you referring to? That sounds entirely subjective/anecdotal and impossible to prove/disprove.

You *do* have the cloudiest climate in the country, save parts of Alaska. That is not even debatable. Lots of people used to sunnier climates probably exaggerate the degree of cloudiness because they’re not used to it. 

And parts of the rust belt.   Pittsburgh averages 2,030 sunshine hours per year while Seattle averages 2,170.   

And that was my point yesterday.   We are one of the cloudiest places in the US... but most of Europe has significantly less sun than Seattle.   Our reputation stems from a our position in our own country... not across the world.  

[Phil]

3 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

I could not care less.   It was a small patch of clouds moving through aloft overnight that kept moving across the mountains and to the east as you can see on the visible satellite in the morning.. not our usual low clouds.    It was a totally sunny day that did not appear that way in the daily stats.    

That’s because a “day” is 24hrs, goofball.

Lol’ing so hard rn.  

[T-Town]

31 minutes ago, Phil said:

Can y’all at least do some grade school research before smugly bloviating? Come on.

What can you do?  Bloviators gon bloviate.  

[Deweydog]

July 1 was sunny at the coast. I was there and it was divine.

Sorry, Sounders. If I could have bottled it and sent it your way I would!