September 2023 Weather in the PNW

[TT-SEA]

10 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Gross because they are relatively mild?

People have different preferences.    Just crazy.   

Our Port Angeles friend loves hiking in the mountains and snow but does not like frost during the warm season and our endlessly gloomy winters (his description).  A real enigma for you to figure out.  

[TigerWoodsLibido]

77F and sunny. Looks like we got down to 50F last night. We've gotten down into the 40s 5 times this Sept so far.

[TT-SEA]

75 with a deep blue sky... spectacular day.   

[SilverFallsAndrew]

8 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

People have different preferences.    Just crazy.   

Our Port Angeles friend loves hiking in the mountains and snow but does not like frost during the warm season and our endlessly gloomy winters (his description).  A real enigma for you to figure out.  

That map was pretty much spot on average for this time of year, the response didn't really make sense in any of the contexts you just made up. 

[TT-SEA]

13 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

That map was pretty much spot on average for this time of year, the response didn't really make sense in any of the contexts you just made up. 

It falls under the frost in the warm season preference... because I believe he is interpreting that map to mean frost is possible at his specific location.   And he does not appear to like that because of his extensive (and very impressive) garden.   That is my take... made sense to me.   Even if it is climo. 

[Cold Snap]

Had a low of 47 this morning. There was some pretty dense fog as well. Up to 72 now.

[TT-SEA]

Just now, Cold Snap said:

Had a low of 47 this morning. There was some pretty dense fog as well. Up to 72 now.

Could be some upper 30s in your area on Tuesday morning... particularly in the valleys.

[Cloud]

49 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

That map was pretty much spot on average for this time of year, the response didn't really make sense in any of the contexts you just made up. 

Maybe no hikey hikey end of Septembery! 

[Anti Marine Layer]

Looks like a few fires have started on the satellite. 

[Port Angeles Foothiller]

1 hour ago, TT-SEA said:

People have different preferences.    Just crazy.   

Our Port Angeles friend loves hiking in the mountains and snow but does not like frost during the warm season and our endlessly gloomy winters (his description).  A real enigma for you to figure out.  

I like my garden, so the longer a growing season the better. I prefer the first frost to wait till October. Won't be that lucky this year. 90 days between frosts. 

[Port Angeles Foothiller]

57 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

That map was pretty much spot on average for this time of year, the response didn't really make sense in any of the contexts you just made up. 

This would be the earliest frost for me in 6 years, by 2 weeks. This is following the latest frost for me by 2 weeks. That's 4 weeks less of garden growing. I don't mind the shoulder seasons, they just lasted too long and are coming on too fast for my garden likes this year. You win some you lose some. 

[Port Angeles Foothiller]

9 minutes ago, Cloud said:

Maybe no hikey hikey end of Septembery! 

Hiking in snow is no biggie. I'm good until avalanche danger becomes a problem. 

[TT-SEA]

10 minutes ago, Cloud said:

Maybe no hikey hikey end of Septembery! 

Frost at his location on Tuesday morning prevents him from hiking in late September?    

[Port Angeles Foothiller]

57 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

It falls under the frost in the warm season preference... because I believe he is interpreting that map to mean frost is possible at his specific location.   And he does not appear to like that because of his extensive (and very impressive) garden.   That is my take... made sense to me.   Even if it is climo. 

Believe it or not I got some super spicy habaneros and serranos this season!! Going to be able to make some hot sauce!

Also was a banner tomato year, 15 gallon bags frozen for processing into sauce (Oregon star tomatoes) this winter and over 35 lbs of slicing (cherokee purple) tomatoes... so many BLTs!!! Still a bunch still to ripen on the plants (hence my desire for the frost to wait). 

The best crop hands down was beans (bush/pole). 35 quarts canned and 15 gallon bags frozen. 

[Cloud]

4 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Frost at his location on Tuesday morning prevents him from hiking in late September?    

Yes. No. Maybe. Who knows! 

[Deweydog]

4 minutes ago, Port Angeles Foothiller said:

Believe it or not I got some super spicy habaneros and serranos this season!! Going to be able to make some hot sauce!

Also was a banner tomato year, 15 gallon bags frozen for processing into sauce (Oregon star tomatoes) this winter and over 35 lbs of slicing (cherokee purple) tomatoes... so many BLTs!!! Still a bunch still to ripen on the plants (hence my desire for the frost to wait). 

The best crop hands down was beans (bush/pole). 35 quarts canned and 15 gallon bags frozen. 

 

[TT-SEA]

3 minutes ago, Port Angeles Foothiller said:

Believe it or not I got some super spicy habaneros and serranos this season!! Going to be able to make some hot sauce!

Also was a banner tomato year, 15 gallon bags frozen for processing into sauce (Oregon star tomatoes) this winter and over 35 lbs of slicing (cherokee purple) tomatoes... so many BLTs!!! Still a bunch still to ripen on the plants (hence my desire for the frost to wait). 

The best crop hands down was beans (bush/pole). 35 quarts canned and 15 gallon bags frozen. 

It was a great garden year for sure.  Sounds awesome.    

You might have a warm-skewed view of gardening here based solely on the last 6 years.  But this probably the new normal so you moved here at the right time.   

[Cloud]

12 minutes ago, Port Angeles Foothiller said:

Hiking in snow is no biggie. I'm good until avalanche danger becomes a problem. 

I “attempted” a snow lake trail hike I think a couple years ago in March only to find out that the trails was still shut down due to snow covers when I got there. That was a bummer.  I gotta do a frost hike one of these days, I think it would be awesome, which would be part of the reason to opt for a hike in late Sept or Oct. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 hour ago, TT-SEA said:

It falls under the frost in the warm season preference... because I believe he is interpreting that map to mean frost is possible at his specific location.   And he does not appear to like that because of his extensive (and very impressive) garden.   That is my take... made sense to me.   Even if it is climo. 

30s in outlying areas during the 2nd half of the season would not qualify as frost in the warm season. It's highly typical and was common prior to the past decade. Our average first freeze used to be around September 20th, though now that date has moved back to the middle of October due to climate change. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

28 minutes ago, Port Angeles Foothiller said:

This would be the earliest frost for me in 6 years, by 2 weeks. This is following the latest frost for me by 2 weeks. That's 4 weeks less of garden growing. I don't mind the shoulder seasons, they just lasted too long and are coming on too fast for my garden likes this year. You win some you lose some. 

If you look at historical data for my area frost in late August was not uncommon during the previous climate era. Even in the past decade we have seen lows fall into the upper 30s during the past week of August several times. Including a low of 38 at the end of August 2020. I doubt from a historical perspective your area is much different. 

[Port Angeles Foothiller]

1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

If you look at historical data for my area frost in late August was not uncommon during the previous climate era. Even in the past decade we have seen lows fall into the upper 30s during the past week of August several times. Including a low of 38 at the end of August 2020. I doubt from a historical perspective your area is much different. 

I understand I have moved here into a changed climate. My gardening likely would not have been possible at my house a few decades ago. 

[MossMan]

54 minutes ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

Looks like a few fires have started on the satellite. 

Yep looks that way. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Climo for today at Silver Falls is 73/44. 

Record High 94 in 1967

Record low 27 in 1970

[TT-SEA]

31 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

30s in outlying areas during the 2nd half of the season would not qualify as frost in the warm season. It's highly typical and was common prior to the past decade. Our average first freeze used to be around September 20th, though now that date has moved back to the middle of October due to climate change. 

Not disagreeing.   But he doesn't have to like every aspect of climo.   You don't like November climo and you certainly don't like our new warm season climo.   

[ShawniganLake]

1 hour ago, Port Angeles Foothiller said:

I like my garden, so the longer a growing season the better. I prefer the first frost to wait till October. Won't be that lucky this year. 90 days between frosts. 

Unlikely it will be a killing frost.  Too much rain this time of year is probably worse for a lot of things in the veggie garden 

[Port Angeles Foothiller]

11 minutes ago, ShawniganLake said:

Unlikely it will be a killing frost.  Too much rain this time of year is probably worse for a lot of things in the veggie garden 

This is probably correct. 

[TT-SEA]

75 at SEA... 80 in North Bend.

Perfect smoke-free blue sky and excellent visibility thanks to the recent rain events.  

[T-Town]

7 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

75 at SEA... 80 in North Bend.

Perfect smoke-free blue sky and excellent visibility thanks to the recent rain events.  

75 here as well. 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

72.9°F here.

[ChrisEl Elyon]

75° here at Eastside Tacoma 

[TigerWoodsLibido]

And we have another one. Took a while but we pulled off another 90F burger.

[Port Angeles Foothiller]

Since I have been talking about it. Garden update. And one orchard shot.

[Port Angeles Foothiller]

Last night’s haul

[GHweatherChris]

6 minutes ago, Port Angeles Foothiller said:

Last night’s haul

The Sequim and PA area has always been a great place for good productive gardens, at least in my lifetime.  My grandparents lived in Gardner for years and every year their garden produced massive amounts of goodies, they would can hundreds of jars of veggies every year and gave alot of it away!!

[Rubus Leucodermis]

29 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

And we have another one. Took a while but we pulled off another 90F burger.

Good chance for another one tomorrow and a fair chance for one Saturday, then you will have to wait for the next heat wave to perhaps score a final one. Don’t think you’ll make it to 35 this year.

[GHweatherChris]

3 hours ago, TT-SEA said:

It was a great garden year for sure.  Sounds awesome.    

You might have a warm-skewed view of gardening here based solely on the last 6 years.  But this probably the new normal so you moved here at the right time.   

Nah, that region has been great for gardens for at least 40 years, see my comment on PA's picture post.

[TT-SEA]

13 minutes ago, Port Angeles Foothiller said:

Last night’s haul

Nice.  

We picked at least a hundred tomatoes this evening and more still coming.   

[TT-SEA]

3 minutes ago, GHweatherChris said:

Nah, that region has been great for gardens for at least 40 years, see my comment on PA's picture post.

Never said it was bad... but definitely different.   Ripe tomatoes and hot peppers are not a given in western WA but becoming easier over the last 15-20 years.

[Port Angeles Foothiller]

5 minutes ago, GHweatherChris said:

The Sequim and PA area has always been a great place for good productive gardens, at least in my lifetime.  My grandparents lived in Gardner for years and every year their garden produced massive amounts of goodies, they would can hundreds of jars of veggies every year and gave alot of it away!!

Sequim and PA are an entirely different world than me at 1000’ they have at least 30 more growing days than I do

[GHweatherChris]

1 minute ago, TT-SEA said:

Never said it was bad... but definitely different.   Ripe tomatoes and hot peppers are not a given in western WA but becoming easier over the last 15-20 years.

I didn't say you said it was bad.  I have so many memories of picking the goods everyday when up there on summer vacations!!

[Port Angeles Foothiller]

5 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Nice.  

We picked at least hundred tomatoes this evening and more still coming.   

Way to rub it in

[Rubus Leucodermis]

Total precip through day 10 on the Euro. Ensemble mean is definitely more generous than the operational, especially for Oregon, but under half an inch spread over 10 days is still pretty dry.

No good signs of an early start to the rainy season this year.

 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

@Front Ranger

August came in #3 all time at Silver Falls. Just a notch behind last year. 

Maximum 1-Month Mean Avg Temperature 
for SILVER CREEK FALLS, OR

Rank, Value, EndingDate, MissingDays
1, 68.6, 1967-08-31, 0
2, 67.0, 2022-08-31, 0
3, 66.9, 2023-08-31, 0
4, 66.4, 1977-08-31, 0
5, 66.4, 2017-08-31, 0
6, 65.8, 1961-08-31, 0
7, 65.3, 2014-08-31, 0
8, 65.1, 1958-08-31, 0
9, 65.0, 2018-08-31, 0
10, 64.9, 2003-08-31, 2

Period of record: 1938-12-01 to 2023-09-04

[SilverFallsAndrew]

21 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Total precip through day 10 on the Euro. Ensemble mean is definitely more generous than the operational, especially for Oregon, but under half an inch spread over 10 days is still pretty dry.

No good signs of an early start to the rainy season this year.

 

This dovetails with the recent CFS. Showing a very warm and dry October. This gives way to a very wet November and December. 

[Snownerd3000]

https://x.com/Climatologist49/status/1702475030909829138?s=20

[TT-SEA]

12 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

This dovetails with the recent CFS. Showing a very warm and dry October. This gives way to a very wet November and December. 

What if the next CFS run is totally different?  Nothing dovetails with the CFS.  It's completely meaningless.   

[SilverFallsAndrew]

3 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

What if the next CFS run is totally different?  Nothing dovetails with the CFS.  It's completely meaningless.   

Me thinks you haven’t been paying attention. 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

26 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

This dovetails with the recent CFS. Showing a very warm and dry October. This gives way to a very wet November and December. 

Deep clown range on a far less reliable model. I am not super-concerned about October yet.

All those Euro maps show is that, as I said, there are no good signs of an early start to the rainy season this year. I said nothing about signs of a late start.

An early start might still might happen; if the tap turns on in the first week of October, that is still earlier than normal. Heck, it might even turn on in late September; hour 240 is pretty clown rangy. But, no good signs of it yet.

[Omegaraptor]

Flooding in Portugal! Not from rain though!

[SilverFallsAndrew]

20 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said:

Flooding in Portugal! Not from rain though!

Would love to go to Portugal someday.